From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > PS The cover to this CD STINKS (it literally smells bad). Anyone else > have > > this problem, or did the previous owner spray some nasty perfume on the > > cover? > > James James James I can put you in touch with a very good therapist to > help > you with your album cover fixation . > As for Goblins there seems to be an underlying problem these days of > people > spending too much time analysing the music instead of just listening . > CHILL > my friend and let it flow. > > Currently listening to TYGER Grrrrrr ! ' Orch ' > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: Gustavo Jobim > That may be true, but how can you say that if you already made yourself >> out to be NOT the type of person who will give an album a few dozen >> listens before deciding whether you really like it or not? Didn't you >> already say something along the lines of your liking music that impresses >> you on the first listen or two? > >Heh, good call! Personally, I sometimes think the best art/music/literature >takes a while to get used to. Take Vincent van Gogh for instance. He died poor, nobody knew his work, and many years after his death he was considered one of the geniuses of the painted art. It happens all the time. gfj np oxygene 13 from oxygen in moscow concert Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim > PS The cover to this CD STINKS (it literally smells bad). Anyone else >have >> this problem, or did the previous owner spray some nasty perfume on the >> cover? > >James James James I can put you in touch with a very good therapist to help >you with your album cover fixation . >As for Goblins there seems to be an underlying problem these days of people >spending too much time analysing the music instead of just listening . CHILL >my friend and let it flow. > >Currently listening to TYGER Grrrrrr ! ' Orch ' Orcs and goblins... Are we trapped in some kind of J.R.R. Tolkien's dimension? :) gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim On music, I always 'just listen' first. Afterwards I think a bit more >critically: what *specifically* I liked and disliked. I don't think it >takes away from the music any. I personally rarely read reviews of music I >haven't heard. So I'd like to think I'm not influencing someone's decision >to buy this one. > >James > >np: something I can't mention, but there's six discs of it and they're >marvelous... Ev'rybody knows what it is, anyway. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'Jared White' From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > > Goblin's Club.............. > > Oh no, dont get me started............ > > I cant belive I actually paid money for that CD. Well, then, why don't you send it to me -- I'd like to give it to a friend who enjoyed it very much when I loaned it to him. Put it to much better use, eh? Goblin's Club has gotta be 1 o' my favorite albums, by any artist. You know, I think I'll leave the list for a bit, it's startin' to get on me nerves. ;) See you all in a few weeks.... Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Vic Rek From: Gustavo Jobim > > Was Ultima Thule officially released? I've never listened to it, but I'm > curious about it because this is a rare one. (Yes, I'm a collector of > things, like coins, money bills, etc) I just happen to have an original Ultima Thule 7' single for sale or swap. The music of UT Pt. 1 sounds like rock, while UT Pt. 2 has the classic TD sound of those days... Vic From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Sep 23, 1999 3:20 am Subject: Re: jaw-dropping TD Jared said: >But then I got Turn of the Tides, and my jaw dropped. Mine, too. But probably not for the same reason yours did. :-) Phil D. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Sep 23, 1999 12:02 pm Subject: Legend boot versus official release Yes, this is what it sais on the cover and disk. The Legend boot was never distributed (except for very few copies) because track 4, Cottage, was accidentally not put onto the CD ! cheers klaus >LEGEND (NOT the official release) >* = Unreleased tracks, taken directly from laserdisc. >(the last two columns are the track number and length from the official >release) > < [ 1.0] 4:56 Is Your Love Strong Enough 1 5:08 > [ 2.0] 1:32 Once Long Ago * > [ 3.0] 2:55 Opening 2 2:55 > [ 4.0] 3:13 Cottage 3 3:23 -- Klaus.Beschorner....Homepage.http://www.online.de/home/tdklaus Drosselweg.6..........................Telephone.+49-7033-45142 D-71120.Grafenau......................Mobile...+49-171-7338969 Germany...............................Fax.......+49-7033-45631 From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Thu Sep 23, 1999 11:04 am Subject: Old CDs for trade With the discussion of what CDs certain members should buy next, I thought now would be a good time to point out that I have CD copies of White Eagle and Hyperborea for trade (or sale). Both are the non-SBM versions. Anyone interested, please contact me off-list. NP : William Orbit - Strange Cargo 3 -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Sep 23, 1999 12:47 pm Subject: Re: D: Zeit In a message dated 22-09-1999 9:34:20 AM EST << Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring. The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. `It is overfull. No more will go in.'. `Like this cup', Nan-in said, `you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?'. Put 'Zeit' instead of 'Zen'. Empty yourself, and go for an ultimate spiritual experience while absorbing 'Zeit'. Music is about sounds. Usually you associate other things with the sounds you hear (most trivial a picture of the instrument). Listening to 'Zeit' I don't. Its pure sound. Best on Vinyl, btw. Armin >> Well put! And certainly more succinct that my hortatory. Goes well with one of my favorites: 'The more you know the less you understand.' From the Tao Te Ching. Phil N. From: Glenn Reinicke From: Radu Narcis Velicescu From: Glenn Reinicke > > Thought this was somewhat amusing after all the Mars Polaris discussions: > > Reuters) - NASA scientists lost contact Thursday with their Mars Climate > Orbiter spacecraft just as it was due to go into orbit around the Red > Planet. NASA officials monitoring the craft said they lost communication > with the unmanned orbiter after it went behind the planet about 5.30 a.m. > > Guess it must have hit a pothole while driving down that Deep Space Highway. > (yeah, I know that was bad ;-) ) This is a different probe, the one where Mars Polaris was the 'soundtrack' is called Mars Polar Lander, this is the Mars Climate Observer - a different beast altogether. The TD sound is still alive on it's way to the red planet... ETA - December 3rd. Radu np-Birmingham '75 - amazing sequencing! From: Gabe Yedid From: Radu Narcis Velicescu > > This is a different probe, the one where Mars Polaris was the 'soundtrack' > is called Mars Polar Lander, this is the Mars Climate Observer - a > different beast altogether. The TD sound is still alive on it's way to > the red planet... ETA - December 3rd. > > Radu That may be, but they'd better be damn careful, or the Polar Lander could go the way of the Climate Observer! Then we'll get a re-issue of Mars Polaris with a new cover, claiming to be a special 'memorial edition'. Or something. Gabe From: 'Craig Chambers' Radu > >np-Birmingham '75 - amazing sequencing! > Where might one get a copy of this 'Birmingham 75'? I am just starting my TD collection of Live stuff and would love to get a copy of this one...I have heard lots about it. I don't have any TD to trade, but I have loads of Pink Floyd and Roger Waters, some Yes and a few others. I also have Roger Waters from Atlanta (8/22/99) which I taped on a DAT recorder which came out EX+ if you would like this. Let me know if you are interested. Thanks. Craig Chambers From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' >> Goblin's Club.............. >> Oh no, dont get me started............ >> I cant belive I actually paid money for that CD. Jared: >Well, then, why don't you send it to me -- I'd like to give it to a friend >who enjoyed it very much when I loaned it to him. Put it to much better use, Actually I like to keep the bad albums as well, it gives more perspective to the general impression of an artist/band. The bad albums are as much important as the good ones (in most cases). thanks for reading, glenn From: Owens James http://www.jimmyhotz.com/photos.htm > James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18018 Re: Paul Haslinger pics Owens James Thu 9/23/1999 1 KB From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > Surfing the net last night and found a site about the 'Hotxbox', some sort > From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Yedid > > > From: Radu Narcis Velicescu > > > > This is a different probe, the one where Mars Polaris was the > 'soundtrack' > > is called Mars Polar Lander, this is the Mars Climate Observer - a > > different beast altogether. The TD sound is still alive on it's way to > > the red planet... ETA - December 3rd. > > > > Radu > > That may be, but they'd better be damn careful, or the Polar Lander could > go the way of the Climate Observer! Then we'll get a re-issue of Mars > Polaris with a new cover, claiming to be a special 'memorial edition'. > Or something. > > From: Gabe Yedid From: Owens James > > Gabe, > > Just for your information, Mars Polar Lander succesfully fired rockets on > September 1 to fine-tune its trajectory. Specific Coordinates have been > chosen for the landing site. Everything is going according to plan. What > makes you think there would be a problem? What made anyone think there WOULDN'T be a problem with the Climate Observer? Didn't they lose track of it just as it was about to enter orbit? > Besides according to JPL, the Climate observer is probably in orbit, it just > failed to re-connect the link to Earth. Well, I'd say that link to Earth is pretty much the most important part of the whole mission, isn't it? What's the point of sending out a probe that can't/won't relay any of its data back to Earth? Aren't certain politicians and lobby groups going to jump all over this and claim it's another colossal waste of taxpayers' money by NASA? (Aren't certain lunatics and pseudoscientists going to claim this is evidence of a hidden Martian civilization that doesn't want to be found?) > James > (The Aerospace Engineer) Gabe who hopes the Polar Lander mission succeeds, but there's never any certainty with these things... From: Glenn Reinicke From: Owens James Besides according to JPL, the Climate observer is probably in orbit, it just failed to re-connect the link to Earth. Doesn't look like it. And as far as them being separate animals, that doesn't seem to be entirely true either. They were going to use the Climate Observer probably as an amplifier or booster for the signals coming from the Polar Lander. [excerpt] Cook said that NASA scientists had expected that the orbiter would approach Mars at an altitude of between 87 and 93 miles (140 and 150 kilometers) when it fact it came in at 37 miles (60 kilometers) above the surface of the planet. He said the minimum survival altitude was 53 miles (85 kilometers). The project's development manager, John McNamee, said, ``We don't believe that (37 miles) is survivable.'' Cook said there was a ``significant drop'' in altitude in the last few hours of the approach to Mars, but the reason for that had not yet been determined. Cook said the probable loss of the climate orbiter would complicate the lander mission, but contingency plans were already in place for the lander to transmit data directly to Earth through the Deep Space Network and via the Mars Global Surveyor. [end of excerpt] >From: Gabe Yedid >Aren't certain politicians and lobby groups going to jump all over this and claim it's another colossal waste of taxpayers' money by NASA? Probably not. But I'm sure the conspiracy pages are being posted as we speak. [excerpt] NASA has launched successfully 20 unmanned deep-space probes in the last two years, including the Mars Pathfinder mission that grabbed the attention and imagination of the world with its little Mars Rover, which sent back thousands of pictures and millions of pieces of information as it examined the surface of the Red Planet. [end of excerpt From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > What made anyone think there WOULDN'T be a problem with the Climate > Observer? Didn't they lose track of it just as it was about to enter > orbit? > > > Besides according to JPL, the Climate observer is probably in orbit, it > just > > failed to re-connect the link to Earth. > > Well, I'd say that link to Earth is pretty much the most important part of > the whole mission, isn't it? What's the point of sending out a probe that > can't/won't relay any of its data back to Earth? > My point here was that as long as the probe didn't burn up, crash land, or go into some strange orbit, there's still a good chance they will be able to re-establish contact. > Aren't certain > politicians and lobby groups going to jump all over this and claim it's > another colossal waste of taxpayers' money by NASA? > Always! This is unfortunate. Most people understand that everything has it's problems. Plus, if you increase quality control, you just make each flight more expensive. The most dangerous part of these kind of missions is launch from Earth. If it makes it through launch it's usually pretty safe. > (Aren't certain lunatics and pseudoscientists going to claim this is > evidence of a hidden Martian civilization that doesn't want to be found?) > Naturally. That was my first thought (wink, wink) > > who hopes the Polar Lander mission succeeds, but there's never any > certainty with these things... > Of course there's no certainty, but they have a higher chance of success than you have of making it to work alive in the morning, and you go anyway... (point being that you can't work out of fear of failure or you'll never get anything done! I just wish the darn government would realize that!) James From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 12:11 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Goblin's Club > From: Gustavo Jobim > > >On music, I always 'just listen' first. Afterwards I think a bit more > >critically: what *specifically* I liked and disliked. I don't think it > >takes away from the music any. I personally rarely read reviews of music I > >haven't heard. So I'd like to think I'm not influencing someone's decision > >to buy this one. > > > >James > > > >np: something I can't mention, but there's six discs of it and they're > >marvelous... > Ev'rybody knows what it is, anyway. I Didn't M8 ' Orch ' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Gabe Yedid From: Owens James > > Okay, you're right, no one was EXPECTING problems with MCO. But I've seen > the kind of testing these spacecraft have to go through. It's phenomenal! And all the testing in the world can't ensure that a probe will behave the way it was designed to--see comment below... > > -----Original Message----- > > What made anyone think there WOULDN'T be a problem with the Climate > > Observer? Didn't they lose track of it just as it was about to enter > > orbit? > > > > > Besides according to JPL, the Climate observer is probably in orbit, it > > just > > > failed to re-connect the link to Earth. > > > > Well, I'd say that link to Earth is pretty much the most important part of > > the whole mission, isn't it? What's the point of sending out a probe that > > can't/won't relay any of its data back to Earth? > > > My point here was that as long as the probe didn't burn up, crash > land, or go into some strange orbit, there's still a good chance they will > be able to re-establish contact. Unfortunately, that seems to be exactly what happened. It went into orbit too low, at an altitude where it probably would have crashed. Now, is that something that the folks at Mission Control actually HAD control over (i.e. did somebody screw up and send it in too low?) > > Aren't certain > > politicians and lobby groups going to jump all over this and claim it's > > another colossal waste of taxpayers' money by NASA? > > > Always! This is unfortunate. Most people understand that > everything has it's problems. Plus, if you increase quality control, you > just make each flight more expensive. The most dangerous part of these kind > of missions is launch from Earth. If it makes it through launch it's > usually pretty safe. Except for the Global Surveyor, NASA's track record with Mars hasn't exactly been stellar (pun intended? maybe ;) ) Think there's any chance they'll find out what happened to the Viking landers (remember them?)? > > (Aren't certain lunatics and pseudoscientists going to claim this is > > evidence of a hidden Martian civilization that doesn't want to be found?) > > > Naturally. That was my first thought (wink, wink) We're obviously not the only ones who think this way...right Glenn (R)? ;) > > who hopes the Polar Lander mission succeeds, but there's never any > > certainty with these things... > > > Of course there's no certainty, but they have a higher chance of > success than you have of making it to work alive in the morning, and you go > anyway... > (point being that you can't work out of fear of failure or you'll > never get anything done! I just wish the darn government would realize > that!) You're in favour of a manned mission soon, aren't you? ;) To get this back on topic: I bet Edgar hopes that the mission succeeds. If Mars Polaris will in fact be his last album with TD, I don't think he'd like the irony that it was a tribute to a failed mission. > James Gabe From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > I just had this really radical idea ! > > Why don't we just put all the money World Governments waste sending small > expensive toys to far and distant worlds,to see if perhaps three or four > million years ago some sort of weird kinda life form took a piss behind some > rock. To pay for a non stop World tour for TD. It's about time somebody redid the Philadelphia Experiment. ;) Um...with the amount of money that would be poured into this project, how would that generate any revenue to pay for a TD tour...? > Currently seeking HELP ' Orch ' Been into some of that homemade hooch again, eh? Gabe From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 4:13 am Subject: Re: Mars Again: II In a message dated 22-09-1999 5:31:23 PM EST, jwhite@s... writes: << > That may be true, but how can you say that if you already made yourself > out to be NOT the type of person who will give an album a few dozen > listens before deciding whether you really like it or not? Didn't you > already say something along the lines of your liking music that impresses > you on the first listen or two? Heh, good call! Personally, I sometimes think the best art/music/literature takes a while to get used to. >> Very true. Some of Stravinsky's premier works almost caused near rioting by the audience. Talk about BAD reviews. Opinions today could not be more reversed. Fifty years from now when I am comfortably at rest in the confines of my coffin or perhaps recycled in a can of dog food, I suppose it's possible that the artistic vangard quality of Ambient Monkeys will be the most significant music creation of the Ancient Music Ensemble know as Tangerine Dream. Phil N. ( Live Wrong and Prosper ) From: 'Heiko Heerßen' >Radu > > > >np-Birmingham '75 - amazing sequencing! You mean Birmingham October 12? Right you are, amazing sequencing! I heard it yesterday while working in the office. But to me still the best is Berlin 27 June 1976 (this is going to be officially released as Soundmill Navigator). This is really one of the best pieces ever made (and not only for TD) I can only hope that Edgar & Jerome won't put too much effort into the remixing like they did on Sohoman. Heiko n.p.: Edgar Froese - Brandmale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18032 Re: Birmingham 75 Gabe Yedid Fri 9/24/1999 1 KB From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 7:49 am Subject: D:Studio [Zeit] Zeit [1972] Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Steve Schroyder, Florian Fricke, C. Vallbracht, J. von Grumbcow, H. J. Bruene, J. Luecke Birth of Liquid Plejades Nebulous Dawn Origin of Supernatural Probabilities Zeit Lawry, I want a word with you! Get the old Country and Western music out, cos 'My wife's left me, she's taken the kid, the goldfish has died and I'm blue The weather was wet, the TV broke down, there's no food in the house, and I've started sniffing glue Why did you force me? I had to listen to Zeit And now that I've done so, my life's turned out sh*te' Despite my well-known and oft-broadcast dislike for Rockoon, it is truly Zeit that gets fewest plays in my house. I've never been a big fan of dark ambient / true space music and the only reason this is still in my collection is because it's TD. Looking for the good points, the opening minutes of the album are interesting : one wonders of the Cologne Cello Quartett [sic] had/have been asked to perform such material before/since. The overall effect - the multi-layered-sounding tones and the morphing background - is quite hypnotic and a little disturbing. But after seven minutes that strong sound fades and we are left with a variety of droning dirges that continue, more or less undisturbed, for the remainder of the album. Without paying very close attention it is difficult to spot the change of tracks - perhaps intentional in this piece with four Movements. However, my dislike for the 'music' and atmosphere presented on this album does not alter my appreciation of its importance. It was the first album to feature what would become the group's first (relatively) stable line-up and undeniably continued the trend of experimentation and boundary-pushing already in evidence from Electronic Meditation and Alpha Centauri. I feel that this was another step on the road toward the perfection for which they were (and possibly still are?) striving. A singular diversion down the road of dark ambience which they felt led to a cul-de-sac requiring them to reverse out to a slightly different neighbourhood for the next outing, Atem. It is only the historic importance of this album that forces me to give this a 2AS. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18058 Re: D:Studio [Zeit] Lawry Simm Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB From: PENFOLD From: Gabe Yedid > >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: >> Currently seeking HELP ' Orch ' > >Been into some of that homemade hooch again, eh? Sounds like he took his first gulp of Spock Mountain Research Lab's infamous HyperWhiskey Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 11:22 am Subject: hELLO, I've a question, does anybody knows Adelbert von Deyen ? He made a couple of LP's at the Sky label. in the genre of Klaus Schulze ( IRRLICHT, BLACKDANCE), Tangerine Dream (ZEIT) I wonder which albums he had made, what were their names , and is he still around ? hope you can help me. Greetings Bert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18260 (no subject) Michael A. Jean Thu 10/7/1999 1 KB 18430 (no subject) Michael A. Jean Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB 19486 (no subject) Armin Theissen Tue 11/30/1999 1 KB 19658 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 2 KB 19659 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19660 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19661 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 2 KB 19662 (no subject) Steven Feldman Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19663 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid Heiko > > > n.p.: Edgar Froese - Brandmale And just when I thought I knew it all... Where does this one come from? Gabe From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Hi >From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > >I've a question, does anybody knows Adelbert von Deyen ? >He made a couple of LP's at the Sky label. in the genre of Klaus Schulze ( >IRRLICHT, BLACKDANCE), Tangerine Dream (ZEIT) >I wonder which albums he had made, what were their names , and is he still >around ? > I bought two LPs y Adelbert Van Deyen i don't know if there are some other albums. - Atmospheres (very KS Timewind style) - Mond Borg (more like Moodawn style) I never heard (or saw) other releases by him. In early 80's some pieces from these LPs were broadcasted on a French radio in Toulouse but that's all. If there are some other titles from him i hope somone could help us Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18034 Re: Micke Fri 9/24/1999 2 KB 18431 Re: Marcel Engels Sun 10/17/1999 2 KB 19487 Re: patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Tue 11/30/1999 2 KB 19498 Re: Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 11/30/1999 1 KB From: 'Micke' To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: [tadream] > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > hELLO, > > I've a question, does anybody knows Adelbert von Deyen ? > He made a couple of LP's at the Sky label. in the genre of Klaus Schulze ( > IRRLICHT, BLACKDANCE), Tangerine Dream (ZEIT) > I wonder which albums he had made, what were their names , and is he still > around ? > > hope you can help me. > > Greetings > Bert > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > n.p.: Edgar Froese - Brandmale > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18097 Re: Brandmale? Heiko Heerßen Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim hELLO, > >I've a question, does anybody knows Adelbert von Deyen ? >He made a couple of LP's at the Sky label. in the genre of Klaus Schulze ( >IRRLICHT, BLACKDANCE), Tangerine Dream (ZEIT) >I wonder which albums he had made, what were their names , and is he still >around ? > >hope you can help me. > >Greetings >Bert Have you tried the All music guide website? I think the URL is http://www.allmusicguide.com , or maybe http://www.amg.com gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18101 Re: Adelbert von Deyen Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB From: Glenn Reinicke From: 'Craig Chambers' From: Christian Villazón I was just listening to this one again (it has been a while) and just wanted to comment that this has some of Klaus Krieger's best drumming work. The dude is phenomenal...maybe not a Harold Grobkopf in his ability to stretch a motif for 30 minutes without missing a beat, but very nice nonetheless. Being from '78, this CD is the perfect complement to Force Majeure and rivals it as, what I like to think, is TDs most progressive 'rock' album. These are tasty morsels indeed. Tropic of Capricorn is classic TD flavor sequencer/synth heaven with a nice melody too! Actually, the whole album is pretty good stuff and with the addition of some of CF's driving rhythms could have easily been a TD release. Well, I guess it is a TD release, since it is 2/3 of the group...Imagine what this could have been with CF's imput. Oh man...has anyone ever listened to 'Pizarro and Atahuallpa' and compared it to the chugging 'train' rhythm sequence from Trans-Siberia. Except this one, I believe, is played on hand drums by mr. Krieger! Amazing similarity here...talk about recycling... Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18040 Re: RV: EF's Ages Nick adams Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB From: Nick adams Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59 am Subject: Re: RV: EF's Ages > From: Christian Villazón > > > Where is 'Pizarro and Atahuallpa'? > It is on Edgar Froeses solo album ''Ages'' well it's on the LP anyway, not sure about the cd. On another note, has everyone migrated over here from the old list now then ?.....i havent heard from dell for a while, or Lars. Nick home nicad@c... work nick.adams@p... From: Owens James Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 9:47 pm Subject: Dell and Lars Dell hasn't sent me any jokes lately. I think she's on vacation of something. Not sure about Lars... > -----Original Message----- > On another note, has everyone migrated over here from the old list now > then ?.....i havent heard from dell for a while, or Lars. > > From: Glenn Reinicke Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 10:28 pm Subject: For sale Current CD's for sale. Tangerine Dream - S/T (excerpts from Phaedra, Rubycon, and Stratosfear) Peter Benisch - Waiting for Snow John Foxx - Cathedral Oceans Ash Ra Tempel - New Age of Earth $10 each with $2 shipping inside the $US. (sorry if you're getting this multiple times) Glenn Reinicke glennr@f... From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 10:22 pm Subject: A TD movie Hey, As of this moment, a movie with TD soundtrack is being broadcast on TVNorge in Norway. Its about a group of German soldiers, directed by Michael Mann. I cant find the movie's orignal title anywere. What is it? Thanks for reading, glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18044 Re: A TD movie Marcel Engels Fri 9/24/1999 1 KB 18089 Re: A TD movie Richard Ford Sun 9/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 10:50 pm Subject: Re: A TD movie > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > > Hey, > > As of this moment, a movie with TD soundtrack is being broadcast on TVNorge in Norway. Its about a group of German soldiers, directed by Michael Mann. I cant find the movie's orignal title anywere. What is it? Ask Steven Feldman for the title and he will say The Keep... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Molasar's Revenge, or Montezuma's Revenge? >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:50:22 +0200 >Subject: Re: [tadream] A TD movie >From: tadream@o... >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >> From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' >> >> As of this moment, a movie with TD soundtrack is being broadcast on >TVNorge in Norway. Its about a group of German soldiers, directed by >Michael Mann. [. . .] Huh? A movie where Michael Mann is seen commanding a squadron of soldiers?!? >[. . .] I cant find the movie's orignal title anywere. What is it? Dunno. Sounds like a documentary of Michael's time in the Army. >Ask Steven Feldman for the title and he will say The Keep... Oh, so you meant, 'the *movie* is about a group of German soldiers, and was directed by Michael Mann.' Silly me. ;) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've Been Warned) >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:20:56 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris (crash and burn) >From: tadream@o... >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >(Aren't certain lunatics and pseudoscientists going to claim this is >evidence of a hidden Martian civilization that doesn't want to be found?) Yes, but level-headed new paradigm thinkers will recognize that since the presence of a Martian civilization has not been *dis*proven, it is not altogether ludicrous to suggest that such might exist. I would argue that some scientists don't deserve to be taken seriously on account of their automatically throwing out the baby with the bathwater when certain data don't jibe conveniently with status quo 'wisdom' (read consensus reality). Just because a scientist is haughty, arrogant, and has the entire scientific community to back up his or her spineless heckling doesn't make him or her correct. In fact, no one of any importance ever accomplished anything significant by being a good sycophant and towing the line without questioning deepseated preconceptions. A lot of people found many of Nikolai Tesla's theories nutty, impractical, and irrelevant to science as mankind then knew it because almost no one was on his level -- and we all know what happens when someone thinks up something revolutionary that can't be proven, don't we? For about 15 years, now, remote viewers have claimed that there are Martians below the planet's surface, and in New Mexico on our very own planet. Granted, no one's proven it publicly, but no one's *disproven* it, either. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the univestigated.' --Stanton Friedman (nuclear physicist and UFO researcher) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18047 Re: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've B Owens James Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB 18049 Re: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've B Greg Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB 18051 Re: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've B Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB From: Owens James Date: Fri Sep 24, 1999 11:50 pm Subject: RE: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've Been Warned) On a similar topic (totally off topic from TD) is the reverse speech web page: htpp://www.reversespeech.com This page claims that while you're speaking forward, your subconcious forms the word so that when they are reversed they say what you're REALLY thinking. Anyway, some clips from an Art Bell radio show where Bell is interviewing some NASA guys about the 'Face on Mars' and the supposed Martian Ruins popularly called Cydonia. One of the guys is talking about how the Hubble space telescope doesn't have the resolution to check these things out. Reversed it says: 'We're involved at Cydonia' !!!! Later on another reversal says 'There's ships and men there' !!!! Take it for what you will... > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman > > For about 15 years, now, remote viewers have claimed that there > are Martians below the planet's surface, and in New Mexico on our very > own planet. Granted, no one's proven it publicly, but no one's > *disproven* it, either. > From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 12:16 am Subject: Pyramids HoHo I just wander if Td did a concert at the pyramids in egypt, and if it was recorded. A friend of mine said he saw som concert and it had a pyramid in the back So did they, and most important, can i get my hands on that one ????? Thanks Totta Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18054 Re: Pyramids Vic Rek Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18056 Re: Pyramids Synthhtnys@a... Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18064 Re: Pyramids Gabe Yedid Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18068 Re: Pyramids Gustavo Jobim Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18076 Re: Pyramids Vic Rek Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18079 Re: Pyramids Gustavo Jobim Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 12:28 am Subject: Re: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've Been Warned) > From: Steven Feldman > For about 15 years, now, remote viewers have claimed that there > are Martians below the planet's surface, and in New Mexico on our very > own planet. Granted, no one's proven it publicly, but no one's > *disproven* it, either. > > -- Steven Feldman Hey Steve, would this be the same guy that remote viewed a giant cubical alien ship larger than Earth following the Hale-Bopp comet that came to pass a few years ago? When this story broke, the California based Heaven's Gate group commited suicide in prediction of finding God at the exact day Hale Bopp was cloest to Earth in hopes to live their afterlife on this ship. Yes I heard all about that and I figure after one too many Zeit sessions, your mind will start to create more interesting things more apt for the loony bin! Do I think the U.S. government would let us know if there were extraterestrials? No. Do I think Scientists have a shallow mind on the subject? Yes. I think there is a good argument that certain UFOs seen in the sky have certain abilities that do not fit our current technical achievement. Greg H. From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:28:55 -0700 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant > (You've Been Warned) >From: tadream@o... >Really-From: 'Greg' > >>From: Steven Feldman > >> For about 15 years, now, remote viewers have claimed that there >>are Martians below the planet's surface, and in New Mexico on our very >>own planet. Granted, no one's proven it publicly, but no one's >>*disproven* it, either. >> >> -- Steven Feldman > >Hey Steve, would this be the same guy that remote viewed a giant cubical >alien ship larger than Earth following the Hale-Bopp comet that came to >pass a few years ago? He's only the most infamous, namely Courtney Brown, who wrote the book, COSMIC VOYAGE -- a whopper of channeling about Greys and martians. Others had been doing so for a decade before Brown signed up for a class with Ed Dames' Psi Tech remote viewing institute. >When this story broke, the California based Heaven's Gate group commited >suicide in prediction of finding God at the exact day Hale Bopp was >cloest to Earth in hopes to live their afterlife on this ship. Yes I >heard all about that and I figure after one too many Zeit sessions, >your mind will start to create more interesting things more apt for the >loony bin! I know quite a few occultists who don't find what happened re Applewhite's flock amusing, pathetic, nor a waste. They died for what they believed in and did so willingly without physically harming anyone else. That's more than I can say for a lot of people. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18052 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness PNaunton@a... Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB 18053 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Jim Moore Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18055 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Marcel Engels Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18062 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB 18063 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Marcel Engels Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB 18066 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Gustavo Jobim Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB 18072 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Joe Shoults Sat 9/25/1999 3 KB 18073 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Joe Shoults Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18086 Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Marcel Engels Sun 9/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 1:04 am Subject: Re: Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've Been Warned) ----- Original Message ----- From: Owens James To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 12:50 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Strange Accidents Near Mars: a Rant (You've Been Warned) > From: Owens James > NASA guys about the 'Face on Mars' and the supposed Martian Ruins > popularly called Cydonia. Bloody vandals get everywhere. ' ORCH ' THIS AINT ROCK AND ROLL THIS IS GENOCIDE From: PNaunton@a... Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 1:52 am Subject: Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness In a message dated 24-09-1999 7:43:30 PM EST, AR402004@B... writes: << I know quite a few occultists who don't find what happened re Applewhite's flock amusing, pathetic, nor a waste. They died for what they believed in and did so willingly without physically harming anyone else. That's more than I can say for a lot of people. -- Steven Feldman >> Sounds vaguely like the early Christians and many millions of Jews. The dieing part at least, and the believing part as well, of course. Regardless, I think you might find that there is only a very small minority of people who actually do NOT want to die and will agressively persue their survival beliefs through the priviledge of harming others. They are called lunatics. Sometimes they are called anti-abortionists. Phil N. N.P. In Slaughter Natives Up Next - - Throbbing Gristle From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 1:59 am Subject: RE: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness > Regardless, I think you might find that there is only a >very small >minority of people who actually do NOT want to die and will agressively >persue their survival beliefs through the priviledge of harming >others. They >are called lunatics. Sometimes they are called anti-abortionists. Thanks for that *wonderful* insight... Now can we get back to the subject of music? SHEESH! - jim Now Playing: Vangelis - THE CITY ============================================== 'You're not dying -- you just can't think of anything good to do!' -- Ferris Bueller's Day Off jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 2:31 am Subject: Re: Pyramids > From: Totta Rydqvist > > I just wander if Td did a concert at the pyramids in egypt, and if it > was recorded. > A friend of mine said he saw som concert and it had a pyramid in the > back > So did they, and most important, can i get my hands on that one ????? As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 8:12 am Subject: Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness > From: 'Jim Moore' > > Thanks for that *wonderful* insight... Now can we get back to the > subject of music? > > SHEESH! Exactly! I don't care much about the Mars Polaroid :-) or whatever... At least not on this list. Let's get back to the weekly discussions about the albums and other music-things. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 10:02 am Subject: Re: Pyramids In a message dated 9/25/99 2:17:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!, torque19@i... writes: << As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic >> * After the Rhiems catastrophe? not likely. Poly From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 10:19 am Subject: Re: Back on Target. In a message dated 9/25/99 8:10:33 AM !!!First Boot!!!, fsp@w... writes: << Let's get back to the weekly discussions about the albums and other music-things. >> *Hear, Hear. Since we've been discussing the old albums... I've really aquired a taste for some albums (Zeit) That I didn't have before, though it still doesn't rank real high in what I reach for in day to day CD rotation. In the 'Yeah, but what if it wasn't TD'? line of questioning, I probably wouldn't have given them as much slack, (Not so with Phaedra onward.) which leads to the question what if the first three albums were all we had.... Think of all the possible musics lost from musicians who weren't given the chance to expand and explore like TD were. Oops, I wandered right back into metaphysical land. I kept it to TD though! Poly From: 'Lawry Simm' It is only the historic importance of this album that forces me to give this a > 2AS. Damn, that's generous... even on the Armin scale.... From: cosmos From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 10:59 am Subject: Re: Re: np: in slaughter natives / throbbing gristle In a message dated 9/25/99 10:53:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, cosmos@c... writes: << in some records of nww and current 93 there is space music included. more for the adventurous tangerine dream listener. andre >> *The adventurous TD fan who also knows who Crowley is. Have you listened to Chris and Cosey or Psychik TV? (Throbbing Gristle offshoots.) Poly From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' Huh? A movie where Michael Mann is seen commanding a squadron of >soldiers?!? LOL, heheh, that was not exactly my meaning...... It was 'the Keep', as some of you so exactly pointed out. Thanks! kind regards, glenn From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > From: 'Jim Moore' > > > > Thanks for that *wonderful* insight... Now can we get back to the > > subject of music? > > > > SHEESH! > > Exactly! > I don't care much about the Mars Polaroid :-) or whatever... > At least not on this list. > Let's get back to the weekly discussions about the albums and other > music-things. > oH GOODY GOODY next week we can talk about a-b and the week after c-d but god forbid we talk about anything that is not in the curiculum. YAWN YAWN . The list is starting to become more like a school lesson ,lets do this one week ,lets do that next week . Can I sugest we are loosing the original point again and all the new members who don't like the format go start your own . In a Bad Mood ' Orch ' ' Orch ' From: 'Marcel Engels' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > oH GOODY GOODY next week we can talk about a-b and the week after c-d but > god forbid we talk about anything that is not in the curiculum. > YAWN YAWN . The list is starting to become more like a school lesson ,lets > do this one week ,lets do that next week . Can I sugest we are loosing the > original point again and all the new members who don't like the format go > start your own . > > In a Bad Mood ' Orch ' > ' Orch ' Hmmm then maybe this is not the list for me... I like it when it's not all TD et all...but personally I don't like it when there are quite some messages off-topic. Maybe it's not my day too (well, make it a month)...:-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Gabe Yedid As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. > I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in > Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic Um, aren't they still banned from playing Catholic venues? Not the same pope, doubt he'd remember the proscription... but only he can rescind it. Gabe From: Gabe Yedid > > > > >np: something I can't mention, but there's six discs of it and they're > > >marvelous... > > Ev'rybody knows what it is, anyway. > > I Didn't M8 ' Orch ' Come join us on tangerinedream and we shall show you the light...bringing you out for a little dream cruise. ;) Gabe From: Gustavo Jobim > > Thanks for that *wonderful* insight... Now can we get back to the >> > subject of music? >> > >> > SHEESH! >> >> Exactly! >> I don't care much about the Mars Polaroid :-) or whatever... >> At least not on this list. >> Let's get back to the weekly discussions about the albums and other >> music-things. >> >oH GOODY GOODY next week we can talk about a-b and the week after c-d but >god forbid we talk about anything that is not in the curiculum. >YAWN YAWN . The list is starting to become more like a school lesson ,lets >do this one week ,lets do that next week . Can I sugest we are loosing the >original point again and all the new members who don't like the format go >start your own . > >In a Bad Mood ' Orch ' I agree w. u, Orch. Anybody who doesn't want to talk about these kind of subjects ('Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness'), or simply doesn't have anything to add, like myself, just don't do it. Read the mail and delete it. Unless you're using webmail... Then it's a waste of time. I used to have a Hotmail mail, and when I started to subscribe to mailing lists I just had to download Eudora and make a new mail from my provider. gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim > It is only the historic importance of this album that forces me to >give this a >> 2AS. > >Damn, that's generous... even on the Armin scale.... Sorry, but I can't understand this 'Armin scale'. What is 2AS? Is it like 2 points, being 5 the maximum point? Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18100 Re: D:Studio [Zeit] (Armin scale) craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB 18108 Re: D:Studio [Zeit] (Armin scale) Gustavo Jobim Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB 18119 Re: D:Studio [Zeit] (Armin scale) craig.cordrey@g... Tue 9/28/1999 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim > As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. >> I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in >> Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic > >Um, aren't they still banned from playing Catholic venues? Banned ?! Why ? gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'Thomas' From: Gustavo Jobim > >>> As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. >>> I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in >>> Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic >> >>Um, aren't they still banned from playing Catholic venues? > >Banned ?! Why ? > >gfj They played Rheims Cathedral once a long time ago, and they literally crammed the place with people, three times as many as the hall could take. The bathroom situation got (quite understandbly) out of hand and people took care of their needs in places not suitable for any place, even less suitable in a Catholic venue. So the Pope banned them from performing in any such place for all time. Sad, but true, and also a bit clumpsy. But that's the story as far as I remember it. (If I'm wrong please correct me). Thomas From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 5:42 pm Subject: Poland What is said at the beginnig of Poland, from Poland? I could only understand '...konzert....Chris Franks, Johannes Schmoelling, .... Edgar Froese... Tangerine Dream!' gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33310 Poland Morgan Feldon Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 34021 Poland Morgan Feldon Fri 5/17/2002 4 KB 34041 Re: Poland Mark Filipak Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB 38652 Poland Administrator dale1kay Fri 1/31/2003 2 KB 38670 Re: Poland Andrew flyingfish1uk Sat 2/1/2003 3 KB 38678 Re: Poland dreamsector dreamsector Sat 2/1/2003 2 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 5:52 pm Subject: SV: Poland >From: Gustavo Jobim > >What is said at the beginnig of Poland, from Poland? I could only >understand '...konzert....Chris Franks, Johannes Schmoelling, .... Edgar >Froese... Tangerine Dream!' > >gfj Gustavo, this message was posted here on the onelist not so long ago, as an answer to when you asked the same question back then. Maybe you didn't read it!? Here it is: -----------------------Old message------------------------------------- From: Stephen Yensen Gustavo Ferreira Jobim said: << One question: What's said on the presentation of the band, at the beginning of Poland? I could only understand 'Konzert', and 'Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling, ???? Edgar Froese. ???? Tangerine Dream.') >> If someone has already answered this, then please accept my apologies: 'Dobry wieczór. Polska Agencja Artystyczna PAGART i Panstwowe Przedsiebiorstwo Imprez Artystycznych IMPART zapraszaja Panstwa na koncert zespolu, bedacego wspóltwórca gatunku muzyki, okreslanej jako rock elektroniczny (...) Przed Panstwem Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling i Edgar Froese, czyli Tangerine Dream.' 'Good evening. State artistic agency PAGART and State Entertainment Enterprises IMPART invites You to to a concert of a group, being one of the creators of the style, called electronic rock. (...) Before You: Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling and Edgar Froese - or Tangerine Dream.' Thanks to Marek the Alienist (is he on this list?) Cheers, Steve. -------------------------------end old message--------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18078 Re: SV: Poland Gustavo Jobim Sat 9/25/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 6:45 pm Subject: RE: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Your listowner here. Marcel, please hang tight. This is not the normal tenor of the list, and it is getting a little off track. This might be the part where I get called 'List Police', or a 'List Nazi', but so be it. Most people here know that I don't normally step in on off-topic meanderings, or I handle things off-list. But when people begin to misconceive the purpose of this list because of inappropriate posts, it calls for a public missive. There is a nifty feature of this list that we as list moderators have up until now chosen not to utilize. It is the ability to automatically place new list members and/or individuals, instead of the entire list, on 'moderated' status until changed by a moderator. The obvious advantage to this is that it allows time for 'newbies' to become conversant with the list and the rules of netiquette as they apply to staying on topic, baiting, trolling, flaming, whining, spamming, etc. Things have been pretty smooth here, so we haven't implemented this feature yet. I'd like to keep it that way. As this list continues to grow, off-topic meanderings will become a more attendant issue. Just please remember that your posts are irretrievable, and go all over the world. A rule of thumb for carpenters is 'Measure twice; cut once'. Applying this principle to mailing list participation is good advice as well. If that is not enough, the mature thing to do is to take a break. You can switch your mail off without unsubscribing at onelist.com. Or you can leave altogether; it's up to you. Lastly, Lawry deserves tremendous kudos for his efforts to coordinate the weekly album discussions, and everybody here benefits from the fruit of his efforts. Disrespecting him or his efforts is rude. If you don't like the weekly discussions, don't participate, but try not to piss in the pool for the rest of us. Thank you, Joe Shoults From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 6:58 pm Subject: RE: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness ...and to clarify further: Don't assume that you can only stay on this or that topic. There are no rules here except netiquette and trading boots on-list. Off-topic forays can be entertaining, as well as informative, but there is a gray area wherein the limit lies, and it is up to oneself to know when it is approaching. I'm not asking for everyone to stay on-topic 100%. But use judgement with every post, not every thread. Thanks; I'll shut up now. -Joe From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 8:30 pm Subject: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Hello everyone. I'm listening to 'Beyond the Storm' by Edgar Froese at the moment. I bought it when it was released, but havn't paid it much attention ever since then. I always thought the original versions were better, but I'm starting to appreciate it more and more. When I look at the tracklisting and compare it to the originals there is one immediate questionmark: * The re-mastered (and reworked) tracks of the album are as far as I understand supposed to be available on previously released albums. Then what albums do the tracks 'Carneol' (CD1) and 'Metropolis' (CD2) come from? I can't find them anywhere. I'm of course assuming that 'Aqua', 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', 'Macula Transfer', 'Ages', 'Stuntman', 'Solo 1974-1979', 'Kamikaze 1989' and 'Pinnacles' are all the solo albums available with mr.Froese. Can anyone help me? Thanks beforehand Thomas Bertilsson Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18077 Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question KMu9978842@a... Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 18082 Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Gabe Yedid Sun 9/26/1999 2 KB 18083 Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Victor Rek Sun 9/26/1999 1 KB 18090 Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Gabe Yedid Sun 9/26/1999 1 KB 18091 Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Victor Rek Sun 9/26/1999 1 KB 18104 Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Mon 9/27/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Goblin's Club ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Yedid To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Goblin's Club > From: Gabe Yedid > > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: > > > > > > > > >np: something I can't mention, but there's six discs of it and they're > > > >marvelous... > > > Ev'rybody knows what it is, anyway. > > > > I Didn't M8 ' Orch ' > > Come join us on tangerinedream and we shall show you the light...bringing > you out for a little dream cruise. ;) HI GABE , I MIGHT JUST DO THAT MY FRIEND. ' Orch ' From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Pyramids > From: Gabe Yedid > > As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. > > I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in > > Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic > > Um, aren't they still banned from playing Catholic venues? > Not the same pope, doubt he'd remember the proscription... > but only he can rescind it. I forgot about this, heheh. Doesn't the Catholic religion preach forgiveness? Anyway, I'm Polish, so I think I'll drop my Pope a line and have this changed. Vic NP: Reims Cathedral (VF 74-08) From: KMu9978842@a... Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Froese: Beyond the Storm question In einer eMail vom 25/09/99 22:30:13 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt t.h.o.m.a.s@t...: << 'Carneol' (CD1) and 'Metropolis' (CD2) come from? Well, Metropolis is the first track on Ages, on both the CD and LP....... off the top of my head I can't, right now, place Carneol....... bet someone else will by the time this arrives.......... Kelvin From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 10:29 pm Subject: Re: SV: Poland >>What is said at the beginnig of Poland, from Poland? I could only >>understand '...konzert....Chris Franks, Johannes Schmoelling, .... Edgar >>Froese... Tangerine Dream!' >> >>gfj > > >Gustavo, > >this message was posted here on the onelist not so long ago, as an answer to when you asked the same question back then. Maybe you didn't read it!? Yes this is true, but I didn't read ant answer... Maybe it was answered on tangerinedream list, but I wasn't on this list then. > >Here it is: > >-----------------------Old message------------------------------------- >From: Stephen Yensen > >Gustavo Ferreira Jobim said: ><< >One question: What's said on the presentation of the band, at the beginning >of Poland? I could only understand 'Konzert', and 'Chris Franke, Johannes >Schmoelling, ???? Edgar Froese. ???? Tangerine Dream.') >>> > >If someone has already answered this, then please accept my apologies: > >'Dobry wieczór. Polska Agencja Artystyczna PAGART i Panstwowe >Przedsiebiorstwo Imprez Artystycznych IMPART zapraszaja Panstwa na koncert >zespolu, bedacego wspóltwórca gatunku muzyki, okreslanej jako rock >elektroniczny (...) Przed Panstwem Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling i >Edgar Froese, czyli Tangerine Dream.' > >'Good evening. State artistic agency PAGART and State Entertainment >Enterprises IMPART invites You to to a concert of a group, being one of the >creators of the style, called electronic rock. (...) Before You: Chris >Franke, Johannes Schmoelling and Edgar Froese - or Tangerine Dream.' > >Thanks to Marek the Alienist (is he on this list?) Oh I see... Thanks a lot! Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Pyramids >> > As far as I know, TD never held a concert in Egypt. >> > I actually wish they could someday play at St. Peter's Bascillica in >> > Rome - that would be the greatest achievement IMO. Vic >> >> Um, aren't they still banned from playing Catholic venues? >> Not the same pope, doubt he'd remember the proscription... >> but only he can rescind it. > >I forgot about this, heheh. Doesn't the Catholic religion preach >forgiveness? >Anyway, I'm Polish, so I think I'll drop my Pope a line and have this >changed. > >Vic Maybe Mr. Wojtyla (aka JP², the pope) should forgive TD and allow them to do a concert in Rio's Metropolitan Cathedral. It's like a pyramid, and it seems ugly outside, but when you enter there, you see wonderful vitrals (is this word correct?), you know, the painted glass panels, and the cathedral is HUGE from the inside. It certainly would be a great concert. I can send a photo (jpg) of the cathedral if anyone wants to see what it is like. gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 10:59 pm Subject: Absent Friends > On another note, has everyone migrated over here from the old list now then ?.....I haven't heard from dell for a while, or Lars. Dell tells me that she is taking a short break before putting in an appearance here... Lars was either moving homes or moving jobs or something, and said he would be off list for a short while. I hope they both make it here though.... Lawry From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Sep 25, 1999 11:07 pm Subject: Discussion Week 5 - Sunday 26th September 1999 This weeks discussion brings us to the 1973 Album 'Atem'. Share your thoughts, view, comments and reviews with the mailing list. Please make your subject header read 'D:Studio [Atem]' when replying. Regards, Lawry PS - We're getting a good response to the actual discussion (ave. 20 replies per week) but I think we need more response t othe discussion about 'The discussions'... lets have some more thoughts on how they should proceed. Thanks Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18085 Re: Discussion Week 5 - Sunday 26th September 199 Nick Adams Sun 9/26/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: KMu9978842@a... > > In einer eMail vom 25/09/99 22:30:13 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt > t.h.o.m.a.s@t...: > > << 'Carneol' (CD1) and 'Metropolis' (CD2) come from? > > Well, Metropolis is the first track on Ages, on both the CD and LP....... off > the top of my head I can't, right now, place Carneol....... bet someone else > will by the time this arrives.......... > > Kelvin 'Carneol' is a new track, previously unreleased. It does have a generic early '80s feel to it, despite the modern synth sounds used. I'd place its roots between '79 and '81, but I could, of course, be wrong. So, Heiko, what's the deal with this Edgar Froese piece 'Brandmale' that only you seem to have heard of? Is this an alternate name for 'Sobornost'? Or are you smoking something special that you aren't sharing with us? ;) Gabe From: Victor Rek So, Heiko, what's the deal with this Edgar Froese piece 'Brandmale' that > only you seem to have heard of? Is this an alternate name for > 'Sobornost'? > Or are you smoking something special that you aren't sharing with us? ;) Brandmale does exist and it is from a soundtrack (not Sobotnost). There is some dialogue on the CD-R with some music from another band I think. There definitely is some new original Edgar Froese music. Vic From: Christopher Robbin > It was in December of 74, the 12th, I think. You left out the part about how an exorcism was requested to purify the place. I understand that the locals were also upset about the excessive use of drugs by the audience. Curiously, despite the total state of chaos, the bootleg from the performance reveals they played a really awesome show. This is another one Edgar should think about releasing (of course he won't, and certainly not without tampering with it). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18087 Re: Rheims disaster Jonathan Teague Sun 9/26/1999 2 KB 18096 Re: Rheims disaster teiwaz _ Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB From: 'Nick Adams' From: 'Lawry Simm' > > PS - We're getting a good response to the actual discussion (ave. 20 > replies per week) but I think we need more response t othe discussion > about 'The discussions'... lets have some more thoughts on how they > should proceed. IMO all the TD official albums, and soundtracks should be discussed, then when we reach up to the present day album whatever that may be, we should then proceed discussing the solo albums....just my thoughts on the subject. Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Marcel Engels' From: 'Joe Shoults' > > Marcel, please hang tight. This is not the normal tenor of the list, and it > is getting a little off track. I'll be around... I just need to delete quite a few messages. But thats also very 'dangerous' because it could well be that there is some important notes below/under the message etc... But it's inevitable to have off-topics... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Jonathan Teague' To: Sent: 26 September 1999 06:29 Subject: [tadream] Re: Rheims disaster > From: Christopher Robbin > > > > < ago, and they literally crammed the place with > people, three times as many as the hall could > take. From: Richard Ford > > Thanks for that *wonderful* insight... Now can we get back to the >> > subject of music? >> > >> > SHEESH! >> >> Exactly! >> I don't care much about the Mars Polaroid :-) or whatever... >> At least not on this list. >> Let's get back to the weekly discussions about the albums and other >> music-things. >> >oH GOODY GOODY next week we can talk about a-b and the week after c-d but >god forbid we talk about anything that is not in the curiculum. >YAWN YAWN . The list is starting to become more like a school lesson ,lets >do this one week ,lets do that next week . Can I sugest we are loosing the >original point again and all the new members who don't like the format go >start your own . > I second that - it is becoming one big ......Yawn.... -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford , Marcel Engels writes >From: 'Marcel Engels' > >> From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' >> >> Hey, >> >> As of this moment, a movie with TD soundtrack is being broadcast on >TVNorge in Norway. Its about a group of German soldiers, directed by Michael >Mann. I cant find the movie's orignal title anywere. What is it? > >Ask Steven Feldman for the title and he will say The Keep... > Yes, One of my fave movies and soundtracks. -- Richard Ford From: Gabe Yedid From: Victor Rek > > > So, Heiko, what's the deal with this Edgar Froese piece 'Brandmale' that > > only you seem to have heard of? Is this an alternate name for > > 'Sobornost'? > > Or are you smoking something special that you aren't sharing with us? ;) > > Brandmale does exist and it is from a soundtrack (not Sobotnost). There > is some dialogue on the CD-R with some music from another band I think. > There definitely is some new original Edgar Froese music. Vic According to Mike Jean, it's a Froese soundtrack from the early '70s. Is it more or less in the style of TD music from that time, then? (i.e. Alpha Centauri or Zeit) Gabe From: Victor Rek From: Gabe Yedid > > Brandmale does exist and it is from a soundtrack (not Sobotnost). There > > is some dialogue on the CD-R with some music from another band I think. > > There definitely is some new original Edgar Froese music. Vic > > According to Mike Jean, it's a Froese soundtrack from the early '70s. > Is it more or less in the style of TD music from that time, then? > (i.e. Alpha Centauri or Zeit) If I had to compare it to any of his releases, it would be 'Ages' - 1978 era... Vic From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: kstratos0@xxxxx.xxx Date: Sun Sep 26, 1999 10:18 pm Subject: manhunter OST Hi! I wonder if anyone can help me out here. Recently I saw an 80s film on video, called 'Manhunter'-directed by Dino DeLaurentis. I especially liked the soundtrack so when I looked at the end credits I saw it was by Michel Rubini, whom I dont know and also included tracks by Red 7 and K.Schulze. The soundtrack was an MCA release. However, I cant seem to be able to find it anywhere. Its either out of stock or it doesnt exist at all. One on-line store claims that Tangerine Dream actually contributed tracks to the film, just adding to my confusion. Is anyone aware of this soundtrack and if TD actually contributed to it? Did it ever come out? Thanx. Stratos, Greece. From: PNaunton@a... Date: Sun Sep 26, 1999 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Re: np: in slaughter natives / throbbing gristle In a message dated 25-09-1999 5:53:15 AM EST, cosmos@c... writes: << hi phil that's great music. specially throbbing gristle. do you like nurse with wound / current 93 /spk too. in some records of nww and current 93 there is space music included. more for the adventurous tangerine dream listener. andre >> SPK I know but not the other. Every so often I get into one of those Rough Trade moods. Phil N. From: 'Nigel Merrick' Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 2:11 am Subject: TD MP3s Hi All Does anyone know of any internet sources for TD-related MP3s? Surely, many of the bootleg items have made their way to the MP3 format by now...? Cheers Nigel Merrick Bermuda From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 5:27 am Subject: Re: Rheims disaster From: Christopher Robbin Subject: Re: Rheims disaster >It was in December of 74, the 12th, I think. You left out the part about how an exorcism was requested to purify the place. I understand that the locals were also upset about the excessive use of drugs by the audience.< speaking of left out. Let's not forget that Nico played between the TD sets. Wouldn't know which fans are more notorious for their drug use. ahem --teiwaz From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 6:18 am Subject: Re: Brandmale? Owens James wrote: > From: Owens James > > Heiko, > > What is this? > > > -----Original Message----- > > n.p.: Edgar Froese - Brandmale > > > > Hi James, this is a soundtrack recording for a German film done by Edgar in the 70's (don't know the exact date but I think it's from ca. 1978/79). It's not an official album! Heiko From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Victor Rek > > > So, Heiko, what's the deal with this Edgar Froese piece 'Brandmale' that > > only you seem to have heard of? Is this an alternate name for > > 'Sobornost'? > > Or are you smoking something special that you aren't sharing with us? ;) Oh Lord, what have I done ;-) I feel a little bit uncomfortably about this because this is a bootleg recording. Only 20 minutes long with some dialogue. Some music is definetly from another band which sounds a little bit like 39 Clocks (a great German band in the tradition of Velvet Underground). There also exists another CDR from Edgar which is called 'Das verbotene Spiel' (1979) and which is a soundtrack to German radio play (some sort of early Jim & Pablo). And this really is the last time I'm talking about Bootlegs! This week's topic is 'Atem'....as usual a great album by TD, it still is one of my favourites. Is/was there any electronic musician/band which screamed like mad apes ('Wahn')? I guess not! And the cover was great, too. Regards, Heiko From: Attila Gyory wrote: > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > This weeks discussion brings us to the 1973 Album > 'Atem'. Share your > thoughts, view, comments and reviews with the > mailing list. Please > make your subject header read > > 'D:Studio [Atem]' when replying. > > Regards, > Lawry Hi! I just wanted to tell you, that Atem is not my favourite TD album. Because of its cool floating organ lines I can fall asleep. And when the last track 'Wahn' comes, I wake up suddenly with a frighten. Besides 'Wahn' it would be a beautiful intro for Phaedra... Regards, Attila Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18125 D:Studio [Atem] Lawry Simm Tue 9/28/1999 4 KB 18168 D:Studio [Atem] Quarlie@xxx.xxx Sat 10/2/1999 5 KB 18207 Re: D:Studio [Atem] Lawry Simm Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 7:52 am Subject: Re: Re: D:Studio [Zeit] (Armin scale) >From: Gustavo Jobim > >>> It is only the historic importance of this album that forces me to >>give this a >>> 2AS. >> >>Damn, that's generous... even on the Armin scale.... > >Sorry, but I can't understand this 'Armin scale'. What is 2AS? Is it like 2 >points, being 5 the maximum point? You've got it, Gustavo! -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 6:41 am Subject: RE: Adelbert von Deyen Thanks to everyone who had send me some reactions about Adelbert von Deyen. it really helped me out. Bert (sorry if you are getting this mail multiple times) > >hELLO, > > > >I've a question, does anybody knows Adelbert von Deyen ? > >He made a couple of LP's at the Sky label. in the genre of Klaus Schulze > ( > >IRRLICHT, BLACKDANCE), Tangerine Dream (ZEIT) > >I wonder which albums he had made, what were their names , and is he > still > >around ? > > > >hope you can help me. > > > >Greetings > >Bert > > Have you tried the All music guide website? > > I think the URL is http://www.allmusicguide.com , or maybe > http://www.amg.com > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 9:45 am Subject: TD mp3s > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:11:43 -0300 > From: 'Nigel Merrick' >Subject: TD MP3s > >Hi All > >Does anyone know of any internet sources for TD-related MP3s? Surely, many >of the bootleg items have made their way to the MP3 format by now...? > >Cheers > >Nigel Merrick >Bermuda Hi, there have been some TD mp3s around. I have collected the following: - extract from Coldwater Canyon - a mailing list member's remix of Dominion - Stratosfear - Midnight in Tula played by the Commodore C64 in a Video game (cool thing!) - and most recently, somebody here mp3-encoded the end of Resurrection from Electronic Mediation *backwards* so that we can understand the vocals. That's all I have. If there is more, I'd be glad to know armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38748 Re: TD mp3s Liondream@a... dreamsector Mon 2/3/2003 2 KB From: Stephen Yensen Subject: Re: SV: Poland >>What is said at the beginnig of Poland, from Poland? I could only >>understand '...konzert....Chris Franks, Johannes Schmoelling, .... Edgar >>Froese... Tangerine Dream!' >> >>gfj > > >Gustavo, > >this message was posted here on the onelist not so long ago, as an answer to when you asked the same question back then. Maybe you didn't read it!? Yes this is true, but I didn't read ant answer... Maybe it was answered on tangerinedream list, but I wasn't on this list then. >> Thanks Thomas for putting the record straight. My reply was posted on this list on Friday 17th September (digest 203). Something to add to the FAQ? Is Mr. Jenkins on this list? One other question - is the reply accurate? Vic? Cheers, Steve. ============ STEVE YENSEN =============== Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ (the internet in nottingham) Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... (Siemens Communications) No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18112 Re: Poland intro Owens James Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 10:03 am Subject: RE: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Metropolis is on the LP Ages, i don't know if it is on CD Bert > ---------- > From: Thomas[SMTP:t.h.o.m.a.s@t...] > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 22:30 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Froese: Beyond the Storm question > > From: 'Thomas' > > Hello everyone. > > I'm listening to 'Beyond the Storm' by Edgar Froese at the moment. I > bought it when it was released, but havn't paid it much attention ever > since then. I always thought the original versions were better, but I'm > starting to appreciate it more and more. When I look at the tracklisting > and compare it to the originals there is one immediate questionmark: > * The re-mastered (and reworked) tracks of the album are as far as I > understand supposed to be available on previously released albums. Then > what albums do the tracks 'Carneol' (CD1) and 'Metropolis' (CD2) come > from? I can't find them anywhere. I'm of course assuming that 'Aqua', > 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', 'Macula Transfer', 'Ages', 'Stuntman', 'Solo > 1974-1979', 'Kamikaze 1989' and 'Pinnacles' are all the solo albums > available with mr.Froese. > Can anyone help me? > > Thanks beforehand > > Thomas Bertilsson > Helsingborg, Sweden > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Thomas' From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > >Metropolis is on the LP Ages, i don't know if it is on CD >Bert > >> ---------- >> From: Thomas[SMTP:t.h.o.m.a.s@t...] >> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 22:30 >> To: tadream@o... >> Subject: [tadream] Froese: Beyond the Storm question >> >> From: 'Thomas' >> >> Hello everyone. >> >> I'm listening to 'Beyond the Storm' by Edgar Froese at the moment. I >> bought it when it was released, but havn't paid it much attention ever >> since then. I always thought the original versions were better, but I'm >> starting to appreciate it more and more. When I look at the tracklisting >> and compare it to the originals there is one immediate questionmark: >> * The re-mastered (and reworked) tracks of the album are as far as I >> understand supposed to be available on previously released albums. Then >> what albums do the tracks 'Carneol' (CD1) and 'Metropolis' (CD2) come >> from? I can't find them anywhere. I'm of course assuming that 'Aqua', >> 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', 'Macula Transfer', 'Ages', 'Stuntman', 'Solo >> 1974-1979', 'Kamikaze 1989' and 'Pinnacles' are all the solo albums >> available with mr.Froese. >> Can anyone help me? >> >> Thanks beforehand >> >> Thomas Bertilsson >> Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18107 Re: SV: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Gabe Yedid Mon 9/27/1999 2 KB 18113 Re: SV: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Eric Rochon Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB 18114 Re: SV: Froese: Beyond the Storm question Gabe Yedid Mon 9/27/1999 1 KB From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: kstratos0@y... > >Hi! I wonder if anyone can help me out here. Recently I saw an 80s film on video, called 'Manhunter'-directed by Dino DeLaurentis. Hello Stratos, I am looking for the same OST. Actually, the director is Michael Mann. And as it turns out, there was no TD music in the movie, but music that was similar. There is supposed to be a soundtrack cassette and LP out there somewere, and I think it is hard to find, but somebody is working on getting it so maybe I can help you later. thanks for reading, glenn From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 2:08 pm Subject: Re: SV: Froese: Beyond the Storm question On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Thomas wrote: > From: 'Thomas' > > Thank you all for providing info. I noticed myself that 'Metropolis' is on the 'Ages' LP and CD. Still a big questionmark about the 'Carneol' track. It says it's supposed to be a remastered old track, but I just can't find it anywhere. Or is it a misprint as usual... ;o) > > Thanks again > > Thomas Oh, there's all sorts of things wrong with the packaging for Beyond the Storm. ;) Mine has the labels on discs 1 and 2 swapped. I heard a story from the old list from some guy in Australia who bought it...not only are the labels on his swapped, but the tracks on disc 2 were apparently recorded in the reverse order of what the booklet says they should be! (or so I remember) Now THAT one's a real collector's item! I will check mine for what it says about the old/new status of 'Carneol'... Gabe From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Re: D:Studio [Zeit] (Armin scale) >>>> It is only the historic importance of this album that forces me to >>>give this a >>>> 2AS. >>> >>>Damn, that's generous... even on the Armin scale.... >>Sorry, but I can't understand this 'Armin scale'. What is 2AS? Is it like 2 >>points, being 5 the maximum point? >You've got it, Gustavo! OK, but why is it called Armin scale? Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Charles Amos Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Applewhite, Heaven's Gate, and Misguidedness Hey Joe, I just want to reiterate what has been said in the past, that you are doing an outstanding job moderating this list! -Bill Amos Baltimore, Maryland USA Joe Shoults wrote: > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > ...and to clarify further: > Don't assume that you can only stay on this or that topic. There are no > rules here except netiquette and trading boots on-list. Off-topic forays > can be entertaining, as well as informative, but there is a gray area > wherein the limit lies, and it is up to oneself to know when it is > approaching. I'm not asking for everyone to stay on-topic 100%. But use > judgement with every post, not every thread. > > Thanks; I'll shut up now. > -Joe > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Owens James Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 8:01 pm Subject: Off topic, but worthwhile: A Class Operation Hi all. I rarely do anything like this, but I thought this sounded like a worthwhile thing for the kids. Please don't forward or respond after October 29th when the project ends. I thought, given the international nature of this list, that it would be a perfect place to advertise this. James > -----Original Message----- > Subject: email project - Mr. H's class. > > We are in Grade 7 at Scott Middle School - Lincoln, Nebraska-USA > We are doing an email map project. We want to chart all the places in > the world our email will travel by the Internet. > Our project starts August 30th, and ends October 29th. > > If you receive this message, we ask that you: > 1) Email back and tell us your location so we can plot it on our world > map AND > > 2) Send this note on to more people. > > Please reply to the following address. sstars@l... > > Thank you for your support. > Mr. Hershberger > Social Studies > Scott Middle School > 2200 Pine Lake Rd > Lincoln, NE 68512 > sstars@l... From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 7:59 pm Subject: Free System Projekt: Pointless Reminder Hello: Usually I'm pretty quiet here, but I wanted to make you all aware of this impending release. I volunteered to help Marcel with the artrwork/layout for his new disc, and thereby have had the opportunity to get an advance copy. It spends a lot of time in my CD players, both at home and at work. Keep in mind that I'm not a musician... The disc opens with 'Substance' (16:51), which those who have the prior FSP releases will recognize. It has been reworked and I believe sounds far superior to the original release. One could make parallels to the work of others (i.e. virgin years TD), but Marcel's work has a feel and sound of it's own. This piece runs the gamut from spacey, to eerie to powerful. Track two is 'Amalthea' (10:24), which was originally issued on the first 'GoldTri' compilation. Similar qualities to 'Substance', but in a somewhat shorter piece plus a wonderful piano solo at the end. I like it better here because it can be heard in context with other FSP work. The downside of samplers is that you have to 'shift gears' with every tune. Track three is a new piece entitled 'Coal Sack' (10:09), which begins with a 'waves on the shore' sound and choir, a sequence builds in and becomes the focus for a while, before the lead synth adds melody. I find that there are sounds present in the two new tracks that really reach out and grab you. Could be some new equipment? Track four is 'Faraday' (7:14), from the second 'GoldTri' set. Reworked, though I couldn't tell exactly how. You musician types will probably be able to tell. The last track, 'Distance' (11:30), has a similar feel to track three, with the addition of a keyboard solo at the end, kind of like the one that closes 'Amalthea', only different. I really like these solo pieces, and would encourage Marcel to do a whole CD of them, if he ever felt so inclined. Though not a 'concept album', the music on this disc flows very well together. Anyone who has the previous FSP releases will surely not be disappointed, and those of you who liked his material on the GoldTri samplers - here's your chance to get more! I recommend this disc very highly. It should be available through Quantum very soon. Cheers! Tom P.S. If you have any comments regarding the artwork, I'd like to hear 'em. From: Owens James Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 8:18 pm Subject: RE: Poland intro Since the translation was done by one of our Polish list-members, I assume it is accurate! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Yensen > > One other question - is the reply accurate? Vic? > From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 8:40 pm Subject: Re: SV: Froese: Beyond the Storm question I also bought Beyond the storm to later find out it there was only one CD instead of two... so I returned it to the store and purchase an other one with 2 discs.... Eric From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Sep 27, 1999 10:45 pm Subject: Re: SV: Froese: Beyond the Storm question I checked by copy of BtS and 'Carneol' does indeed not have a 'new material' marker next to it. It is, however, not like anything on any previous Edgar solo album (and I have 'em all...well OK not Brandmale...) Gabe From: Gary Davis Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 1:42 am Subject: TD related news Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here are some excerpts of interest to TD fans. We've got a lot of new and forthcoming releases added to our Voiceprint page many of which have just come out in the last month including Tangerine Dream/Mars Polaris - The 'en route' soundtrack, from Germany's new age/ electronic gurus, for NASA's 'Mars Polaris' expedition, launched in January 1999 from Cape Canaveral & due to reach Mars in December 1999. This new studio album is the first in the 'Event Soundtrack' series and tries to convey the impression of the journey to Mars through myriads of magnetic fields and unknown phenomena that exist within our Solar System. Tangerine Dream's first studio album in four years, the complete Mars Polaris was to be presented live for the first time at the Klasngart Festival in Osnabruck. The latest import releases can be found at including: FROESE,EDGAR-AQUA Mid-priced reissue of the Tangerine Dream co-founder's solo debut, originally released on Virgin in 1974. Four tracks. Also features the original cover art. ROTHER,MICHAEL-BACK CATALOG: ESPERANZA FERNWARME + 3 FLAMMENDE HFERZEN + 2 KATZENMUSIK + 3 LUST + 3 RADIO + 6 STERNTALER + 3 SUESSHERZ UND TIEFENSCHARFE + 2 TRAUMREISEN + 4 Digitally remastered reissues of solo albums by this bassist/ guitarist/ keyboardist for Krautrock duo Neu & early member of electronic pioneers Kraftwerk. Each features all of the original cuts plus bonus tracks (except 1996's 'Esperanza'). 1982's 'Fernwarme' adds 'Silencio', 'Unterwasserwolken' & 'The Doppelganger'; 1977's 'Flammende Herzen' adds 'Flammende Herzen' (Film Remix) & 'Vorbei' (Flammende Herzen - Chill Remix); 1979's 'Katzenmusik' adds 'Sweet Retro', 'Doppelstern' and 'Schlangentanz'; 1983's 'Lust' adds 'Blauer Delphin', 'Gitarrero' & 'Nachtpassage' (Ambient Night Mix); 1993's 'Radio', a collection of his singles from 1977-1993, adds 'Subherz', 'Glitzerglanz', 'Lichtermeer', 'Sudseewellen', 'Morning Sun' & 'Flammende Herzen/ Film' (Remix); 1978's 'Sterntaler' (his solo debut) adds 'Lichter Von Kairo', 'Patagonia Horizant' and 'Sudseewellen' (Extended Dance Remix); 1985's 'Suessherz Und Tiefenscharfe' adds 'Weserwellen' & 'Weites Land'; 1987's 'Traumreisen' adds 'Sudseewellen' (Radio Dance Remix), 'Lucky Stars' (Radio Dance Remix), 'Trance-Atlantik' and 'Sudseewellen' (Ambient Remix). SCHULZE,KLAUS-IRRLICHT/ DUNE (2CD) Two solo albums paired together by this co-founder of both Tangerine Dream & Ash Ra Tempel, his 1972 debut 'Irrlicht' & 1979's 'Dune', which features Arthur Brown. And not TD related, but a must for any fan of electronic music, on our ESD/Northside/Omnium page you'll find some great news for Wendy Carlos and Switched on Bach fans! Coming in late October is Wendy Carlos/Switched-On Boxed Set! Music that changed the world: a gorgeous collector’s deluxe edition of a decade of revolutionary recordings by 'original synth' Wendy Carlos. Hear the actual master tapes for the first time, painstakingly transferred, cleaned and optimized, using ultra-high fidelity 20-bit “Hi-D” sound. “Carlos’s realization of the Fourth Brandenburg Concerto is, to put it bluntly, the finest performance of any of the Brandenburgs—live, canned, or intuited—I’ve ever heard.” —Glenn Gould Collect the Grammy-award family of Switched-On Bach, which propelled the synthesizer to fame in 1968 and became the first Platinum-selling classical album, with The Well-Tempered Synthesizer, Switched-On Bach II, and the Switched-On Brandenburgs. * Four 20-Bit CDs * Two colorful books with hundreds of pages * Dozens of photos * The “lost” audio tracks * Behind the S-OB scenes * History of the Moog Synthesizer * More images of the texts for your computer * A working analog synth computer program * MIDI files of Carlos’s Bach performances Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@a... phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From: PNaunton@a... Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 2:21 am Subject: D: 'Atem' Atem 1976 Virgin 28990 XBU LP (Double with Alpha Centauri) This I find curious. I have very little connection with this music. It is most likely that it is due to not buying this issue until I lost my copy of Alpha Centauri and years later snatched this up to replace it. I got the bonus Atem with it. I never heard Atem before. Didn't buy it as an individual LP when I saw it. I wasn't a completist at that time, only buying the TD that I was strongly interested in. On the whole I would say that I prefer Alpha Centauri, Zeit, and even Electronic Meditation over this one. I cannot get over the almost annoying aspect of this recording. Due to the similarity to what I myself had been doing with a cheap three head reel-to-reel tape deck years previous, I found this to be a bit juvenile because it was obviously taken out of context. I notice that the discographical misalignment has not repaired itself even after all this time. Enough said on this venue. I will push on to more adventurous fields when the increasingly fascinating and groundbreaking releases arrive for comment. Any moment now. Phil Naunton (Sorry to be so uncharitable.) From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 2:57 am Subject: D: Atem Atem was the first pre-Virgin (is there such a thing? :-) TD CD that I bought. Even though I had been 'in to' TD for awhile, I had always had the impression I should steer clear of the earliest releases. But when I saw a used copy of Atem, I played it on a listening station, and really liked it. The sound quality was terrible on the Relativity version, so I went out and bought the Castle reissue. I know a lot of people, even fans who like some of the older stuff, just sort of dismiss Atem as so-so. I don't know why, but I really get into it. It reminds me of the early Ash Ra Tempel CDs, being part freak out psychedelic rock (love the wild drumming for the first five minutes), and part laid back space music, with lots and lots of mellotron. It meanders beautifully through the last part of 'Atem,' into 'Fauni Gena' and 'Circulation of Events.' It took me longer to get into 'Wahn' - let's face it, they sound downright silly at the beginning. But then those great drums come in again. I sure do miss those drums. Edgar and Jerome need a real drummer. Bottom line: a solid 4AS. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18126 Re: D: Atem Charles Amos Tue 9/28/1999 2 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 6:44 am Subject: D: [Studio] Atem When I first listened to Atem in 1982 I was a little bit disappointed. No sequencers, no melodies... But at that time I was 13 years old and was expecting stuff like Stratosfear or Logos which where the first albums I bought. In fact it took me a long time to appreciate the albums that where released prior to Phaedra. It was too experimental for me at that time and age. But if I had to make a top 10 list of all my fave TD albums Atem would surely be amongst them. The first minutes are absolutely glorious (or like Julian Cope said in his 'Krautrocksampler' book: 'music to build pyramids to') It brings back memories of me hearing this Side A as a teenager, lying in my bed late at night with headphones on and the hi-fi full blast (and I mean FULL blast ;-), waiting for this giant crashing sound to come (when the pyramids collapse ? ) The last 10+ minutes of this song couldn't be different from the start but are also very very beautiful. 'Fauni-Gena', the first track on Side B.... When listening to this track I always thought about prehistoric times, giant birds and dinosaurs. A world uninhabited by humans. Another TD classic. The closing track 'Wahn' sounds a little bit different from the rest... Some people going mad and screaming like chimanzees, beating furiously on their bongos. A track which empties any crowed room in a few seconds ;-) I love it. It really showed to me Froese/Franke/Baumann had the guts to do what they wanted to and didn't care about commercial success. (although later Atem was chosen as the 'Import of the year' album by John Peel. I guess TD owes him a lot for he was the person who started TD's career) From all the albums which where released until 1973, 'Atem' is my favourite of them all (but closely followed by Alpha Centauri and Zeit). Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18169 D: Atem Jonathan Teague Sun 10/3/1999 6 KB 18170 Re: D: [Studio] Atem Jens Peschke Sun 10/3/1999 1 KB 18171 Re: D: [Studio] Atem Jonathan Teague Sun 10/3/1999 2 KB 18172 Re: D: [Studio] Atem Jens Peschke Sun 10/3/1999 1 KB 18174 Re: D: [Studio] Atem Jonathan Teague Sun 10/3/1999 1 KB 18277 Re: D: [Studio] Atem Joe Shoults Thu 10/7/1999 1 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 7:35 am Subject: Re: Re: D:Studio [Zeit] (Armin scale) >From: Gustavo Jobim > >OK, but why is it called Armin scale? Way back, in the mists of time (around 1993?), on the old Tadream list (RIP), I started a rather unorganzed attempt to run a poll of the top ten (and bottom ten) TD albums. That was a bit of a shambles - some ony offered 5 votes, others listed 10 studio albums and 10 soundtracks, etc. Not too long after, esteemed list member Armin Theissen suggested that a more organized poll be conducted. He provided a list of all TD albums against which each voter applied a score from 1 to 5. Armin offerred suggestons for what each score would represent from 1 - poor to 5 - perfect. And thus, the Armin Scale (AS) was born. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 8:08 am Subject: D: Studio ATEM There's an evolutionary step taken here. Not as radical as Phaedra, obviously, but there's a step away from the exclusively drone mode and freak-out anarchy of the earlier albums (Though both those elements here too...) Why, there's an actual theme at the beginning of Atem, and what seems to be an agreement on the structure as opposed to complete improvisation. ( I.E. The intro theme, the build-up, the explosion, the spacey part, the later 'windlike' climax all seem to be planned events.) Circulation of events revisits the drone mode of Zeit. Not much to add there, but I do like it. Wahn..... well... errrrr (ahem) The intro is embarrassing. I'm not sure where I read this, (Though I think it was the '70 to '80 box set) but someone wrote that this was a rare example of the bands sense of humor... Well, I think that's a just a little disingenuous. I think they meant it to be 'cosmic' though it came out more flatulent. The rest of the piece is fine ... but that intro....... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18124 Re: D: Studio ATEM Craig Chambers Tue 9/28/1999 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner From: 'upnsm0ke' From: Klaus Beschorner From: 'Craig Chambers' From: 'Lawry Simm' From: Charles Amos > From: PhilPDX@a... > > Atem was the first pre-Virgin (is there such a thing? :-) TD CD that I > bought. Even though I had been 'in to' TD for awhile, I had always had the > impression I should steer clear of the earliest releases. But when I saw a > used copy of Atem, I played it on a listening station, and really liked it. > The sound quality was terrible on the Relativity version, so I went out and > bought the Castle reissue. > > I know a lot of people, even fans who like some of the older stuff, just sort > of dismiss Atem as so-so. I don't know why, but I really get into it. It > reminds me of the early Ash Ra Tempel CDs, being part freak out psychedelic > rock (love the wild drumming for the first five minutes), and part laid back > space music, with lots and lots of mellotron. It meanders beautifully > through the last part of 'Atem,' into 'Fauni Gena' and 'Circulation of > Events.' It took me longer to get into 'Wahn' - let's face it, they sound > downright silly at the beginning. But then those great drums come in again. > I sure do miss those drums. Edgar and Jerome need a real drummer. > > Bottom line: a solid 4AS. > > Phil D. > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Testing new web presence > From: Klaus Beschorner > > http://www.kbeschorner.de > > Don't update your bookmarks/favourites yet, but I'd very much > appreciate if some of you could just check how well/fast the > access works and send me a short feedback. It was very quick over here in Holland...so no problem! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 9:27 pm Subject: Re: Testing new web presence ----- Original Message ----- From: Klaus Beschorner To: tadream moderated mailing list at onelist ; tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:35 PM Subject: [tadream] Testing new web presence > From: Klaus Beschorner > > > appreciate if some of you could just check how well/fast the > access works and send me a short feedback. > Hi Klaus I went and had a look around your web site this evening . I had no problems with the down load nice and smooth ,about 15 seconds to download the main page . The few links I went through also seem to be working fine . Best regards Carl ' Orch ' From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 1:50 am Subject: Re: Testing new web presence What a nice ruse to generate traffic on your web page ;-) Worked fine from my end... Craig Chambers From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Sep 28, 1999 11:48 pm Subject: Going Phaedrazy and Rubyconazy I'm going crazy with all these TD albums... I think only in maybe 2002 I'll manage to have all their CDs. No problem. I'm glad to inform you that I've just bought a copy of Phaedra and Rubycon (a wonderful coincidence, the 2 first Virgin albums and the next two which are going to be revised here, after GD and Atem.) They cost me the same price of two Big Macs, but they are near-mint vinyl copies. TDC is growing! Now it's Extracts from Poland, White Eagle, Force Majeure, Phaedra & Rubycon. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18131 Re: Going Phaedrazy and Rubyconazy Craig Chambers Wed 9/29/1999 1 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 3:05 am Subject: Re: Going Phaedrazy and Rubyconazy Congrats...Rubycon is one of my all time favorites! Turn out the lights, put on the headpones, turn up the volume and go on a ride. Man, if only to experience this one again for the first time. >I'm going crazy with all these TD albums... I think only in maybe 2002 I'll >manage to have all their CDs. No problem. > >I'm glad to inform you that I've just bought a copy of Phaedra and Rubycon >(a wonderful coincidence, the 2 first Virgin albums and the next two which >are going to be revised here, after GD and Atem.) They cost me the same >price of two Big Macs, but they are near-mint vinyl copies. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 1:18 am Subject: 4-note songs (was D:Studio [Atem]) >ATEM >The opening of the album heralds the new direction. Maybe not quite a >new direction, but certainly a lot further down the path that they had >started on with Zeit. Pounding tom-toms, repeating 4 note melody (how >many times will we see this trick in the future? - is this the >embryonic 'sequencing' of future TD?). 4-note songs are very common: Beethoven, Fifth Symphony. Jean-Michel Jarre, Oxygene 7. >Fauni Gena does exactly what it says on the tin. It evokes images of >alien swamps, prehistoric landscapes, even the Dagobar system! Sorry, but isn't it DagobaH? (this is from Star Wars, isn't it? :) gfj Hadulahk undars vaasjsjshnas! Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 1:22 am Subject: Real Drummer >> Blah Blah. finally, Edgar and Jerome need a real drummer. Hmmm... drummer? Klaus Schulze? Olodum?!?!! :) Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 4:12 am Subject: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach STEVE ROACH 'L I G H T F A N T A S T I C' ------------------------------------------- Fathom 11094-2 CD Steve Roach has influenced a generation of synthesists with his individual brand of electronica. LIGHT FANTASTIC combines the signature textures of his ambient work with propulsive new 'fractal groove' rhythms. After twenty years of solo and collaborative work, Steve Roach continues to beam onward to new realms with LIGHT FANTASTIC. You'll find MP3 clips and :: MORE INFO AT: http://www.fathomusic.com/hs11094/index.html Regards, Michael A. Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18135 Re: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach Glenn Reinicke Wed 9/29/1999 1 KB 18136 Re: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach Quarlie@a... Wed 9/29/1999 2 KB 18137 Re: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach PNaunton@a... Wed 9/29/1999 1 KB 18141 Re: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach Gustavo Jobim Wed 9/29/1999 1 KB From: Glenn Reinicke Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 4:53 am Subject: RE: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach >From: 'Michael A. Jean' >the signature textures of his ambient work with propulsive new 'fractal groove' rhythms What the hell is 'fractal groove'? Don't even tell me they have some damn number crunching computer program vomiting out techno loops. I swear I'll hurl. From: Quarlie@a... Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 5:35 am Subject: Re: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach In a message dated 9/29/99 12:10:54 AM, 'Michael A. Jean' wrote (or quoted, anyway): > Steve Roach has influenced a generation of synthesists with > his individual brand of electronica. LIGHT FANTASTIC combines > the signature textures of his ambient work with propulsive > new 'fractal groove' rhythms. After twenty years of solo and > collaborative work, Steve Roach continues to beam onward to > new realms with LIGHT FANTASTIC. I just got that CD today, actually. Though I'm not too familiar with Roach's music (my only prior experience being his collaboration with Robert Rich, 'Strata'), I like 'Light Fantastic' quite a bit. Like much of 'Strata,' it's remarkably soothing and floaty and ambient, yet rhythmic at the same time. Neat trick. Oh, and the cover art is great too. --Quarlie :) NP: Rush--Moving Pictures From: PNaunton@a... Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 5:37 am Subject: Re: an interesting new CD by Steve Roach In a message dated 28-09-1999 11:54:02 PM EST, glennr@f... writes: << What the hell is 'fractal groove'? >> It's what you get when you break an LP in half. PRN From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Sep 29, 1999 9:52 am Subject: Re: Testing new web presence >What a nice ruse to generate traffic on your web page ;-) >Worked fine from my end... Dammit, I knew someone was going to see through it ;-) There´s no counter and no ads, so I hope you all don't feel used too much ;-) Thanks to all testers, feedback was positive, so I'll make the move offical soon. best regards klaus From: Owens James From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Gustavo Jobim << What the hell is 'fractal groove'? >> > > It's what you get when you break an LP in half. You got it, Phil! Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Steven Feldman . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18144 Re: Mr. Know-it-All Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 9/30/1999 1 KB 18145 Re: Mr. Know-it-All Attila Gyory Thu 9/30/1999 1 KB 18147 Re: Mr. Know-it-All Jens Peschke Thu 9/30/1999 1 KB 18150 Re: Mr. Know-it-All craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Thu 9/30/1999 1 KB From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Sep 30, 1999 4:19 am Subject: Re: Roach's fractal grooves As long as we are on the off-topic of Steve Roach, I second the comments about both the great music and cover art on Light Fantastic. I thought Body Electric was boring (heinous, I know), it just didn't change enough for me. LF has more balance between those 'fractal grooves' and the spacier sections. But speaking of those silly credits for fractal grooves and such, what in the world is that they claim Vidna Obmana is playing - playing with food?!? Phil D. NP: Robert Rich/Alio Die - Fissures From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Sep 30, 1999 7:22 am Subject: Re: Mr. Know-it-All In a message dated 9/30/99 2:26:03 AM !!!First Boot!!!, AR402004@B... writes: << Is Tetsu Inoue a big name in e-music circles, too, or just among techno trendies??? >> * I've heard his name mentioned (mostly) by my Eno-oriented freinds for some time now. Poly From: Attila Gyory Date: Thu Sep 30, 1999 10:40 am Subject: Re: Mr. Know-it-All From: Armin Theissen From: Jens Peschke From: 'Jim Moore' From: Armin Theissen > I am very much in love with 'Fauni-Gena' and 'Circulation of Events'. > I also like that it remains relatively static, though there is this > (bass guitar?) throbbing sound. Somebody complained that the piece > should have 'evolved' from there to rubyconesque sequencer parts. > But I like it the way it is. Fauni-Gena is a wonderful Mellotron piece, > better than 'Mysterious Semblance...' on Phaedra (IMHO). I have to concur. After 'Epislon in Malaysian Pale', 'Fauni-Gena' is my favorite mellotron-centric song. And that bass line is very subtle, but pure evil -- like a snake slithering along the jungle floor. The tangentized version on DREAM ROOTS is a cool revisit of the song with a supplemental bass 'thock' that brings out that imagery. 'Circulation' is a great piece, too, but just way too short. If they'd done a ZEIT length version of that, ATEM would be a fuller album, IMO. Personal historical TD note: I first heard those two songs when I bought the double 'COLLECTION' album very early on in my TD listening days (that was a shock) and they were my favorite pieces in the collection. Eventually 'Burning Brain' and 'White Clouds' grew on me and from that collection, I started picking up the Pink Years albums. - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 'I drive too fast to worry about cholesterol.' - Steven Wright jimbo@v... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'teiwaz _' From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Thu Sep 30, 1999 1:26 pm Subject: Re: Mr. Know-it-All > From: Sean Montgomery From: jupe From: jupe From: Totta Rydqvist From: jupe > > Mi nueva pelicula sobre TD , solo para incondicionales ...... > > The new TD-Jupe Movie , only for die-collectors ..... > > http://members.xoom.com/tdfans/jupe192.mpg , > > Jupe > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Oct 1, 1999 3:08 am Subject: M. Hoenig - Mr. Know-it-All > From: Jens Peschke > > There isn't much happening though. I take it anytime over 'Zeit' > and the earlier TD works. Jens, I don't think this is a fair comparison... Anyway, I just recently got a rare CD by Morton Subotnick 'The Keys to Songs/Return'. This is a combination of orchestral and electronic music - absolutely great for those Conrad Schnitzler and Michael Hoenig fans! Michael Hoenig happens to be the producer of this CD :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18159 Re: M. Hoenig - Mr. Know-it-All Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Fri 10/1/1999 1 KB 18163 Re: M. Hoenig - Mr. Know-it-All Victor Rek Fri 10/1/1999 1 KB 18190 Re: M. Hoenig - Mr. Know-it-All Jim Moore Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB From: Mats Nordlinder Date: Fri Oct 1, 1999 7:51 am Subject: Re: mpg Thanks Jupe, thats was great, post more of the same !! Mats jupe wrote: > From: jupe > > Mi nueva pelicula sobre TD , solo para incondicionales ...... > > The new TD-Jupe Movie , only for die-collectors ..... > > http://members.xoom.com/tdfans/jupe192.mpg , > > Jupe > From: 'Thomas' From: Mats Nordlinder landscape of sounds, sounds I can almost touch (no I haven't been smoking bananas). > > Thomas Bertilsson > Sweden From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 1, 1999 9:30 am Subject: Re: M. Hoenig - Mr. Know-it-All In a message dated 10/1/99 3:18:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, torque19@i... writes: << Anyway, I just recently got a rare CD by Morton Subotnick 'The Keys to Songs/Return'. This is a combination of orchestral and electronic music - absolutely great for those Conrad Schnitzler and Michael Hoenig fans! Michael Hoenig happens to be the producer of this CD :-) Vic >> * Any more info you could give us? Date etc.? Sounds intruiging. Poly From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 1, 1999 9:33 am Subject: Thanks jupe! THAT WAS EXCELLENT!!!! You made my day. Poly From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 1, 1999 9:53 am Subject: AS Again (was Re: (tadream) D: studio (Atem)) >From: 'Thomas' > >All in all: I love this album, although I don't understand the title track. The three remaining pieces are fantastic, and I was a fool to wait as long as I did to buy it. If I had to give it a grade it would have to be: 3,5 As >(I understand the principle of the Armin Scale, but can somebody please explain where it origins from?) I answered this (I think) the other day - check digest 220. BTW, I believe the AS was specifically chosen to force individuals to chhose between whole numbers. As such, you're score of 3.5 is 'invalid', forcing you to choose whether it is simply average (3AS) or good (4AS). Perhaps if Armin still has the specific gradings (i.e. what each number represents) he could post it again? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18162 Re: AS Again (was Re: (tadream) D: studio (Atem)) Eric Rochon Fri 10/1/1999 1 KB From: 'Eric Rochon' From: Victor Rek << Anyway, I just recently got a rare CD by Morton Subotnick 'The Keys to > Songs/Return'. This is a combination of orchestral and electronic music > - absolutely great for those Conrad Schnitzler and Michael Hoenig fans! > Michael Hoenig happens to be the producer of this CD :-) > > * Any more info you could give us? Date etc.? > Sounds intruiging. > Poly Morton Subotnick, prod. by Michael Hoenig New Albion Records NA 012 CD, Made in Japan, 1986 1. The Key to Songs 22:42 2. Return I 18:49 3. Return II 20:18 From: 'Thomas' From: 'cinemafan' Date: Sat Oct 2, 1999 4:10 am Subject: TD reference Hi gang, Been busy lately, but had a chance to watch my copy of BRAIN DAMAGE on DVD recently. For those who haven't seen it, it concerns a parasite who injects a drug into the brains of it's hosts. They go nutz,eat brains, and goofy fun ensues. Anyway-on the DVD commentary track , while a panning motion shot of the main character walking down the streets of New York, the diector makes note of the fine music that accompanies the scene, and another of the speakers on the track notes-'yes a very TANGERINE DREAM kind of sounding music.' Once again noting that TD reaches all parts of our society from the high towers of the SONY corporation to the schlocky B movies we all love (hate) . CMC From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sat Oct 2, 1999 1:12 am Subject: Re: Tetsu Inoue In a message dated 9/30/99 1:33:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: > Is Tetsu Inoue a big name in e-music circles, too, > or just among techno trendies??? > > > Steve Feldman (Me) He's got a pretty decent following. I like some of his stuff, but some is just bleeps and blurps. I think he also records under at least one other pseudonym, can't recall what it is. I think it's his DJ name, which I believe is how he started out. A very good ambient release is his collaboration with Pete Namlook on FAX, Shades of Orion 3. The first track is kinda bad technoish stuff, but it's really short, followed by two very long tracks (38 and 25 minutes), drones with a lot of deep bass that vibrates the floor under my speakers. Phil D. NP: Mark Shreeve - Thoughts of War From: 'Lawry Simm' From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Oct 2, 1999 9:00 pm Subject: D:Studio [Atem] Please pardon the slight lateness of this review. 'Atem' is one of my more recent purchases, and I haven't given it as much listening as I would like to have before writing a review. But hopefully I can make up for it by paying close attention to it this time. (By the way, shouldn't be quite as long as my 'Zeit' review.) --- 1. Atem Out of an eerie whooshing sound comes the most immense, majestic melody I've ever heard from TD, or from anyone, really. It doesn't sound much like TD, actually, but I don't care. It's incredibly beautiful and powerful. I know exactly what Julian Cope meant when he called it 'music for building the pyramids to,' though I tend to picture a Roman emperor surveying his army from a hilltop. Before long, the deep, steady drum beat gets a bit more frantic, and is joined by what sound like synth-horns (though, this being 1973, I don't have any idea what's actually producing the sound). Various weird noises appear in the background, though they don't draw much attention to themselves. That amazing melody fades away gradually and is replaced by some less structured string-like themes. After a while of this, there's a loud... explosion? That's what it sounds like, anyway. And then, everything goes quiet... Some soft, floaty chords appear out of the darkness, as does a meandering flute-like sound. This is a bit like parts of 'Zeit,' but easier to listen to. It goes on in this quiet vein for some time. Then water starts running. This sound degenerates into static fairly quickly, though. After some time, the sound starts to build up very, very gradually. About 15 minutes into the track, the music is starting to get more foreboding. It's quiet again, but now there's an odd oscillating sound. Shades of 'Aqua.' Creepy string-like chords add to the tension. But apparently the foreboding was unfounded, as the music fades gently away. --- 2. Fauni-Gena I first heard this on an ancient cassette compilation ('Tangerine Dream: the Collection,') I think. I was younger and less experienced in the ways of odd music, and it was late at night, so it kind of creeped me out. But I like it now. To me, it evokes the atmosphere of an alien jungle in deep night. Unknown creatures chitter and cry, but it's not threatening, just mysterious. The wonderful flutey sound is like a human explorer cautiously investigating this world he's landed on. (Now it's seeming like the soundtrack to an Andre Norton novel.) Strings (Mellotron, I presume) join the exploration, like other members of the explorer's party, trying not to make much noise and speaking only in whispers, if at all. Some of these creatures sound like Earth birds, but it must be coincidence. Near the end, a pulsing bass sound appears. Perhaps the explorers are returning to their ship. --- 3. Circulation of Events A repeating two-chord pattern over some rustling sounds. I feel the same nighttime atmosphere that the album has evoked since that intro to the title track went away. Nothing really stands out here except for the sequence-like bit that comes in around the four-minute mark (IS it a sequence? Does anybody know what this sound is made by?). This one doesn't interest me too much, especially when contrasted with the fascinating 'Fauni-Gena.' --- 4. Wahn I feel that I don't really need to describe the first half of this piece, since several people already have. Some powerful drums soon back up the yelping, and then said yelping is replaced by music. And good music, too. The echoing beat is interesting, and the melody is another of those chord/flute combinations that make up much of the album, but it's lighter in feel, and quite beautiful. The ending, unfortunately, is a bit abrupt, but I can easily overlook that minor flaw. --- In the end, I find this album worthwhile, and much more listenable than 'Zeit.' The atonality is gone, and replaced by some very good melodies. It's still a pretty strange album, but in a good way. From: 'Jonathan Teague' From: 'Jens Peschke' > Atem, which means breath or breathing depending on which > of the German speakers I've asked over the years, How about asking a native German ??? Atem = (the) breath atmen = (to) breath atmend = (to be) breathing Hope this helps Jens From: 'Jonathan Teague' To: Sent: 03 October 1999 14:26 Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Studio] Atem > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > From: Jonathan Teague > > > Atem, which means breath or breathing depending on which > > of the German speakers I've asked over the years, > > How about asking a native German ??? > > Atem = (the) breath > atmen = (to) breath > atmend = (to be) breathing > > Hope this helps > > Jens > From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Jonathan Teague' > Did I get the translation of Wahn right though? 'nightmarish vision' is a bit of an interpretation. 'Wahn' means either 'delusion', 'madness' or 'mania'. Immo 'madness' fits best with the music. It does sound like what stoopid people (about all hollywood movies covering that theme obviously were done by such short minded persons) *think* a mental asylum sound alike. Best Regards Jens From: 'marc todd' From: 'Jonathan Teague' From: 'Jens Peschke' > > 'nightmarish vision' is a bit of an interpretation. > 'Wahn' means either 'delusion', 'madness' or 'mania'. > Immo 'madness' fits best with the music. Now the title/music combination makes much more sense to me and fits whichever of your possible translations I apply. I was always uncomfortable with the nightmarish vision one as it simply didn't fit the second half of the track. Jon. From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 3, 1999 10:18 pm Subject: D:Studio [Green Desert] This album is very difficult for me to review as the (I feel) inappropriate 'enhancements' blur the historical relevance of the recordings. I just don't hear most of this album fitting in the time line as we have been going back and listening to them. This is most evident on track 3 'Astral Voyager,' where most of the tonalities and compositional style seem more mid-80's ( I'm reminded of Pinnacles.) I really don't know what, if anything at all was recorded in '73. The first track is a little more believable with the drums and guitar and very basic drone. I could see these things being done back then, but sizable chunks of the album are simply out of time. Part of this opinion is based on having a pretty good idea what they had to work with technically back then and a large amount of this recording does NOT represent that. I am perhaps a little more critical on this point than I'm sure many of you will be. It's not that I don't like the album, I do. I just have had the opportunity to hear some bootleg live recordings lately that have really turned me on, and would have very much liked to hear the recordings in the raw. I recently read an interview with Edgar where he justified the 'additions' as giving the audience something new, which I can understand to a degree, but I can take it raw, and in this case would have preferred it that way. I think I'd put my vote in for Green Desert being my favorite track. This one feels closest to original though there's plenty of add-ons here, too. Track 2 I'd believe the drums were original, but the chord progression has no connection to anything else that was recorded in this time frame at all. Track 3 I've already mentioned, though I'm critical of it's inclusion, I like it as a piece of music. Track 4, well again, these kinds of chord progressions don't appear until much later in their music. sooooo what is real? What were the circumstances of Peter Baumann not being on this recording again? Poly From: jupe From: Gustavo Jobim What were the circumstances of Peter Baumann not being on this >recording again? > >Poly He was in Tibet, I don't remember why. gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:03:26 -0400 Victor Rek said: >Subject: Re: [tadream] M. Hoenig - Mr. Know-it-All >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Victor Rek > >>>[. . .] a rare CD by Morton Subotnick 'The Keys to Songs/Return'. >>>This is a combination of orchestral and electronic music - absolutely >>>great for those Conrad Schnitzler and Michael Hoenig fans! Gack. If you say so. >> Michael Hoenig happens to be the producer of this CD :-) That's the only reason I bought it. >> * Any more info you could give us? Date etc.? >> Sounds intruiging. >> Poly > >Morton Subotnick, prod. by Michael Hoenig >New Albion Records NA 012 CD, Made in Japan, 1986 >1. The Key to Songs 22:42 >2. Return I 18:49 >3. Return II 20:18 I recently picked up a copy of this sealed on a small American label. I played it once, and am surprised I got all the way through. Feh. The liner notes say that this guy recorded the first electronic LP ever: SILVER APPLES OF THE MOON on Nonesuch Records. I used to have that LP. I prefer that to this. There is a computerized image of a pink hand over a black back- ground on the cover of this CD's case. $10.00 plus $2.00 postage takes it. 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ID Date Size 18181 Re: Morton Subotnick CD Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Mon 10/4/1999 2 KB 18182 Re: Morton Subotnick CD upnsm0ke Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB 18252 Re: Morton Subotnick CD John McIntyre Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 2:49 am Subject: Re: Morton Subotnick CD In a message dated 10/4/99 1:35:44 AM !!!First Boot!!!, AR402004@B... writes: << I recently picked up a copy of this sealed on a small American label. I played it once, and am surprised I got all the way through. Feh. The liner notes say that this guy recorded the first electronic LP ever: SILVER APPLES OF THE MOON on Nonesuch Records. I used to have that LP. I prefer that to this. >> * Thanks for the heads up. I would have bought this CD out of interest in Michael Hoenig even though I'm not unfamiliar with the work of Morton Subotnick and have to admit I'm not the biggest fan of the bleep boink Phhhht KAK! ping school (as a matter of fact that is their official name used only in their secret society.) of music. and would have invariably been disappointed. Does anyone know of any bootleg Hoenig work? I've got Early Water, X-cept one, and of course the very important Departure...(I consider this album to be as important as Stratosfear.) Is there anything else to be had? Also, to tie in with the fact that this is a TD page if anyone has the original booklet that came with the old '70 to 80 box set, is that Michael Hoenig peeking up at the camera on the first page upper right hand corner? Poly From: 'upnsm0ke' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > Does anyone know of any bootleg Hoenig work? I've > got Early Water, X-cept one, and of course the very important > Departure...(I consider this album to be as important as Stratosfear.) > Is there anything else to be had? If you're that much of a Hoenig completist, you could always pick up 'Last Live' (1974/5) by Agitation Free (the group C. Franke was in before TD), which features Hoenig in the keyboard seat. E-Man From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 4:16 am Subject: Proposed Releases? Who knows the details? SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR../US$ 14.95 Scheduled for 2000 STAR TROOPER../US$ 14.95 Scheduled for 2000 GREAT WALL OF CHINA../US$ 14.95 Scheduled for Jan 2000 Just picked up some new TD releases for next year. Fact or Fiction? Phil Naunton From: 'Thomas' From: PNaunton@a... > Who knows the details? >SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR../US$ 14.95 >Scheduled for 2000 >STAR TROOPER../US$ 14.95 >Scheduled for 2000 >GREAT WALL OF CHINA../US$ 14.95 >Scheduled for Jan 2000 Phil, this is what it says on the Tangerine Dream homepage. Hope it helps Thomas **Soundmill Navigator (Live at the Philharmonics 1976) is one of old T.D.'s classic live events, featuring the first vintage synth equipment, used in a unique way. **Star Trooper will show TD with a classical edge, featuring the music of: Skrjabin Mozart Haydn Bach Albinoni **Twilight Folder will contain rare and unreleased material from the T.D. decades 1983 - 1997 **Antique Dreams will contain rare and unreleased material from the T.D. decades 1970 - 1982 **Great wall of China Tangerine Dream just finished quite a quick project for a Chinese (!!!) documentary feature about the 'Chinese Wall'. At the moment we can not tell you much more about this work. But we already know that the soundtrack release will be called 'Great wall of china'. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18189 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB 18194 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? Gabe Yedid Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB 18196 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB 18201 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? Gabe Yedid Mon 10/4/1999 2 KB 18210 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? PNaunton@a... Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18222 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? Gabe Yedid Tue 10/5/1999 2 KB 18236 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? PNaunton@a... Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB 18238 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? upnsm0ke Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB 18240 Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? Jens Peschke Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: PENFOLD From: 'Lawry Simm' > >Green Desert (1973) - Released 1986 > >1. Green Desert >2. White Clouds >3. Astral Voyager >4. Indian Summer > >Edgar Froese - keyboards, guitar >Chris Franke - keyboards, percussion. >Compositional credits are EF,CF for tracks 1,2 and 4, and are CF,EF >for track 3 (interesting!). a great album the title track just out and out rocked. it sounded like some great jam session Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: 'upnsm0ke' To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 11:19 PM Subject: [tadream] TD list > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > Hi Folks, > > a short question: is 'tadream@o...' the only TD discussion forum > at the moment? > Or does a second list exist? > > Regards, > > Helpless Heiko > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Mats Nordlinder From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 12:32 pm Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? In a message dated 04-10-1999 1:03:27 AM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: << **Star Trooper will show TD with a classical edge, featuring the music of: Skrjabin Mozart Haydn Bach Albinoni >> Weird title for a collection of classical edges. Isn't that Skriabin? Phil From: 'Jim Moore' Morton Subotnick, prod. by Michael Hoenig >New Albion Records NA 012 CD, Made in Japan, 1986 >1. The Key to Songs 22:42 >2. Return I 18:49 >3. Return II 20:18 This may have been mentioned before, but Hoenig also produced the soundtracks to the 2nd and third Highlander soundtracks... - jim Now Playing: Kansas - FREAKS OF NATURE ============================================== 'You're not dying -- you just can't think of anything good to do!' -- Ferris Bueller's Day Off jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: PW098@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 2:38 pm Subject: D:Studio In the Beginning Since I received the first 5 TD albums at one time, I'll add my 2 cents about them together. I received them as a gift, the 'In the Beginning' box set from someone who hated the TD. A very thoughtful gift but soon I had to make a choice between TD and her and well, TD is still around ;-) Anyway, I'm glad I didn't buy EM as my first TD album. It would probably have been my last TD. IMHO the music that I enjoy from this set comes few and far between. The 2AS is generous as its there first recording and it is very experimental. The next came AC and this is where the beginnings of TD's 'classic' sounds are starting to be formulated. Rating 3AS Atem, which wasn't next but to me sounds like it is, expands on the work of AC. It contains four tracks which are all strong in there on right. It floats, it is experimental, its got some strong drumming. Wahn, with its strange vocalizations, is a fav track as both the vocals and instrumentation become more menacing in a buildup and then recedes peacefully. I can see why john Peel liked this so much. 4AS That brings me to Zeit. This is one of those albums that doesn't get played much, and you must be in a certain mood to even attempt to play it, but I always enjoy it. Where did they came up with the idea for the moaning cellos that sound like they are in pain? This is definitely not to be played with the lights out for total relaxation but it should not be played at parties either. It is one of the most difficult albums to listen to. For me its like listening to some of King Crimson such as 'Red', in that it is very difficult but its very rewarding. Its either 1AS or 4AS depending on when you play it. The last album is Green Desert. For people who don't like when Edgar & Chris changes originals, this is another example. It definitely has sounds on it that do not show up before and do not appear many years after 1973 and thte production is much cleaner. Having said that but believing that if it makes it better than change it, I am a big fan of this album. It got some beautiful sequencing, sound effects, and excellent mellotron. It also has some serious Franke drumming. Does anyone know its origin of the drumming, 73 or 86? Indian Summer is one of the best tracks to kick back to that was ever put to disc (IMHO!!!!). A well balanced album and enjoyable end to end. 5AS Its been a while since I listen to some of these. Thanks for reminding me of some of the great early music. I have been listening recently to a bunch of the newer CD's (Quinoa, Ambient Monkeys, Transsiberia, Goblins Club). I was beginning to feel like TD was, for me, washed up. If Mars Polaris wasn't really to my liking, I was about to give up on them. MP, is a very good piece of work so my faith has been restored but I wish they would add someone with the chops of Schmoelling or Haslinger . I do though think I'm going to pass on the 2 Atlantic and 2 Hollywood albums because the impression I get is that much of this music is on other CD's. Is it true? Can anyone tell me the sound quality of the CD's of the five albums? I'm thinking of replacing all except EM. Thanks, Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18198 Re: D:Studio In the Beginning Marcel Engels Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB From: Mats Nordlinder From: jupe > > Otro pequeño Mpg de un video de la epoca Schmoelling . Eran buenos > tiempos ....... ahora no lo son .... > > http://members.xoom.com/tdfans/jupebois.mpg > > Another Mpg from Schmoelling age. > > Bye > > Jupe From: Gabe Yedid From: Mats Nordlinder > > Hi there ! > > When I'm not listening to Tangerine Dream I often put on some > 'Psychedelic Trance' or 'Goa-Trance' as some people > tend to call it...(it´s what they often play at those 'rave-parties' you > know) > The other day I listened to a compilation from a german record-company > called SpiritZone and a guy with the name > of Steve Schroyder hade a track under the name 'Star Sounds > Orchestra.....hmmmmmmmmm..... wasn´t that guy in > early TD?? I thought for myself ? naaaaaaah....it can´t be > him......BUT !!...it is !! > I checked it up and yes it´s true....he has released 2 albums as 'Star > Sounds Orchestra' together with Jens Zygar. > Maybe this is old news but it sure was unknown to me. > > Mats, Stockholm Schroyder is doing *Goa* with SSO now??? Oh well... just so you know that's not typical of the SSO project...I'm not sure what is. I have two tracks from the album _Phantastische Phanomene_ (ooo I hope I got that right) and it sounds much more like _Rockoon_ than like Goa. Gabe From: Gabe Yedid From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 04-10-1999 1:03:27 AM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: > > << **Star Trooper > will show TD with a classical edge, featuring the music of: > > Skrjabin > Mozart > Haydn > Bach > Albinoni >> > > Weird title for a collection of classical edges. > Isn't that Skriabin? > > Phil Well, technically speaking, Mozart and Haydn are the only composers from the classical era. Back and Albinoni are Baroque and Scriabin (that's how we spell his name in North America) is Romantic (IIRC). The Germans, of course, do things differently ;) Gabe From: Gustavo Jobim Hi Folks, > >a short question: is 'tadream@o...' the only TD discussion forum >at the moment? >Or does a second list exist? > >Regards, >Helpless Heiko The lists in Onelist are tadream@o..., the 'official' (it has a link in the official tangerine dream homepage), and tangerinedream@o... . But I think almost everybody from tangerinedream is also a member of tadream. gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 5:37 pm Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? In a message dated 04-10-1999 11:26:09 AM EST, gabe@p... writes: << Well, technically speaking, Mozart and Haydn are the only composers from the classical era. Back and Albinoni are Baroque and Scriabin (that's how we spell his name in North America) is Romantic (IIRC). The Germans, of course, do things differently ;) Gabe >> That's why they're on the edges, I guess. I thought is was Bach, BTW. But America is _such_ a weird place. (c; Phil From: Steve Andersen From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > >Hi Folks, > >a short question: is 'tadream@o...' the only TD discussion forum >at the moment? >Or does a second list exist? > >Regards, > >Helpless Heiko > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Marcel Engels' From: PW098@a... > The last album is Green Desert. For people who don't like when Edgar & Chris > changes originals, this is another example. It definitely has sounds on it > that do not show up before and do not appear many years after 1973 and thte > production is much cleaner. Having said that but believing that if it makes > it better than change it, I am a big fan of this album. It got some > beautiful sequencing, sound effects, and excellent mellotron. I'm also a big fan of this album...but I hear no mellotron on it...nowhere...which also shows that it isn't a '73 recording imo. Everything they did in that period had mellotrons on it...but this not. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Thomas' From: 'Marcel Engels' > >> From: PW098@a... > >> The last album is Green Desert. For people who don't like when Edgar & >Chris >> changes originals, this is another example. It definitely has sounds on >it >> that do not show up before and do not appear many years after 1973 and >thte >> production is much cleaner. Having said that but believing that if it >makes >> it better than change it, I am a big fan of this album. It got some >> beautiful sequencing, sound effects, and excellent mellotron. > >I'm also a big fan of this album...but I hear no mellotron on >it...nowhere...which also shows that it isn't a '73 recording imo. >Everything they did in that period had mellotrons on it...but this not. > >Marcel Hi Marcel! Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Green Desert' basically re-recorded in '84? In such case that might explain the abscent Mellotron... Thomas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18200 Re: SV: D:Studio In the Beginning PNaunton@a... Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB From: PNaunton@a... Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 6:21 pm Subject: Re: SV: D:Studio In the Beginning In a message dated 04-10-1999 12:52:35 PM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: << Hi Marcel! Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Green Desert' basically re-recorded in '84? In such case that might explain the abscent Mellotron... Thomas >> The drumming on Green Desert - Green Desert sounds much too well recorded, IMO, to be vintage 1973, but I've been wrong before. This could be the second time. Phil N. From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 PNaunton@a... wrote: > From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 04-10-1999 11:26:09 AM EST, gabe@p... writes: > > << Well, technically speaking, Mozart and Haydn are the only composers from > the classical era. Back and Albinoni are Baroque and Scriabin (that's how > we spell his name in North America) is Romantic (IIRC). The Germans, of > course, do things differently ;) > > Gabe >> > > That's why they're on the edges, I guess. > > I thought is was Bach, BTW. But America is _such_ a weird place. ^^^^^^ > (c; > > Phil You're right, my typo. Can't blame that one on the insensitivity of my lab machine's keyboard. But 'is was'??? Is it just you Phil, or are all Europeans so temporally challenged? ;) (this, of course, from the land where A is different TO B and not different FROM...) Gabe From: Steve Jenkins Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 7:09 pm Subject: Streethawk Anyone care to hazard a guess at what Streethawk tracks appear on what releases? Need the info for a friend. Thanks Steve np: my new Korg N5 along with 'Rush of Joy' aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18212 Re: Streethawk Michael A. Jean Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18213 Re: Streethawk upnsm0ke Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18214 Re: Streethawk Jim Moore Tue 10/5/1999 2 KB 18215 Re: Streethawk Michael A. Jean Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18219 Re: Streethawk yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18220 Re: Streethawk Dale Tue 10/5/1999 2 KB 18234 Re: Streethawk John Gentile Wed 10/6/1999 3 KB 18235 Re: Streethawk John Gentile Wed 10/6/1999 3 KB 21500 Streethawk Heiko Heerssen Wed 3/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 7:40 pm Subject: RE: TD list There are two lists, both run on ONElist.com's servers: 1) tadream@o... (this one), and 2) tangerinedream@o... (unmoderated) It is an unmoderated list set up by Joel Mullen, one of our esteemed moderators here at tadream. The idea is that having one moderated and one unmoderated list pretty much covers the bases for everyone: some people like an 'anything goes' unmoderated atmosphere, and some like to have moderators. Since you are already registered at onelist.com, you can subscribe by simply sending an e-mail to tangerinedream-subscribe@o... (see you there!) -Joe > -----Original Message----- > >From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > >a short question: is 'tadream@o...' the only TD discussion forum > >at the moment? > >Or does a second list exist? From: Steve Whiteley Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 8:16 pm Subject: RE: Green Desert Night time or Day? I've listen to so many TD CDs in the desert, definitly my band of choice. I can see the heat waves dancing with Green Desert. As with most of TD Albums they seem to become intwined in my memory with the events in my life at the time of first listening. After a day of backcountry telemark skiing between the giant sequoias I made it back to my car at twilight. After making some soup and hot tea under the brillant stars I began my drive home. When Green Desert started I was just beginning down the steep road under Moro rock, wave after wave of warm fog began to flow by. The fog waves were so insync with the music that I pulled over next to a water fall to watch and listen. I'll never forget it. The music has a awesome power to it. Warm vibrations. Green Desert gets more play time from me than all the earlier releases together, more than Pheadra, less than Rubycon. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30379 Re: Green Desert Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30380 Re: Green Desert toby.braddick@u... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30382 Re: Green Desert Matthew Stringer Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB 30381 Re: Green Desert Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30409 Re: Green Desert timing braddito Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30389 Re: Green Desert John Vertical Tue 12/4/2001 4 KB 30430 Re: Green Desert Scott Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 8:45 pm Subject: Re: D:Green Desert From: Marcel Engels > I'm also a big fan of this album...but I hear no mellotron on > it...nowhere... You sure ? Check track 1! What do you hear at the 3:17 mark ? That's a mellotron choir FOR SURE - an unlooped to be precise. I also hear a few instruments that fit well into the proposed recording time of August 1973 - the VCS3 Putney, Solina Strings through a phaser, the Mini Moog (melody on track two). Of course the sound is way clearer/cleaner than on Phaedra for example- it could well be denoised and remixed in 1984. I'm not too sure about the melody flute on track two (around 3:40), that's added and reminds me a bit on Stuntman. Also the melody on track 3 is surely added later on and I hardly believe the sequences on that track were done with a PRX II rhythm controller triggering a mini moog - that track most likely is a fake (although the played transposed quint is simple enough for TD 73 and could well be played manually to the all_notes at_the_same_pitch (echo)_sequence_pattern (that could be done by trigering a mini moog with an annalogue rhythm controller). All in all 5 different notes, 3 at one time - the art of sequencing ! 8-) Nah, not really. ;-) Track 4 sounds like a left over from stuntman again. Well, we'll never know what exactly was recorded in 73 and what was added in 84. In the meanwhile enjoy what you got. :-) Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18206 Re: D:Green Desert Marcel Engels Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 9:39 pm Subject: Re: D:Green Desert > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > You sure ? Check track 1! What do you hear at the 3:17 mark ? > That's a mellotron choir FOR SURE - an unlooped to be precise. Oops...You're right... :-) Yes, it is the choir...how could I have forgotten that!!! > In the meanwhile enjoy what you got. :-) Exactly my point! I wonder how it would sound like if they released it now for the first time... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 10:04 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Atem] > How about asking a native German ??? > Atem = (the) breath > atmen = (to) breath > atmend = (to be) breathing > Hope this helps > Jens I always wondered... but were too afraid to ask. Anyway Jens, I thought your native language was pissed up English?!! :-) L lawrysimm@u... (old) ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Victor Rek Date: Mon Oct 4, 1999 11:15 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Green Desert] > The album starts off with a dark and ominous feel for the first few > minutes, before some laid back drumming (in comparison to drumming on > earlier albums) and some mellow guitar stroking come on board to show > what a departure this is becoming from the earlier material. To me, > this actually sounds later than 1973... more like 1977. This album always reminds me of Pink Floyd's Ummagumma (1969). Which I think is great! For those that know Pink Floyd - take a listen and compare? ;-) Vic From: 'upnsm0ke' Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 1:29 am Subject: Drumming On Green Desert > From: PNaunton@a... > >The drumming on Green Desert - Green Desert sounds much too well >recorded, IMO, to be vintage 1973, but I've been wrong before. This could >the second time. No way would Chris have gotten behind his kit again in the 80s. The drums were definitely done back in '73. E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18221 Re: Drumming On Green Desert Gabe Yedid Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18224 Re: Drumming On Green Desert upnsm0ke Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18237 Re: Drumming On Green Desert PNaunton@a... Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB 18255 Re: Drumming On Green Desert Gabe Yedid Wed 10/6/1999 2 KB 18262 Re: Drumming On Green Desert PNaunton@xxx.xxx Thu 10/7/1999 3 KB 18268 Re: Drumming On Green Desert Joe Shoults Thu 10/7/1999 1 KB From: PNaunton@a... Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 1:29 am Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? In a message dated 04-10-1999 2:05:53 PM EST, gabe@p... writes: << But 'is was'??? Is it just you Phil, or are all Europeans so temporally challenged? ;) (this, of course, from the land where A is different TO B and not different FROM...) Gabe >> From the French - touche. I'm actually first generation US. An import from the land of lorries, lifts, and lunatics. Phil L. From: 'shoults' Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 12:39 am Subject: RE: TD list you can sub to it by sending a blank e-mail to tangerinedream-subscribe@o... -----Original Message----- From: upnsm0ke [mailto:upnsm0ke@g...] There's also tangerinedream@o... (unmoderated) E-Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerßen > a short question: is 'tadream@o...' the only TD discussion forum > at the moment? > Or does a second list exist? From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 2:13 am Subject: RE: Streethawk The Streethwak theme appears on LeParc...No other Streethawk tracks appear anywhere else.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve@l...] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 2:09 PM > To: tangerinedream@o...; tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Streethawk > > > From: Steve Jenkins > > Anyone care to hazard a guess at what Streethawk tracks appear on what > releases? Need the info for a friend. Thanks > From: 'upnsm0ke' From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > The Streethwak theme appears on LeParc...No other Streethawk tracks >appear anywhere else.... An episode of Streethawk featured a great sequencer piece which later resurfaced, albeit reworked and with an added vocoder effect/intro by Hans Bosch, on Johannes Schmoelling's debut album, WUIVEND REIT, as 'Zeit (for Stefan).' E-Man np: Nolan/Wakeman, _Jabberwocky_ From: 'Jim Moore' -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve@l...] >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 3:09 PM >To: tangerinedream@o...; tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Streethawk > > >From: Steve Jenkins > >Anyone care to hazard a guess at what Streethawk tracks appear on what >releases? Need the info for a friend. Thanks > >Steve >np: my new Korg N5 along with 'Rush of Joy' aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!! > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing >original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed >from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Michael A. Jean' >appear anywhere else.... > > An episode of Streethawk featured a great sequencer piece which later > resurfaced, albeit reworked and with an added vocoder effect/intro by Hans > Bosch, on Johannes Schmoelling's debut album, WUIVEND REIT, as 'Zeit (for > Stefan).' > > E-Man > np: Nolan/Wakeman, _Jabberwocky_ > From: kstratos0@xxxxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 4:58 am Subject: TD-Beach House Does anyone know how many versions of 'Beach House' have been released? I have the 2 versions from 'Thief', the remix from 'Tangents' and a live one from 'Valentine Wheels-Shepherds Bush Concert'. Are there any more? Thanx. From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'Joe Shoults' > > There are two lists, both run on ONElist.com's servers: > > 1) tadream@o... (this one), and > 2) tangerinedream@o... (unmoderated) > > Since you are already registered at onelist.com, you can subscribe by simply > sending an e-mail to tangerinedream-subscribe@o... (see you there!) Thanks Joel (and thanks to all the other people who directed me towards the 'other' list)! I subscribed to it yesterday. Heiko From: Mats Nordlinder From: Gabe Yedid > > Schroyder is doing *Goa* with SSO now??? > Oh well... > just so you know that's not typical of the SSO project...I'm not sure what > is. I have two tracks from the album _Phantastische Phanomene_ (ooo I > hope I got that right) and it sounds much more like _Rockoon_ than like > Goa. > > Gabe As a matter of fact the track with SSO didn´t sound like typical hard and fast 'Goa' to me, more like slow soft ambient trance with unusual soundsamplings. But it was a rather nice track. Mats np : Valentine Wheels From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 8:39 am Subject: Re: Streethawk >From: 'Michael A. Jean' > >The Streethwak theme appears on LeParc...No other Streethawk tracks appear >anywhere else.... > You forgot that Diamond Diary was sed as an opening of an episode. There also was the Zeit track released after on the first schmoelling LP. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Dale' To: tadream@o... Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Streethawk >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > > > >>From: 'Michael A. Jean' >> >>The Streethwak theme appears on LeParc...No other Streethawk tracks appear >>anywhere else.... >> > > >You forgot that Diamond Diary was sed as an opening of an episode. >There also was the Zeit track released after on the first schmoelling LP. > > >Yannick Edom >Mirage Créations >Champlain B7 A 101 >47 Chemin de Pelleport >31500 TOULOUSE >FRANCE >e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Gabe Yedid From: 'upnsm0ke' > > > From: PNaunton@a... > > > >The drumming on Green Desert - Green Desert sounds much too well > >recorded, IMO, to be vintage 1973, but I've been wrong before. This could > >the second time. > > No way would Chris have gotten behind his kit again in the 80s. The drums > were definitely done back in '73. > > E-Man Hadn't Chris gotten rid of his drums by the time they recorded _Phaedra_? So, then, do you think the guitar likely to be vintage, or added in? (Personally, I don't think it sounds very much like Froese's '70s style...) Gabe From: Gabe Yedid From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 04-10-1999 2:05:53 PM EST, gabe@p... writes: > > << But 'is was'??? > Is it just you Phil, or are all Europeans so temporally challenged? ;) > (this, of course, from the land where A is different TO B and not > different FROM...) > > Gabe > >> > > From the French - touche. > > I'm actually first generation US. An import from the land of lorries, > lifts, and lunatics. > > Phil L. So, is that the PC term in the US for 'landed immigrant' these days? ;) As I learned it, one can only be a first-generation _______an if one is born on that country's soil of immigrant parents. I guess that makes me a 1.5th-generation Canadian, since one of my parent was born here (to immigrant parents) and the other *is* an immigrant. To get this on topic: does that make Jerome Froese a 1.5er also? Edgar was technically not born in Germany...don't know about Monica... ;) ;) ;) Gabe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Davis [mailto:artshop@a...] ...> > The appropriate vocalist could really have made this whole concept come > alive! Jon Anderson wouldn't have been a bad choice. Or perhaps a > classical vocal ensemble. After all, some of TD isn't that far > removed from > the musical concepts of Philip Glass. Anyone else have some > thoughts on this? > From: 'upnsm0ke' From: Gabe Yedid > > > > > No way would Chris have gotten behind his kit again in the 80s. The drums > > were definitely done back in '73. > > > > E-Man > > Hadn't Chris gotten rid of his drums by the time they recorded _Phaedra_? > > So, then, do you think the guitar likely to be vintage, or added in? > (Personally, I don't think it sounds very much like Froese's '70s > style...) It's pretty safe to assume so, but unlike his more recent Tangentizing efforts, the guitar blends in so well, it's hard to say. If the original master was lower and the added guitar track was this much *louder* then we'd know for sure, but as it stands, the title track (of G.D.) smokes :-) E-Man From: Glenn Reinicke From: 'Brian M. Frick' From: 'Lawry Simm' I'm not too sure about the melody flute on track two (around 3:40), > that's added and reminds me a bit on Stuntman. > Track 4 sounds like a left over from stuntman again. Funny you should say that... I got the same impression when I was listening to it... so much so that I checked the date of Stuntman (1979) but discounted it because it wasn't from 1973 or 1984..... but the echoes of it can be found on GD for sure. Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Gustavo Jobim Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18229 Re: Schmoelling's Wuivend Reit Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18230 Re: Schmoelling's Wuivend Reit Owens James Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18231 Re: Schmoelling's Wuivend Reit Joe Shoults Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 5, 1999 9:44 pm Subject: Re: Schmoelling's Wuivend Reit In a message dated 10/5/99 9:32:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!, gustavfj@m... writes: << Hello all. Anyone here knows JS's Wuivend Reit album? I've seen the vinyl for sale, but I never listened to it. Is it good? What does it look like? gfj >> I happen to like this one a lot, and consider it his best solo but some don't care for it as it's perhaps a little 'jazzier' than most Em fans are used to, but don't let that scare you away, It's not THAT jazzy... I think it's a very sophisticated album and would recommend it to anyone who likes the Schmoelling era. Poly From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hello all. > Anyone here knows JS's Wuivend Reit album? I've seen the vinyl for sale, > but I never listened to it. Is it good? What does it look like? > From: 'Joe Shoults' gustavfj@m... writes: > > << Hello all. > Anyone here knows JS's Wuivend Reit album? I've seen the vinyl for sale, > but I never listened to it. Is it good? What does it look like? > gfj >> From: 'Thomas' From: Gustavo Jobim > >Hello all. >Anyone here knows JS's Wuivend Reit album? I've seen the vinyl for sale, >but I never listened to it. Is it good? What does it look like? > Hello. 'Wuivend Riet' is a wonderful album, powerful, full of sequencer stuff, very rhythmical. I especially like the 'Zeit (for Stephan)' track. It's in my opinion his best solo album. Remember while listening to it that it is from the same year 'LeParc' was made. See if you can draw some parallells. I don't think you'll regret buying it, but if you do - I'd like to buy the vinyl copy you've found (mine's getting worn) ;o) Thomas From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 2:52 am Subject: K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII Can someone offer a good and affordable source for this in the US? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18245 Re: K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB 18246 Re: K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII shoults Wed 10/6/1999 1 KB 18247 Re: K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII Rhen, Kris Wed 10/6/1999 2 KB 18261 Re: K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII Victor Rek Thu 10/7/1999 1 KB From: 'John Gentile' Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 6:59 am Subject: Re: Streethawk Jim You are listening to the best Klaus Schulze album ever X IMHO John(pianoman) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Moore To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 7:56 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Streethawk > From: 'Jim Moore' > > There are some overlaps of THIEF in Streethawk. I've also > heard some Vision Quest material (and a inkling of Schmoelling's > 'Zeit for Stephan')... > > - jim > > Now Playing: Klaus Schulze - X > ============================================== > 'You're not dying -- you just can't think of anything good to do!' > -- Ferris Bueller's Day Off > jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve@l...] > >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 3:09 PM > >To: tangerinedream@o...; tadream@o... > >Subject: [tadream] Streethawk > > > > > >From: Steve Jenkins > > > >Anyone care to hazard a guess at what Streethawk tracks appear on what > >releases? Need the info for a friend. Thanks > > > >Steve > >np: my new Korg N5 along with 'Rush of Joy' aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!! > > > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > >original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed > >from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'John Gentile' Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 7:06 am Subject: Re: Streethawk Dale Thief soundtrack is out on CD at Harmony House in Michigan also on the web It was my first and had such a profound effect on me To me there is no better sound track by TD IMHO John (pianoman) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Streethawk > From: 'Dale' > > On the subject of Diamond Diary, I am looking for a CD of the sound track of > The Thief. I have a vinyl of it and would like to complete my CD collection. > Diamond Diary is a very powerful cut. Anyone out there who can help? > > dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edom Yannick > To: tadream@o... > Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Streethawk > > > >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > > > > > > > >>From: 'Michael A. Jean' > >> > >>The Streethwak theme appears on LeParc...No other Streethawk tracks appear > >>anywhere else.... > >> > > > > > >You forgot that Diamond Diary was sed as an opening of an episode. > >There also was the Zeit track released after on the first schmoelling LP. > > > > > >Yannick Edom > >Mirage Créations > >Champlain B7 A 101 > >47 Chemin de Pelleport > >31500 TOULOUSE > >FRANCE > >e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send > a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: PNaunton@a... Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 4:29 am Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? In a message dated 05-10-1999 8:32:41 AM EST, gabe@p... writes: << Edgar was technically not born in Germany...don't know about Monica... ;) ;) ;) Gabe >> What is Edgar's land of origin? Phil N. From: PNaunton@a... Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 4:29 am Subject: Re: Drumming On Green Desert In a message dated 05-10-1999 8:14:20 AM EST, gabe@p... writes: << So, then, do you think the guitar likely to be vintage, or added in? (Personally, I don't think it sounds very much like Froese's '70s style...) Gabe >> Not unless it's overdubbed to the max. His style then was much more choppy and thoughtful, IMO. ] Phil N. (Generation Zero) From: 'upnsm0ke' Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 4:52 am Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? Tilsit, which is now (renamed?) in territory that once belonged to the ex-USSR E-Man ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? > From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 05-10-1999 8:32:41 AM EST, gabe@p... writes: > > << Edgar was technically not born in Germany...don't know about Monica... > > ;) ;) ;) > > Gabe >> > > What is Edgar's land of origin? > > Phil N. > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: PNaunton@a... Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 4:58 am Subject: Froese's 'Ages' After years of looking I've finally managed to snag a copy of 'Ages' off of E-bay for a few bucks. It seems to be in mint condition - and on VINYL! It appears to be a German issue, but I am not quite sure. Can anyone else help out here? It's on Virgin, Copyright 1978, Printed 1978, Catalog Number 25 756-406 Next to the tiny Virgin logo is reads 'Im Ariola-Vertrieb' and under that 'Printed in Western Germany by ......' Also the copyright warnings on the labels are written in German followed by English. This is the first set of LPs I've purchased this year. Rather a long hiatus. Phil N. From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 5:49 am Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? > From: 'upnsm0ke' > > Tilsit, which is now (renamed?) in territory that once belonged to the > ex-USSR Well, it belonged to Germany in 1944 when Edgar was born. Tilsit was part of East Prussia and has been occupied long before WW1. It still was part of Germany between the world wars and during WW2. After WW2 it has been occupied by the USSR and is now part of Lithuania. So, Gabe, Edgar was born in Germany (which isn't really important actually), technically. This has been a public service especially for the North Americans in our midst - I can't believe how few some of you know about the history of Europe. Well, it really is more important to know who the 17th or 18th president of the States has been, eh ? Jens, the cynic From: 'Thomas' Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 6:13 am Subject: SV: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? Hello. Tilsit, Lithuania. It's not renamed. Thomas >From: 'upnsm0ke' > >Tilsit, which is now (renamed?) in territory that once belonged to the >ex-USSR > >E-Man > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 9:29 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? > > >> From: PNaunton@a... >> >> In a message dated 05-10-1999 8:32:41 AM EST, gabe@p... >writes: >> >> << Edgar was technically not born in Germany...don't know about Monica... >> >> ;) ;) ;) >> >> Gabe >> >> >> What is Edgar's land of origin? >> >> Phil N. From: 'Thomas' Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 6:25 am Subject: SV: Froese's 'Ages' >From: PNaunton@a... >>After years of looking I've finally managed to snag a copy of 'Ages' off of E-bay for a few bucks. It seems to be in mint condition - and on VINYL! >>It appears to be a German issue, but I am not quite sure. Can anyone else help out here? It's on Virgin, Copyright 1978, Printed 1978, Catalog Number 25 756-406. Next to the tiny Virgin logo is reads 'Im Ariola-Vertrieb' and under that 'Printed in Western Germany by ......' Also the copyright warnings on the labels are written in German followed by English. >>This is the first set of LPs I've purchased this year. Rather a long hiatus. >>Phil N. ---------------------- Hi Phil! 1978 Ages Edgar Froese Klaus Krieger * 11:00 Metropolis (Inspired by Fritz Lang's movie) * 08:05 Era of the Slaves * 21:06 Tropic of Capricorn * 09:00 Nights of Automatic Women * 09:07 Icarus * 04:21 Children's Deeper Study * 04:39 Ode to Granny A. * 07:30 Pizarro and Atahuallpa * 08:30 Golgatha and the Circle Closes 2LP Virgin VD 2507 (UK) 2LP Virgin 25 756 XBT (Germany) 2LP Virgin 25 756 XD (Spain) CD Virgin CDOVD480 (UK) (does not contain last track) That is the information I have in my discography (which I hope is correct). Judging by the facts you mention it should definetly be the German issue. I felt lucky when I purchased the 2LP from a private contact, only when it arrived it was the Spanish pressing which sounds horrific. The German pressing is probably much better. Good on you! Cheers, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18250 Re: SV: Froese's 'Ages' PNaunton@xxx.xxx Wed 10/6/1999 2 KB From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 6:40 am Subject: Main Topic for a While or Number One on Wanted List. A Reply I am sorry to have missed all of your kind words over the past few weeks. Maybe I'll still be able to subscibe... I have been told by a couple of my friends that I have become a topic...I am know beginning to believe that indeed the end of the world is comming..... Unfortunately I do not have the original notes to be able to reply to you, but here is a reply to what I have gathered from my friends (At least I hope so). Am I a Deadbeat. NO.. I am screwing people out of anything? NO.. which brings up a need for a definition. What is a trade??? This kids is were you trade something and I give you something. I have not PROFITTED IN ANY OF MY So Called Trades!!!!! Blank discs you get back and you pay for postage (In the form of a cheque or blanks). Under this definition. I get nothing for the transaction and you get something (When you actually receive it (but I haven't) good point, we will work something out in the e-mail to satisfy that request). Why not make a profit, some have...I was just trying to do people a favour. Ask Kevin, Eric or Sean M. they might agree). I too am a TD fan and know what it feels like to have so little material and others who seem to have it all. Share the wealth but for god's sake, back the band financially wherever possible! So why have you not received your goods in a timely manner. This Year (Florence, I know you don't buy this, but coming from you I expect no less), I have lost my e-mail twice, went through a burner and upon installation had to re-install Windows 95, a death in the family (Again, lame excuse Florence?). Understand something, I ran a SOD and RDE tree amd take a guess how many cd's were done for a lot of people (Some who did not even say thank you) Ah, you might ask, how much did I profit on that (one burned out burner).Mark that's a good deal. Another excuse, I have been on a project from work that has consumed a lot of time in the last 5 months. Should I have voluntered to help out a few people. No, I should not have, given that I would not be able to meet my committement in a timely manner. I apologize and I promise not to volunteer again..than guess what, you lose a topic! Any other excuses are no damm business of yours (Sounds better, hey FLO). I have the copies ready to go, all I need is addresses, I have misplaced them (Mark not another excuse....FLO here). Please send them and my conscience will be clearer but I will always carry the guilt. It's getting very late...I'll give you PART II tomorrow. I'll explain the song by ELTON JOHN...the bitch is back.. Also we find out tomorrow we find out why COREL is in such rough shape...and if anyone has FLO's notes, please forward them.....I would like to have another chuckle..I'm afraid that we all laugh too little. Sorry to waste your time, but you have wasted a lot of time on me......there the rub. From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 8:32 am Subject: Re: Re: (tadream) Proposed Releases? In a message dated 10/6/99 5:52:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jpeschke@h... writes: << This has been a public service especially for the North Americans in our midst - I can't believe how few some of you know about the history of Europe. Well, it really is more important to know who the 17th or 18th president of the States has been, eh ? Jens, the cynic >> * What could be more important than knowing where Tilsit is or was? I'm sure there is absolutely no bias at all in the history classes taught in Europe. None at all. Poly From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 9:46 am Subject: Re: K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII Hi all >From: Victor Rek > >K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII > >Can someone offer a good and affordable source for this in the US? > >Vic > I've got the original CD and in Toulouse in France there are some original sealed CDs still in store for sale. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'shoults' K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII Can someone offer a good and affordable source for this in the US? Vic Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Rhen, Kris' -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:53 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII > > > From: Victor Rek > > K. Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog VIII > > Can someone offer a good and affordable source for this in the US? > > Vic > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Get EXPERT CONTENT at ONElist! > Join PROS&PUNDITS. For details go to: > Click Here > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be > removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Alan Benson' From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 1:26 pm Subject: Re: Re: 'Streehawk' demo CD? Hi everyone I don't know if there is an official Demo CD of Streethawk (i doubt there is one). But we could find a double CD(R) boot called Streethawk Demo cut (or Rough cuts). This items is simply a recording of the soundtrack of the different episode of the TV serie with sounds effects and sometimes dialogues. If there is an Official CD it would be great to see a cover or listening to the result. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... >From: 'Alan Benson' > >Hi All! > > This was just posted in postscript (type) form yesterday in >the tangerinedream OneList (unmoderated). As this question >is allowable here, I thought to cross post it since I've noted that >'Streethawk' (from 'Le Parc' and the TV series of the same >name), has been mentioned more than once in the last week. >Here is the question: >_____________________________________________________ > >Re: 'Streethawk' demo CD? > > A reader (Christian Russell), asked on the TDI guestbook recently >a question re: 'Streethawk' demo CD and even provided me with a >jpg of it (1_streeth.jpg, 3.84 KB). The artwork is similar to the Jive >Electro (London, UK), T 101, 1985 vinyl release (also issued by JE, >Madrid, Spain, T 101, in the same year). But I don't have the Madrid >album edition in my TD vinyl collection. So, I'm just guessing that the >artwork is probably the same. It's the one with an eagle that faces left >(with two reddish stripes going through the head diagonally bottom left >to top right, etc.). > >The jpg is much to small to enlarge, so reading additional information >here is out of the question. I did my very best with an answer (posted >10/04 in the TDI guestbook), but thought to ask the collective TD group >here: Does anybody know anything about a CD demo of 'Streethawk?' >It's always a great pleasure to get to the 'real truth' when it comes to >the massive and complex TD discography (published or unpublished), >of our favorite group: 'Tangerine Dream.' Many thanks to all! -- Al >_____________________________________________________ > >Does anyone here know anything about this? > >Best Regards, > >Al >Berkeley, CA / USA > >PS: This is lawyers week to finalize my WCAB case >(more info than you need to know!). But, soon I'll >have all this resolved and well behind me. I'm looking >forward to once again placing my full attention back >onto the TD OneList (both moderated & unmoderated). >Also, will try to finish the 2nd wave of TD stuff out soon >(hope that's phrased OK Joe? :-). I'll have one other >cross post on another subject as a favor for a TD friend >(Phaedra_TD), very shortly. I just need to get through >this one bloody day! Lawyers, thank God their on my >side of the fence this time around. 'nuff said! ;-) > >NP: The 'Golden Age' TD Classic: 'Phaedra.' >Introduced to the world when the legendary DJ John >Peel (BBC 'Top Gem' radio) played: 'Mysterious >Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares' for the very >first time on April 9, 1974! >************************************************************** > > > >__________________________________________ >NetZero - Defenders of the Free World >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 12:51 pm Subject: Re: SV: Froese's 'Ages' In a message dated 06-10-1999 1:26:04 AM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: << 2LP Virgin VD 2507 (UK) 2LP Virgin 25 756 XBT (Germany) 2LP Virgin 25 756 XD (Spain) CD Virgin CDOVD480 (UK) (does not contain last track) That is the information I have in my discography (which I hope is correct). Judging by the facts you mention it should definetly be the German issue. I felt lucky when I purchased the 2LP from a private contact, only when it arrived it was the Spanish pressing which sounds horrific. The German pressing is probably much better. Good on you! Cheers, Thomas >> Actually the Individual label numbers are 25 754 XT & 25 755 XT, so this seems close to your numbers for the German issue. Thank you for the information. Phil N. From: 'Thomas' From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > >Hi everyone > >I don't know if there is an official Demo CD of Streethawk (i doubt there is one). But we could find a double CD(R) boot called Streethawk Demo cut (or Rough cuts). >This items is simply a recording of the soundtrack of the different episode of the TV serie with sounds effects and sometimes dialogues. Hello! I'll confirm that. I actually have the .jpg file you're talking about. I doubt however the CDR is worth owning. CDR1 has 89 tracks, and CDR2 has 69 tracks, and more than half of them are shorter than 1 minute. Makes 'Dead Solid Perfect' sound like a dream come true! Anyway, if anybody's interested in the scan, contact me offlist, and I'll send it to you. Have a great day! Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden PS. Sorry for mentioning bootlegs, Joe! Hope you don't mind this once :o) From: John McIntyre Does anyone know of any bootleg Hoenig work? I've > got Early Water, X-cept one, and of course the very important > Departure...(I consider this album to be as important as Stratosfear.) > Is there anything else to be had? Well, there's always the movies he did music for, such as _The Wraith_ and _The Blob_ (the remake, not the original). John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: AslanFan1@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 229 Canyone Dreams is going on ebay right now for .99 for those who are interested. From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 6, 1999 2:11 pm Subject: D:Studio [Atem] (A little late, but what the ...) Atem [1973] Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Peter Baumann Atem Fauni Gena Circulation of Events Wahn If you recall my previous ramblings about Alpha Centauri, you'll remember that I got this quite early on in my TD 'career', but never got into it as much as AC. It still doesn't get as much play as that excellent album, but certainly scores higher than both Electronic Meditation and Zeit. The album opens with the same feel as AC, with 'organ' sounds, effects and, of course, those frantic drums again. But after a less than six minutes, there is a change of pace and, with that, I see TD bid farewell to the early years. Having said that, before they leave for good, they do revisit their space/ambient side with a reprise of Zeit-style music which is not quite as bad as that album, but not far off. The album's second track (Fauni-Gena) is a very 'descriptive' piece - the simulated bird sounds are very well done (for their day) and the overall feel is of peace and tranquillity. However, I feel the Mellotron is overused. Some of you may know that I am not a fan of this piece of equipment and, in this particular case, I really don't like it. This does surprise me a little as I did enjoy the flute-work on Alpha, particularly. I don't know if I am prejudiced against this piece because I _know_ it's not a real flute, or if it is the playing I do not like. Circulation ... flows by with minimal impact - something which cannot be said of Wahn. I love this track - a return to the Electronic Meditation-style of experimentation and totally unexpected within the peaceful context of the majority of the remainder of the album. It is this which pulls the score of the album up to 3AS. BTW, real fans of this album may wish to seek out Artemiy Artemiev's Point of Intersection which 'borrows' significant chunks of both the title track and Wahn for one of AA's tracks. When mentioned on the other list some time ago, there was some debate as to whether this was sampling the Atem album or using the Mellotron tapes used on Atem. I don't know if that discussion was ever put to bed definitively. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabe Yedid From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 05-10-1999 8:14:20 AM EST, gabe@p... writes: > > << So, then, do you think the guitar likely to be vintage, or added in? > (Personally, I don't think it sounds very much like Froese's '70s > style...) > > Gabe >> > > Not unless it's overdubbed to the max. His style then was much more > choppy and thoughtful, IMO. I always love it when music is characterized as sounding 'thoughtful'...so, what do you think is 'unthoughtful' about his style today? If anything, I'd say he's gotten smoother and more emotional over the years, in some cases to the point of an almost wistful sentimentality. He was still a little 'psychedelic' sounding back in the '70s. Compare 'Coldwater Canyon' to the solo from 'Song of the Whale', 'Yucatan', or 'Magic Lantern'. Where do you think you'd draw the dividing line? ;) > Phil N. (Generation Zero) Gabe (Generation 1.5 and realizing that all my kids will also be fractional generations too, if they are born here) From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Lawry Simm' > > > I'm not too sure about the melody flute on track two (around 3:40), > > that's added and reminds me a bit on Stuntman. > > > Track 4 sounds like a left over from stuntman again. > > Funny you should say that... I got the same impression when I was > listening to it... so much so that I checked the date of Stuntman > (1979) but discounted it because it wasn't from 1973 or 1984..... but > the echoes of it can be found on GD for sure. > > Lawry I don't know...I'd say that, based on the timbres and key, it could sound like anything Edgar did between 1979 and 1983, more towards the Kamikaze/Pinnacles feel. Structurally, however, this track reminds me of nothing so much as...wait for it...'Mothers of Rain'! Both have the same basic structure of a repeating chord cycle with an improvised-feeling melody on a flute-like patch meandering over it. (The actual chords, key, and development differ, of course, and 'MoR' has more layers and percussion). I wonder if doing 'Indian Summer' (in its current form) served as an inspiration for 'Mothers of Rain'. Both _Green Desert_ and 'MoR' (in its *original* form) made their debuts the same year...Edgar could have liked how 'Indian Summer' turned out so much, he figured, 'I'll just roll off another track in a similar vein to use for something, sometime'. > lawrysimm@u... Gabe From: Klaus Beschorner Tilsit, Lithuania. It's not renamed. That depends on when your map is from. The USSR named it Sowjetsk, Lithuania changed it back to Tilsit. klaus From: Gustavo Jobim NP: The 'Golden Age' TD Classic: 'Phaedra.' >Introduced to the world when the legendary DJ John >Peel (BBC 'Top Gem' radio) played: 'Mysterious >Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares' for the very >first time on April 9, 1974! Mysterioussemblance@t... (what a big name) is my favourite track of Phaedra, but this is going to be discussed later...:) gfj's np Magnetic Fields part 1, Jean-Michel Jarre, live (Cities in Concert: Houston-Lyon). Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'Thomas' From: Klaus Beschorner > > >>Tilsit, Lithuania. It's not renamed. > >That depends on when your map is from. The USSR named it >Sowjetsk, Lithuania changed it back to Tilsit. > >klaus Thanks for providing the info, I did not know that. I guess we all learn something new every day, eh? Thomas From: 'Michael A. Jean' From Thomas at Wed, 06/Oct/99 08:58: Hello Webmaster, Just bought the re-release of 'Turn of the tides'.The CD contains 9 songs,but on the back cover are only 8 songs announced..?Again a mistake?You rememeber the declaration problems on the digital remastered cd`s(wrong name of band members,live instead of studio ect.) Please let me know,bye. Regards, Michael A. Jean Regards, Michael A. Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18430 (no subject) Michael A. Jean Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB 19486 (no subject) Armin Theissen Tue 11/30/1999 1 KB 19658 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 2 KB 19659 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19660 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19661 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 2 KB 19662 (no subject) Steven Feldman Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19663 (no subject) Gustavo Jobim Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 20871 (no subject) Eric Rochon Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB From: Victor Rek From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Oct 7, 1999 4:47 am Subject: Re: Drumming On Green Desert In a message dated 06-10-1999 1:55:13 PM EST, gabe@p... writes: << I always love it when music is characterized as sounding 'thoughtful'...so, what do you think is 'unthoughtful' about his style today? If anything, I'd say he's gotten smoother and more emotional over the years, in some cases to the point of an almost wistful sentimentality. He was still a little 'psychedelic' sounding back in the '70s. Compare 'Coldwater Canyon' to the solo from 'Song of the Whale', 'Yucatan', or 'Magic Lantern'. Where do you think you'd draw the dividing line? ;) >> I don't think that there is a dividing line, actually. It is all -- more to the point of development of style and confidence. A musician doesn't suddenly wake up one day as fully developed as Athena being birthed from Zeus' forehead. It all takes time and work. The term thoughtful was used more as an affect to describe from my point of view (&IMO) that Edgar at that moment in time was inclined to play sectionally rather than with 'flow.' When I heard 'Magic Lantern' I was totally blown away by his technical prowess _&_ 'flow.' I still have difficulty believing that this is him, and I listen to this track every few days. It is remarkable. Some years ago on the old list, I insisted that it was NOT Edgar - COULDN'T be. Ignorance is bliss. Anyway, at some point in the relationship of instrument and artist the union of the two becomes inseparable. You are unable to find the seams where one begins and the other ends. Like Charlie Parker or Thelonious Monk -- the music just seems to arrive complete in a wrapped gift box. There is no question about strengths or weaknesses -- that is irrelevant -- you just sit back and let it shower you with its magnificence. THAT is 'Magic Lantern' -- It breathes! 'Thoughtful' is me being aware of the process -- I can see the wires which support the magician's mechanisms. This diminishes the magic slightly. I can still appreciate it, but I don't have to use my hand to put my dropped jaw back into its normal position. Phil N. (Gen-0) From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Oct 7, 1999 9:43 am Subject: Re: 'Streethawk' demo CD? Re: 'Streethawk' demo CD? Thanks Yannick! & Thanks Thomas! Yes, as I suspected (after talking with Joel on the other 'unmoderated' list -- LOL). These are not demos but indeed the 'B' word in a double set CD-Rs format. But, it's not in my TDC and I couldn't compare the cover in the jpg, etc. I echo Thomas's comments entirely, if anyone need or wants it (the jpg 3.84 KB), just contact US off-list, PLEASE! In my follow-up posted in the OFFICIAL TDI HOME PAGE WEB SITE GUESTBOOK on Monday 10/04/99 (that will make Joe happy!), I mentioned this very fact. OK, so that Joe doesn't get too nervous will leave this one alone right here... One last comment for Thomas: > CDR1 has 89 tracks, and CDR2 has 69 tracks, and more > than half of them are shorter than 1 minute. Makes 'Dead > Solid Perfect' sound like a dream come true! LOL!!! Best Regards to ALL, Al Berkeley, CA / USA PS: The first to respond were right here in Tadream and not in the other TD list -- go figure... ************************************************** Message: 6 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:26:55 +0100 From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Subject: Re: Re: 'Streehawk' demo CD? > Hi everyone > > I don't know if there is an official Demo CD of Streethawk > (i doubt there is one). But we could find a double CD(R) boot > called Streethawk Demo cut (or Rough cuts). This items is > simply a recording of the soundtrack of the different episode > of the TV serie with sounds effects and sometimes dialogues. > > If there is an Official CD it would be great to see a cover or > listening to the result. > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... AND: Message: 8 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:29:23 +0200 From: 'Thomas' Subject: SV: Re: 'Streehawk' demo CD? >> From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) >> >> Hi everyone >> >> I don't know if there is an official Demo CD of Streethawk >> (i doubt there is one). But we could find a double CD(R) boot >> called Streethawk Demo cut (or Rough cuts). >> >> This items is simply a recording of the soundtrack of the different >> episode of the TV serie with sounds effects and sometimes dialogues. > > Hello! > > I'll confirm that. I actually have the .jpg file you're talking about. I > doubt however the CDR is worth owning. CDR1 has 89 tracks, > and CDR2 has 69 tracks, and more than half of them are shorter > than 1 minute. Makes 'Dead Solid Perfect' sound like a dream > come true! > > Anyway, if anybody's interested in the scan, contact me offlist, > and I'll send it to you. > > Have a great day! > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden > > PS. Sorry for mentioning bootlegs, Joe! Hope you don't mind this once :o) PPS: Thomas, I'm sure that Joe will forgive YOU this time -- LOL! -- Al ;-) ___________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18281 Re: 'Streethawk' demo CD? Alan Benson Fri 10/8/1999 1 KB From: EMC Holland From: EMC Holland From: 'Michael A. Jean' > >Excerpt from the guestbook.... > >Might this be Story of the Brave? ANyone know for sure? > > >>From Thomas at Wed, 06/Oct/99 08:58: >Hello Webmaster, >Just bought the re-release of 'Turn of the tides'.The CD contains 9 >songs,but on the back cover are only 8 songs announced..?Again >a mistake?You rememeber the declaration problems on the digital remastered >cd`s(wrong name of band members,live instead of >studio ect.) Please let me know,bye. I've just checked and yes, it's story of the brave :-) 5.21 instead of 5:17 (haven't checked the difference) np: tott - sotb All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www/groove.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: fsp@xxx.xx Date: Thu Oct 7, 1999 1:31 pm Subject: re: Latest info on E-Live, Oct 9th in the Netherlands >More new releases are announced but we have no definitive confirmation that >they will be ready. Well, I can confirm that my new CD 'Pointless Reminder' will be available on E-Live. In fact it is available right now! :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: EMC Holland From: EMC Holland > >At 19:33 6-10-99 -0500, you wrote: >>From: 'Michael A. Jean' >> >>Excerpt from the guestbook.... >> >>Might this be Story of the Brave? ANyone know for sure? >> >> >>>From Thomas at Wed, 06/Oct/99 08:58: >>Hello Webmaster, >>Just bought the re-release of 'Turn of the tides'.The CD contains 9 >>songs,but on the back cover are only 8 songs announced..?Again >>a mistake?You rememeber the declaration problems on the digital remastered >>cd`s(wrong name of band members,live instead of >>studio ect.) Please let me know,bye. > >I've just checked and yes, it's story of the brave :-) >5.21 instead of 5:17 (haven't checked the difference) > >np: tott - sotb Same applies for Tyranny of Beauty. Track #10 'Quaser' also isn't listed on the cover but is on the CD. With 3 seconds longer it clocks at 3:46 :-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... [mailto:PNaunton@a...] ... > Anyway, at some point in the relationship of instrument > and artist > the union of the two becomes inseparable. You are unable to find > the seams > where one begins and the other ends. Like Charlie Parker or > Thelonious Monk > -- the music just seems to arrive complete in a wrapped gift box. From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... > > << I always love it when music is characterized as sounding > 'thoughtful'...so, what do you think is 'unthoughtful' about his style > today? If anything, I'd say he's gotten smoother and more emotional over > the years, in some cases to the point of an almost wistful > sentimentality. He was still a little 'psychedelic' sounding back > in the '70s. Compare 'Coldwater Canyon' to the solo from 'Song of the > Whale', 'Yucatan', or 'Magic Lantern'. Where do you think you'd draw the > dividing line? ;) >> > > When I heard 'Magic Lantern' I was totally blown away by his > technical prowess _&_ 'flow.' I still have difficulty believing that this > is > him, and I listen to this track every few days. It is remarkable. Some > years > ago on the old list, I insisted that it was NOT Edgar - COULDN'T be. > Ignorance is bliss. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18272 Re: Magic Lantern and the meaning of 'thoughtful' Gabe Yedid Thu 10/7/1999 1 KB 18273 Re: Magic Lantern and the meaning of 'thoughtful' Owens James Thu 10/7/1999 1 KB From: 'Alan Benson' From: Klaus Beschorner Hi All! > > This was just posted in postscript (type) form yesterday in > the tangerinedream OneList (unmoderated). As this question > is allowable here, I [...] > A reader (Christian Russell), asked on the TDI guestbook recently > a question re: 'Streethawk' demo CD and even provided me with a > jpg of it (1_streeth.jpg, 3.84 KB). > Does anyone here know anything about this? From: Gabe Yedid From: Owens James > > BTW: Where's 'Magic Lantern' from? I've checked my discography and can't > seem to locate the title. Is it from a Froese solo album? Yes. It's one of the new tracks from _Beyond The Storm_. Worth getting just for this track IMO. Gabe From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Yedid [SMTP:gabe@p...] > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:31 PM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: Re: [tadream] Magic Lantern and the meaning of 'thoughtful' > > From: Gabe Yedid > > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Owens James wrote: > > > From: Owens James > > > > BTW: Where's 'Magic Lantern' from? I've checked my discography and > can't > > seem to locate the title. Is it from a Froese solo album? > > Yes. It's one of the new tracks from _Beyond The Storm_. > Worth getting just for this track IMO. > > Gabe > From: Gustavo Jobim Track #10 'Quaser' also isn't listed on the cover but is on the CD. >With 3 seconds longer it clocks at 3:46 :-) TD albums also have wrong timings? This happens with ALL Jarre's CDs. For example,Oxygene part 3. Cover time: 3'24. Correct timing: 2'56. Horrible. I always have to write a piece of paper with the correct timings. gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'jay' From: 'Nick Adams' From: 'Alan Benson' > > Re: Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon! > Speaking of which, a good friend of mine -- Phaedra_TD > has posed an interesting TD question to me for which I > don't have an answer. ----snip------- > Here is the QUESTION: > > Phaedra_TD says that every time she listens to the opening > of 'Rubycon' (Part Two), that it reminds her of an atmospheric > chorus featured on a Children's TV show that she use to watch > back in England in the '70's. She can't quite remember the > exact name of the program other than the fact that it featured > the Avebury Stone Circle (similar to Stonehedge). The music > (Rubycon, Pt. Two), would play in the background and then if > someone dared to turn around and looked back as they were > running away from the house they would immediately be turned > into one of the stones (TD Heaven forbid this please! -- LOL). Correct me if i'm wrong, but i seem to remember this, wasn't it ''The Quatermass series'', or the ''Tomorrow People'' maybe, hmmm i remember the scene your on about, about someone getting turned into one of the stones if they turned and looked at the house, but i don't recall any TD in the series sorry. Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Joe Shoults' From: EFroese@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Thu Oct 7, 1999 10:42 pm Subject: new releases? Hello all, Sorry, but I've been off line for a vey long time. And, It took me awhile to find out where the list moved to. I just wanted to get caught back up with any new TD releases. My last purchases were: Oasis, Tournado, Timesquare, Ambient Monkeys, and Valentine Wheels. What albums or soundtracks have been released since those? I appreciate your help. Thanks, Steve EFroese@w... From: Mats Nordlinder From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 8, 1999 8:13 am Subject: Re: RE: Posiible influences In a message dated 10/7/99 10:05:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!, joes@c... writes: << Does anyone know about possible influences? >> * Stockhausen - most definitely, probably also Subotnic, Ligeti *The American Minimalists - Reich, Glass, Riley, etc. * 60's free-form jamming aesthetics - Hendrix, etc. * LSD * Dali Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18283 Re: Posiible influences Mats Nordlinder Fri 10/8/1999 1 KB From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Fri Oct 8, 1999 8:49 am Subject: Re: 'Streethawk' demo CD? Re: 'Streethawk' demo CD? Klaus wrote: > The question should have rested where it was ;-) > > Streethawk Demo is a 2-CDR-bootleg with rough edits > taken from the episodes of the series. > > klaus ___________________________________________ Dear Klaus -- Thanks much! Yes, this one is toasted, posted and well done! This TD Mystery solved... There is_ NO DEMO_ CD!!! With Best Regards, Al Berkeley, CA / USA PS: I often like to say: 'When Klaus speaks, TD diehards listen!' :-) PPS: Double post on both TD list. **************************************** __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'Alan Benson' From: 'Alan Benson' > > Re: Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon! > Speaking of which, a good friend of mine -- Phaedra_TD > has posed an interesting TD question to me for which I > don't have an answer. ----snip------- > Here is the QUESTION: > > Phaedra_TD says that every time she listens to the opening > of 'Rubycon' (Part Two), that it reminds her of an atmospheric > chorus featured on a Children's TV show that she use to watch > back in England in the '70's. She can't quite remember the > exact name of the program other than the fact that it featured > the Avebury Stone Circle (similar to Stonehedge). The music > (Rubycon, Pt. Two), would play in the background and then if > someone dared to turn around and looked back as they were > running away from the house they would immediately be turned > into one of the stones (TD Heaven forbid this please! -- LOL). Correct me if i'm wrong, but i seem to remember this, wasn't it ''The Quatermass series'', or the ''Tomorrow People'' maybe, hmmm i remember the scene your on about, about someone getting turned into one of the stones if they turned and looked at the house, but i don't recall any TD in the series sorry. Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... ____________________________________________________________ Dear Nick, Thanks ever sooo much for the fantastic memory of your info! This question has been on Phaedra_TD's mind for almost a quarter of a century (Sorry Phaedra -- we're all getting older with plenty of TD grace, btw!). We both appreciate the immediate feedback. Perhaps now knowing the titles of: 'Quatermass series' or 'Tomorrow People' this in itself will be enough to jar her musical TD memory! After all, 'Rubycon' is a true and pure 'TD classic' in every sense of the word and one that is not likely to ever be forgotten anytime real soon... ;-) Best Regards, Al Berkeley, CA / USA NP: 'Phaedra' ~ the one & only ~ by TD. Re: D: Studio -- Next week!!! _______________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: Mats Nordlinder << Does anyone know about possible influences? >> > > * Stockhausen - most definitely, probably also Subotnic, Ligeti > *The American Minimalists - Reich, Glass, Riley, etc. > * 60's free-form jamming aesthetics - Hendrix, etc. > * LSD > * Dali > Poly > LSD ???? never heard of that artist !! ;-D Mats From: Gabe Yedid From: Mats Nordlinder > > Hi there ! > > Anybody knows what J.S are up to ? > Has there been a release after 'Songs no Words' from -95 ? He reissued 1988's _The Zoo of Tranquility_ a couple of years back, and it was really a totally new version (read: even he Tangentizes the hell out of things). > What is he doing these days ? I'm rather curious to know this too. I assume he's gone back to making theatre music...an album every 5 years doesn't exactly pay the bills. He still has his Riet-Studio, I gather, but he probably isn't the only one who works there; I'd gather that other artists produce their stuff at his place as well (for a nominal fee, of course). > And.....has he ever done a concert on his own, with > his own material ? I don't think so...did he ever appear at KLEMdag? > Mats, Stockholm Gabe From: 'Jonathan Teague' From: 'Nick Adams' > > > From: 'Alan Benson' > > > > Re: Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon! > > Speaking of which, a good friend of mine -- Phaedra_TD > > has posed an interesting TD question to me for which I > > don't have an answer. > ----snip------- > > Here is the QUESTION: > > > > Phaedra_TD says that every time she listens to the opening > > of 'Rubycon' (Part Two), that it reminds her of an atmospheric > > chorus featured on a Children's TV show that she use to watch > > back in England in the '70's. She can't quite remember the > > exact name of the program other than the fact that it featured > > the Avebury Stone Circle (similar to Stonehedge). The music > > (Rubycon, Pt. Two), would play in the background and then if > > someone dared to turn around and looked back as they were > > running away from the house they would immediately be turned > > into one of the stones (TD Heaven forbid this please! -- LOL). > > Correct me if i'm wrong, but i seem to remember this, wasn't it ''The > Quatermass series'', or the ''Tomorrow People'' maybe, hmmm i remember the > scene your on about, about someone getting turned into one of the stones if > they turned and looked at the house, but i don't recall any TD in the series > sorry. > > Nick I think it's more likely to be 'Children of the Stones' which was produced by HTV in 1976. The link below has more info: http://www.sarsen.demon.co.uk/children/index.html I don't 'remember' any TD in it but I hadn't discovered TD by then so who knows. Jon. From: 'Patrik *' From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Shaggy ***' From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [mailto:lawrysimm@u...] ... > For the first time, I'm going to remember to put in links to some > audio samples on the TD homepage... just in case you haven't heard > this album (as if!). (Hey Joe, I remembered! :-) ) > > Phaedra > http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/phaedra1.ram > http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/phaedra2.ram > From: tony.walsh@xxxxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 8, 1999 11:43 pm Subject: Avebury Stone circle and Rubycon. I may be able to help here - with the TV series I'm afraid, not the music. The series I think Phaedra_TD has in mind was called 'Children of the Stones' and was shown on ITV in the mid Seventies. The lead character was played by a Scottish actor (Iain Cuthbertson???)and he held the entire village in his thrall by some mystical power. The abiding image is of some people in a car attempting to leave the village and being foeced to stop by a woman in the road who also appears to be a standing stone (yeah, I know, wierd!). They are only able to drive past the stones and out of the village by destroying the villain. I'm afraid I have no recollection of the music used at all. Hope this helps. Tony. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Oct 9, 1999 12:28 am Subject: Re: introduction ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaggy *** To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:57 PM Subject: [tadream] introduction > From: 'Shaggy ***' > > I thought I'd itroduce myself to you all, and I hope that I can contribue > something to the discussions at hand. Welcome to the list Shaggy I am sure you will be some what inspired by the wealth of musical knowledge of some of the list members. ' KEEP DREAMING ' 'Orch ' Carl From: Derk wrote: >this in itself will be enough to jar her musical TD memory! After all, >'Rubycon' is a true and pure 'TD classic' in every sense of the word >and one that is not likely to ever be forgotten anytime real soon... ;-) While we're on the subject of Rubycon: I was in a cinema the other day and was very surprised to hear Rubycon being played on the sound system prior and after the film! I was half tempted to seek out the kindred soul who put it in the cinema's playlist! On another note: I've been listening to disc 5 of Tangents a lot lately, especially Silver Scale. I've always wondered why this fabulous track was never released on a regular studio album. Could this have been another Green Desert? I believe the track was written around 1980, between Force Majeure and Tangram, as it it is solely credited to Froese and Franke. TD being a democratic group, did they decide that after Schmoelling joined the band the track was no longer a group effort and therefore not eligible to be included on the next release? The same theory could hold for Valley of the Sun as well. What other 'un-democratic' gems are locked away in Edgar's safe, one can only wonder. Maybe the proposed rarities discs will bring some of those to light. Can't wait! Derk From: 'Alan Benson' 'This question has been on Phaedra_TD's mind for almost a quarter > of a century (Sorry Phaedra -- we're all getting older with plenty of TD > grace, btw!).' BTW, Jon -- that was great research you did to find that URL listing for: 'Children of the Stones' and to include the date of 1976 as well. And, Tony -- your amazing account of all those details including the Scottish actor (Iain Cuthbertson), as a strong possibility. I've said it more than once that this list (and, of course, the other Tadream OneList tangerine- dream unmoderated list run by our friend and colleague Joel Mullen), is without any doubt the greatest collection assembled of TD information available anywhere on this planet. We can all be very proud! As, for all the rest -- Phaedra_TD will simply have to continue pondering the power and beauty of the absolute masterpiece that we all know simply as: 'Rubycon' (Part Two), as the music that she recalls from the opening sequence in relation to the choir aspect... But, for now, we will all have 'PHAEDRA' very much on our collective TD minds. Undoubtedly, for the majority of us diehards -- this is truly (I'd better insert IMHO here LOL), where most of us BEGIN... Long live and prosper: 'TANGERINE DREAM.' The one & only! :-) Best Regards to ALL, Al Berkeley, CA / USA NP: 'The Best of the Art of Noise' the track that I fell in ~love~ with upon first listen: 'Moments in Love' by the AoN. They just played at Slims over in the City by the bay (San Francisco), on 10/07/99. ;-) ____________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:06:43 +0100 From: 'Jonathan Teague' Subject: Re: Re: Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon! >> From: 'Nick Adams' >> >>> From: 'Alan Benson' >>> >>> Re: Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon! >>> Speaking of which, a good friend of mine -- Phaedra_TD >>> has posed an interesting TD question to me for which I >>> don't have an answer. >> ----snip------- >>> Here is the QUESTION: >>> >>> Phaedra_TD says that every time she listens to the opening >>> of 'Rubycon' (Part Two), that it reminds her of an atmospheric >>> chorus featured on a Children's TV show that she use to watch >>> back in England in the '70's. She can't quite remember the >>> exact name of the program other than the fact that it featured >>> the Avebury Stone Circle (similar to Stonehedge). The music >>> (Rubycon, Pt. Two), would play in the background and then if >>> someone dared to turn around and looked back as they were >>> running away from the house they would immediately be turned >>> into one of the stones (TD Heaven forbid this please! -- LOL). >> >> Correct me if i'm wrong, but i seem to remember this, wasn't it >> ''The Quatermass series'', or the ''Tomorrow People'' maybe, >> hmmm i remember the scene your on about, about someone >> getting turned into one of the stones if they turned and looked >> at the house, but i don't recall any TD in the series >> sorry. >> >> Nick > > I think it's more likely to be 'Children of the Stones' which > was produced by HTV in 1976. The link below has more info: > http://www.sarsen.demon.co.uk/children/index.html > > I don't 'remember' any TD in it but I hadn't discovered TD > by then so who knows. > > Jon. Thanks again Jon -- a great job! AND: Message: 11 Date: 8 Oct 1999 23:43:41 -0000 From: tony.walsh@c... Subject: Avebury Stone circle and Rubycon. > I may be able to help here - with the TV series I'm afraid, not the music. > > The series I think Phaedra_TD has in mind was called 'Children > of the Stones' and was shown on ITV in the mid Seventies. The > lead character was played by a Scottish actor (Iain Cuthbertson???) > and he held the entire village in his thrall by some mystical power. > The abiding image is of some people in a car attempting to leave > the village and being foeced to stop by a woman in the road who > also appears to be a standing stone (yeah, I know, wierd!). They > are only able to drive past the stones and out of the village by > destroying the villain. > > I'm afraid I have no recollection of the music used at all. > > Hope this helps. > > Tony. An amazing detailed account -- thanks Tony! ____________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18354 Re: 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' Alan Benson Wed 10/13/1999 5 KB 18406 Re: 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' Tony Walsh Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18300 D:Studio[Phaedra] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Sun 10/10/1999 5 KB 18312 D:Studio[Phaedra] Attila Gyory Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB 18340 Re: D:Studio[Phaedra] Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/12/1999 2 KB From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Oct 9, 1999 6:15 pm Subject: D: [Studio] Green Desert Hmm, I usually try to get my comments in at the beginning of the week, not the end. Now I know why - you guys pretty much said it all. I was surprised looking back at how consistent most of the comments were. My two favorite tracks, like many, are also Green Desert and Astral Voyager (AV is fun because it's one of the few TD songs I can actually play on my synth, since it's so simple, matching my level of musical prowess, i.e. little to none). Funny thing is, I first had this on tape from someone else's CD, and, to me, the transition is so good from Green Desert to White Clouds that I used to think they were all one song - I just thought there was sort of a pause before a big final movement with the drums. BTW, can anyone tell me about the Castle re-issue on this one? I know the cover art is VERY different - how are the liner notes? I love Julian Cope's notes on the other pre-Virgin reissues, but I never got around to buying the re-issued version of GD. I figured the sound quality wouldn't be that different, since it was a later release, anyway. Phil D. NP: Edgar Froese's 'Magic Lantern' (had to see what all the fuss is about...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18297 Re: D: [Studio] Green Desert Gabe Yedid Sat 10/9/1999 1 KB 18298 Re: D: [Studio] Green Desert PNaunton@xxx.xxx Sun 10/10/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: PhilPDX@a... > > BTW, can anyone tell me about the Castle re-issue on this one? I know the > cover art is VERY different - how are the liner notes? Um, what liner notes? ;) Gabe From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 10, 1999 5:35 am Subject: Re: D: [Studio] Green Desert In a message dated 09-10-1999 1:15:51 PM EST, PhilPDX@a... writes: << Phil D. NP: Edgar Froese's 'Magic Lantern' (had to see what all the fuss is about...) >> Yes? And? Phil N. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Oct 10, 1999 8:06 am Subject: Posting foul!!! (Sound of referee blowing whistle) EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! 'Gustavo Jobim' FOUL!!! 15 points... Premature Ejaculation We're supposed to wait until SUNDAY to post the reviews. ;-D Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18303 Re: Posting foul!!! Gustavo Jobim Sun 10/10/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 10, 1999 10:38 am Subject: D:Studio[Phaedra] Well, here it is folks, the epicenter of The Berlin School. We're all going to be scrambling for adjectives this week to describe this most important album. Phaedra: even the intro (relatively close to what came before in their albums). is a whole new sound for TD. A rapid sequence descends from above and percolates while bells chime and from it emerges a whole new world of exploration in the hypnotic bass sequence that has become the signature for TD. Ghostly sound patterns swirl around it creating a whole environment of mysticism. At about 2:30 in you can hear Chris Franke adjusting the notes of the sequence. Apparently they did not know that this was to be THE take! Choirs introduce the listener to a new sphere bracing you for the gorgeous mellotron melody flanged to lysergic levels. The melody races around the cosmos while the bass pattern subtly changes underneath. There appears only once an enigmatic water drop sound at 4:30 that I've always loved. Then, what seems to be an echoed bass guitar ( I think so because of slight timing errors I can't see happening with a sequencer.) playing a similar hypnotic pattern takes over while sample and hold patterns scurry around like metal rain. Ominous chords wash over and a new landscape emerges. Froese, Franke, and Baumann are the priests summoning a portal to different dimensions here. At about 6:00 in there are minimalist-styled ecstatic patterns until it again changes and flute, and mellotron take the trip to a much heavier level. Reverb on the flute washes in and out continually changing the aural position from near to far. A low Piano tone like a Tibetan monk chanting while the notes in the bass part change again on the fly. Weird shrieks emerge with percussive tumbling sounds. At 9:30 the bass pitch rises to a climax and a choir warns of the impending explosion. We are now left to drift in space with splashes of prepared piano flashing by. Alien bird sounds and yawning voids open up while a mellotron choir brings a somewhat familiar element to mix. Something to hold on to. Children's voices are tagged on to the end in a very enigmatic way. (Later echoed on the intro to Epsilon) Heavy. Futuristic. Raw. Visionary. Magical. Unbelievable. Liberating. These all describe Phaedra to me. How can I possibly explain the importance of this album, and specifically, this piece? The MOST 'Alternative' album of all time? I honestly can't think of anything more radically different ever appearing on the charts. EVER. Mysterious semblance at the strand of nightmares... LUSH. like a dark rainforest covered in fog. This is (along with epsilon) one of the greatest mellotron moments ever. enhanced by spare wind and synth effects. The chords seem a perfect blend of spontaneous and deeply felt emotions. Perfection. The whole piece sustains this mood except for a brief staccato interlude where the chords stutter like a strobe light. (inevitable '70's reference.) I envision Beethoven at a mellotron with candles everywhere playing a concert for the astral plane. At about 6:30 the mellotron lead sounds as if it's being processed through a filter on the modular system. Things start sounding more liquid, like an ocean appearing from nowhere. Movements of a visionary This piece opens with a kind of chaotic sound field reminiscent of (but in my opinion better than) Wahn. I suspect that it's their voices being processed through filters. A soundtrack for Halloween. Another pattern emerges out of this wash setting the mood for the rest of the piece. Organ pads wash over the background while percussive synths echo kaleidoscopically. I wonder what it must have been like for them in the studio hearing this back over the speakers for the first time. One thing that is apparent about TD as compared to many others is that the main sequence was almost constantly being altered on the fly. Kudos to Mr.Franke for such wonderful creativity. Sequent C' A beautiful ending to one of the greatest albums ever. Peter delicately playing flute through a long echo in the style of Minimalist Terry Riley. This piece is very organic as well as hypnotic. It may take quite a while before Phaedra is given its proper respect as the revolutionary album that it is, and , knowing music history, I have to comment that it may in fact never happen... but I suspect that it will. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18312 D:Studio[Phaedra] Attila Gyory Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB 18340 Re: D:Studio[Phaedra] Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/12/1999 2 KB From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: Rubycon (no D:Studio!) / Silver Scale > Hi all, > > 'Alan Benson' wrote: > >> this in itself will be enough to jar her musical TD memory! After all, >> 'Rubycon' is a true and pure 'TD classic' in every sense of the word >> and one that is not likely to ever be forgotten anytime real soon... ;-) > > While we're on the subject of Rubycon: I was in a cinema the other > day and was very surprised to hear Rubycon being played on the > sound system prior and after the film! I was half tempted to seek > out the kindred soul who put it in the cinema's playlist! > > On another note: I've been listening to disc 5 of Tangents a lot lately, > especially Silver Scale. I've always wondered why this fabulous track > was never released on a regular studio album. Could this have been > another Green Desert? I believe the track was written around 1980, > between Force Majeure and Tangram, as it is solely credited to > Froese and Franke. TD being a democratic group, did they decide > that after Schmoelling joined the band the track was no longer a group > effort and therefore not eligible to be included on the next release? > The same theory could hold for Valley of the Sun as well. > What other 'un-democratic' gems are locked away in Edgar's safe, > one can only wonder. Maybe the proposed rarities discs will bring > some of those to light. Can't wait! > Derk (Note: deleted one additional 'it' from the above text of Derk's) -- AB. _____________________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'twosheds' From: Gustavo Jobim We're supposed to wait until SUNDAY to post the reviews. >;-D >Poly Yeah, I know, sorry everyone... I wrote that mail but I was going to save to the Drafts section, then send it today (Sunday). Just a little mistake. gfj p.s. At least I didn't send that mail when the subject was D:Studio[Alpha Centauri] ! :) Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: 'Brian M. Frick' From: Gustavo Jobim Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18309 Re: Schmoelling's Wuivend Riet Michael A. Jean Mon 10/11/1999 1 KB From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 10, 1999 10:42 pm Subject: Re: D: Studio - Phaedra In a message dated 10/10/99 1:03:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: > P.S.²: What kind of cover was that? TD was crazy in those days. Making that > almost inacessible music with those kind of covers... Dali influence? LSD > influence, like someone said? One of my favorite parts about Virgin era TD is those great album covers. I think the abstract covers match the music perfectly. My copy of Phaedra has another of those ubiquitous typos on TD credits - 'MysteriUOs Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares.' The outside track listing is correct, but it is misspelled on the booklet - anyone else have this? I've since seen used copies spelled correctly. Enough of that, on to the music. I bought Phaedra fairly late in my TD collecting, so in comparison to some of my faves like Ricochet and Rubycon, it didn't impress me much. But now, seeing where it fits into the overall development of TD, it really was quite extraordinary. Someone else said they thought Atem was the pivotal album, but I'll go along with the majority who seem to think it's this one. The step forward, especially on the sequencing, from Atem to Phaedra, is nothing short of extraordinary. The pattern gets a bit redundant on the lengthy title track, but there are so many cool effects to go along with that I don't mind so much. I love the drop off a precipice in the middle of the song where it gets minimal and spooky. Very interesting the bit they do at the end with the sounds of kids playing in the distance. It goes nicely with Jerome's picture on the back cover. The whole album is great. My favorites are 'Movements...' and 'Sequent C'.' The bubbly sequencers in Movements are great, and the organ leads are, to me, the only recognizable tie to Atem at all, bringing back memories of Fauni Gena and Circulation of Events. The closer is perfect, short and sweet. A bit melancholy, but not overly sad to me. A quiet reflective end. Since the Armin scale doesn't allow half points, I'm really torn here. I still don't play Phaedra as much as others, but I like it more every time I do. A very high 4AS, I almost want to say 5AS - but that can wait for Rubycon and Ricochet. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18311 Re: D: Studio - Phaedra Gustavo Jobim Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB 18328 D: Studio - Phaedra PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Tue 10/12/1999 3 KB 18364 Re: D: Studio - Phaedra Steven Le Vine Wed 10/13/1999 2 KB From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 10, 1999 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert reissue In a message dated 10/10/99 1:03:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Phil D. writes: > > BTW, can anyone tell me about the Castle re-issue on this one? I know the > > cover art is VERY different - how are the liner notes? > To which Gabe answered: > Um, what liner notes? ;) > > > Gabe > So, there are no credits in the reissue - what's the point? Has anyone heard both, is the sound quality any better? Phil D. From: Gustavo Jobim Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18310 Re: MSatSoN's main instrument Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: Gustavo Jobim > > Thanks you all who made comments about JS's Wuivend Riet. > > Not going to sell, Thomas... sorry! :) I'm going to MP3 it for myself, to > avoid handling the LP. I can copy the MP3s for you. > > Wuivend Riet is a good album. My favorite track probably is Zeit, but the > album has many good moments. > > gfj np WR part 1 > > > > Gu From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 11, 1999 2:51 am Subject: Re: MSatSoN's main instrument In a message dated 10/11/99 2:13:51 AM !!!First Boot!!!, gustavfj@m... writes: << Bañéwo! I know almost nothing about the synths and musical instruments used in tadream, jmj & etc. albums, so i ask one question: What's the main instrument played in Mysterious Semblance? Do the waves and birds sounds come from the Mellotron? (I think I asked 2 questions...) >> * The main string sound is the mellotron and the bird and wind sounds are definitely synthesizer, either the VC3 or the Moog. Also the synthesizers back then were modulars which means you could take a sound from outside the synth and process them through it, like when the sound start getting 'Liquidy' toward the end you can hear the string sound (mellotron) being processed through an LFO, giving it a more watery sound. Poly From: Gustavo Jobim > P.S.²: What kind of cover was that? TD was crazy in those days. Making that >> almost inacessible music with those kind of covers... Dali influence? LSD >> influence, like someone said? > >One of my favorite parts about Virgin era TD is those great album covers. I >think the abstract covers match the music perfectly. I agree, but Phaedra and Force Majeure's covers are the weirdest ones. Phaedra, because it seems to have sense, but it doesn't. Force Majeure is weird because of that ball. It's red on the front, and it's that... whatever on the back. >I still don't play Phaedra as much as others, but I like it more every time I >do. >Phil D. The same happens with me... gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Attila Gyory wrote: > Phaedra, the album: 9. > > 1. Phaedra - 8,5 > 2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares > - 9,5 > 3. Movements of a Visionary - 7 > 4. Sequent C' - 8 > Hi everyone, especially Gustavo! Please tell me what kind of scale do you use for rating those tracks. E.g. Phaedra - 8,5 points. You mean 8,5 of 10? If the maximum is 10 points, then my rating is: Phaedra - the album: 8 points 1. Phaedra - 9 points I think this was the first track that made TD famous in 1974. Especially for the first, sequencer part of it. The second part is similar to the second part of Atem - spacey, mellow. At the end there are some voices of children in a (school?) corridor. I don't know the use of it. 2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares - 8 points A beautiful track with beautiful mellotron sounds - I like it! 3. Movements of a Visionary - 10 points This is my favourite track from the album. I don't know why some people doesn't like it. It's interesting, mesmering... and so on. 4. Sequent 'C - 2 points This shouldn't have done. Those awful flute sounds... and it also hasn't got an end. Maybe I don't understand this track - sorry. That's it. I'm awaiting for your response. Bye! Attila Gyory Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18340 Re: D:Studio[Phaedra] Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/12/1999 2 KB From: Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Date: Mon Oct 11, 1999 12:19 pm Subject: Tangents Hi, A bit late, but anyway, thanks for all the help with my question about the Mellotron. Now it is time for another one (in a series of highly interesting questions): I've heard a lot about the fifth disc of Tangents and it seems interesting enough. Being a longtime collector of TD material I already have my fair-share of compilations though and wonder if anyone knows if one can buy that particular disc separately somewhere? Ajöken Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18315 Re: Tangents Heiko Heerßen Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB 18336 Re: Tangents James Horecka, AIA Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@xxxxxxx.xxxx Date: Mon Oct 11, 1999 12:34 pm Subject: Architecture In Motion Hello I surfed on CDnow and it listed Architecture In Motion with street date on Oct 12, 1999. I believe it is a related/identical release to What A Blast, so is it going to be another W.A.B. CD on Miramar instead of TDI, or is it the video release? Anybody has any idea, cos the Miramar website has no mention of it. THanks Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18318 Re: Architecture In Motion Sean Montgomery Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' I've heard a lot about the fifth disc of Tangents and it seems interesting > enough. Being a longtime collector of TD material I already have my > fair-share of compilations though and wonder if anyone knows if one can buy > that particular disc separately somewhere? Nope. As far as I know Tangents has been deleted. Once upon a time (well, about 4 or 5 months ago) I ordered it via 3 mailorder companies which all claimed to have Tangents in stock. But in the end no-one was able to fulfill my order. I was lucky to obtain a copy from a TD collector in Germany who dissolved his (mighty impressive) collection. And for a very reasonable price (about 40 US Dollars). And at no time was it possible to buy the 5th disc seperately. But from what I can recall it wasn't as good as the 5th disc from the 'Dream roots' collection. Here you can find more or less solo pieces from Edgar (with the exception of the great 'Silver scale' which was used during their live concerts in late 1980 / early 1981). > Ajöken > Olle Moin Heiko From: AslanFan1@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 11, 1999 5:07 pm Subject: A Time for Heroes CD for Trade Hello Fellow TD Fans, I would like to put my A TIME FOR HEROES CD by Tangerine Dream up for auction on Ebay, but before I do that, I thought I'd see if anyone on this list would like to work out a trade. Being that this item is so rare and difficult to find, I'd like to work out a trade of this CD in excellent shape for 3 of the upcoming TDI releases. They can be used, so if you wanted to listen to them first before sending them to me, that would be fine with me. If nobody is interested, it will go up on ebay in the next two days. If anyone is interested, they should email me asap, as it's first come first serve on this trade offer. Thanks! -Alan Cox From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 11, 1999 3:42 pm Subject: D:Studio [Green Desert] Another late addition, and there's little to add to what others have said, but here i is for all you 'completists'. Green Desert [1973] Edgar Froese, Chris Franke Green Desert White Clouds Astral Voyager Indian Summer By the time I get around to posting this, there will inevitably have been a number of posts explaining the background to this peculiarity. Unfortunately, I plan to reiterate some of these for the purposes of my review/discussion. 1. Green Desert was recorded by Froese and Franke, when Baumann was on one of his sabbaticals. 2. Green Desert was replaced by Phaedra (see next weeks' discussion) when TD were signed by the fledgling Virgin label. I have seen at least two versions of the reason for this : a) TD were/are a democratic band and didn't want to release an album without Peter's input b) the album was intended as a demo to persuade Virgin to sign them. Personnally, I don't believe either, wholely. I think Ed 'n' Chris created this whilst between contracts and the only reason they didn't release it when signed to Virgin was because their forwarding fee (or whatever its called) allowed them to buy new gear and experiment before their new contract required an album. 3. Green Desert was released in 1986, but contains remixed/re-recorded music rather than the original. I'll start by saying that I like this album - I like it a lot. The combination of drums, guitar and background effects (particularly in the title track) lead this right up my street. Musically, I think this album is out-of-line with the albums around it, whether they be Atem and Phaedra or Poland and Le Parc or Le Parc and Underwater Sunlight. First off : I have heard a number of times that Chris threw away his drum kit after Atem. The use (and prominence) of so much drums on this album is, therefore, a quandry. Are these reports incorrect or inaccurate? Possibly (we'll never know for sure, I guess). Perhaps Chris threw his drum kit away before Phaedra was released, but that could have been after Green Desert was originally recorded. Or maybe the 'throwing away' was a metophorical, rather than physical, act and he kept his hand in all through the Virgin years. Perhaps Chris dusted the old kit off in 1984 and returned to his roots. Was a studio musician used? Well, TD has never shyed away from saying who did what on their albums (except perhaps for more details of the studio musicians used on Beach Theme / Scene from the Thief CD) and quite happily stated that Klaus Krieger played on two TD and one Froese album, so I doubt this. Secondly : When did Edgar start playing the guitar like that? The opening phase of the title track contains a solid, melodic piece of guitar work, totally unlike anything that appeared before and until much later (at least in their studio work). And finally, when did TD start the great synth melody lines? They moved from the ambience of Zeit and Atem to the sequencer sounds of Phaedra and Rubycon and by-passed the melody of Green Desert until Stratosfear? I think not! I believe that this is a very complex, and much handled, album, featuring many layers of music created over many years. The drum work and background chord sequences etc. may have come from the original recordings, but I think all guitar and lead synth work is new. I also think these parts were not originally part of the album, but added in 1984 to more closely reflect the musical style of TD at that time. Of course, until Ed sees fit to release his memoirs, we will never know, and musing on such matters are simply a waste of time. I enjoyed wasting my time - I hope you enjoyed wasting yours. BTW, this gets a 4AS from me. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > I surfed on CDnow and it listed Architecture In Motion with street date on > Oct 12, 1999. I believe it is a related/identical release to What A > Blast, so is it going to be another W.A.B. CD on Miramar instead of > TDI, or is it the video release? Miramar is releasing the 'What a Blast' CD under the name 'Architecture in Motion'. It will be the same as the TDI release, except it'll be leaving off two bonus tracks (both remixes of other TD songs...Jungle Journey and Timesquare if I remember correctly) that TDI added at the end. Given the absurd price to order WaB as an import, I decided to wait for the Miramar release. Whether it'll really be out on the 12th, however, is anyone's guess. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Klaus Beschorner From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'twosheds' Now why does the name twosheds sound so very familiar? lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18337 Re: Twosheds Erik Sanborn Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' My copy of Phaedra has another of those ubiquitous typos on TD credits - >'MysteriUOs Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares.' The outside track >listing is correct, but it is misspelled on the booklet - anyone else have >this? I've since seen used copies spelled correctly. Well, my Virgin Definitive Edition CD has 'Strand' becoming 'Stand' on the back cover. That was one thing that really p****d me off with the Virgin reissues, a myriad of spelling mistakes and incorrect info. Having said that, the new TDI albums don't seem to manage too well either. I think that all TD packaging should be proof read by a TD die-hard beforehand. I'm sure that no mistake would _EVER_ get through! Sad bunch that we are. :-) Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18322 D:Studio [Phaedra] Lawry Simm Mon 10/11/1999 5 KB 18325 D:Studio [Phaedra] Jared White Mon 10/11/1999 4 KB 18327 Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Jared White Mon 10/11/1999 1 KB 18333 D:Studio [Phaedra] craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Tue 10/12/1999 4 KB 18334 Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB 18335 Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Jared White Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB 18338 Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Jens Peschke Tue 10/12/1999 2 KB 18342 Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/12/1999 2 KB 18344 Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/12/1999 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' From: Owens James From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 11, 1999 10:42 pm Subject: Phaedra, the sore thumb effect In a message dated 10/11/99 7:57:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, lawrysimm@u... writes: << you know how they say that so many people own Dark Side Of The Moon, or Tubular Bells, or Oxygene or something... I wonder how many copies of this still sit in peoples record collections, people that have had no other contact with TD. >> *When I first started dating my wife, she was living with her sister and brother-in-law. Well, their record collection was mostly Classical, Country, & Top 40, but there smack-dab in the middle of their records was Phaedra. I couldn't believe it. Apparently they kept it around as a momento of their college/drug years.... I guess you'd have to know how straight they are to appreciate the humor of this. Poly From: 'Jared White' From: 'Ken Mitchell' From: 'Jared White' > Also, > I've been busy getting ready for it today, so I haven't > gotten a chance > really to sit down and listen to Phaedra again. Uh, I just wanted to make sure you all knew I meant I was getting ready for my TRIP, not Phaedra discussions. :) Stupid Me (Jared) From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 12, 1999 1:17 am Subject: D: Studio - Phaedra Boy, I got a weird error message trying to post this to the list the first time - 'not enough disk space?' Let's try this again.... In a message dated 10/10/99 1:03:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: > P.S.²: What kind of cover was that? TD was crazy in those days. Making that > almost inacessible music with those kind of covers... Dali influence? LSD > influence, like someone said? One of my favorite parts about Virgin era TD is those great album covers. I think the abstract covers match the music perfectly. My copy of Phaedra has another of those ubiquitous typos on TD credits - 'MysteriUOs Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares.' The outside track listing is correct, but it is misspelled on the booklet - anyone else have this? I've since seen used copies spelled correctly. Enough of that, on to the music. I bought Phaedra fairly late in my TD collecting, so in comparison to some of my faves like Ricochet and Rubycon, it didn't impress me much. But now, seeing where it fits into the overall development of TD, it really was quite extraordinary. Someone else said they thought Atem was the pivotal album, but I'll go along with the majority who seem to think it's this one. The step forward, especially on the sequencing, from Atem to Phaedra, is nothing short of extraordinary. The pattern gets a bit redundant on the lengthy title track, but there are so many cool effects to go along with that I don't mind so much. I love the drop off a precipice in the middle of the song where it gets minimal and spooky. Very interesting the bit they do at the end with the sounds of kids playing in the distance. It goes nicely with Jerome's picture on the back cover. The whole album is great. My favorites are 'Movements...' and 'Sequent C'.' The bubbly sequencers in Movements are great, and the organ leads are, to me, the only recognizable tie to Atem at all, bringing back memories of Fauni Gena and Circulation of Events. The closer is perfect, short and sweet. A bit melancholy, but not overly sad to me. A quiet reflective end. Since the Armin scale doesn't allow half points, I'm really torn here. I still don't play Phaedra as much as others, but I like it more every time I do. A very high 4AS, I almost want to say 5AS - but that can wait for Rubycon and Ricochet. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18364 Re: D: Studio - Phaedra Steven Le Vine Wed 10/13/1999 2 KB From: Victor Rek From: Klaus Beschorner > > The old 'Mitten ins Ohr' sampler has been released on CD. > Unfortunately, it's incomplete, esp. the extract from > TD's 'Flight and Collison of Comas Sola' is not on the CD. From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 12, 1999 3:03 am Subject: Re: Sequent C' rates a TWO????!? In a message dated 10/11/99 2:21:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: > 4. Sequent 'C - 2 points > This shouldn't have done. Those awful flute sounds... > and it also hasn't got an end. Maybe I don't > understand this track - sorry. > > That's it. I'm awaiting for your response. Bye! > > Attila Gyory Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a TWO??!!! Yes, it's short, yes, it just ends, but I just think it fits - perfectly. I don't know why, it just does. BTW, sorry I posted my comments twice, I got a weird postmaster reply saying it didn't work, but then, lo and behold, there it was....and there it was again..... Phil D. NP: Ron Boots - Tainted Bare Skin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18331 Re: Sequent C' rates a TWO????!? Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB 18343 Re: Sequent C' rates a TWO????!? Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB 18353 Re: Sequent C' rates a TWO????!? Steve McCready Wed 10/13/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 12, 1999 6:26 am Subject: Re: Sequent C' rates a TWO????!? In a message dated 10/12/99 3:06:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, PhilPDX@a... writes: << Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a TWO??!!! Yes, it's short, yes, it just ends, but I just think it fits - perfectly. I don't know why, it just does. Phil >> * I'm going to have to agree with Phil here. I think this music demonstrates to a degree what elements Baumann brought to TD (IMHO) Simplicity, Beauty, and a very mysterious aesthetic. I couldn't think of any better way to end such an overwhelming trip as Phaedra is, than this simple, elegant piece. Poly From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:46 AM Subject: [tadream] Re the Becks Beer Ad > From: 'Ken Mitchell' > > > Someone asked awhile ago if the music to The Becks Beer ad on UK TV Hey Ken thanks for the information ,good of you to look .It was me that posed the question and thought the issue was long dead and burried. I would be very interested in any further info you dig up . Thanks again Best regards Carl ' Orch ' From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 12, 1999 9:56 am Subject: D:Studio [Phaedra] Phaedra [1974] Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Peter Baumann Phaedra Mysterious Semblance at the Stand of Nightmares Movements of a Visionary Sequent 'C' Okay, before I start, a couple of questions about the track titles. First, 'Mysterious Semblance at the STAND of Nightmares' is what it says on my Virgin Definitve Edition CD. I always thought it was STRAND - defective eyes/memory or yet another Virgin typo error? Similarly, I recall the last track on the album being called 'Sequent C'', with an apostrophe after the C - I assumed this was French for something. Now it appears in single quotes, as though it is the third part (A, B, C) of Sequent (whatever that is). Any thoughts? The other main gripe with the remaster (as with the original CD version, I think) is that the playground scene (i.e. with the children's laughter) is supposed to be part of the title track and not Mysterious Semblance ... As for the music - well, let me start by saying that anyone who doesn't place this within their top three TD albums should be forced to listen to Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty and Zeit on continuous play for seven days and six nights. Of course, I may be biased. Phaedra was the first TD that I bought and really heard. Prior to this I had dim and distant memories of my father playing some weird stuff that, once he and my mother seperated, she tried her best to make me forget. Listening to Phaedra for the first time on my small, crappy hi-fi in the confines of my bedroom is one of those formative events in a young person's life that, even at that time, you know changes the way you look at life. Too much Frosted Shreddies for breakfast? Perhaps, but there's no denying that this is TD's landmark album, and not just for me. With the benefit of hind-sight and a little more experience on the ways of electronic music and TD in particular, it is clear to me now that the title track is a number of shorter pieces segued together to form one long piece. When I first heard this, though, this changing tempo and sounds were about the most important thing about the album. The piece was always evolving and there was no chance to be tired of one part because it would soon change again. Although I would now say that the title track lacks what I consider a melody, I do recall 'singing' along with the sequencer lines at various points as though this were some form of mantra. Oh how the innocence of youth is corrupted by the evils of the world! I surprise myself with how much I like Mysterious Semblance and Sequent C' - being so full of Mellotron moments as they are. Certainly, they do score slightly lower than the other two tracks, but there is something about their play which attracts more than any other piece of Mellotron work I have. I also like the return to 'experimentation' in Movements of a Visionary - the perfect intervention between two 'melody'-based tracks. Some of the sequencer effects here are sublime and it is this piece, as much as the title track, which makes the album for me. If you hadn't alreday guessed, this gets a 5AS from me. NP : The Original Soundtrack - 10cc -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 12, 1999 3:19 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] In a message dated 10/12/99 1:39:21 PM !!!First Boot!!!, craig.cordrey@g... writes: << I surprise myself with how much I like Mysterious Semblance and Sequent C' - being so full of Mellotron moments as they are. Certainly, they do score slightly lower than the other two tracks, but there is something about their play which attracts more than any other piece of Mellotron work I have.>> * Sequent C' is real flute, not mellotron. Also, I think the 'C' is not so much meaning the third part (A,B,C) as it is the key that it's played in. Poly From: 'Jared White' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > * Sequent C' is real flute, not mellotron. Also, I think the 'C' > is not so much meaning the third part (A,B,C) as it is the > key that it's played in. > Poly You're right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Peter Baumann was using older nomenclature to denote the key *and* tonality of the piece. In the Baroque era, at least, keys were often written out as just 'C, c, g, G', etc. -- uppercase letters meaning major, and lowercase letters meaning minor. Thus, A would be A major, f would be f minor. I'm not exactly sure what the apostrophe is for, but I'm sure I've seen that type of thing elsewhere as well. I think it's there because it's an abbreviation (instead of being C major, it's just C' ). Hope that helps! Jared From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:04:48 +0100 > From: 'Lawry Simm' > Subject: Twosheds > >> From: 'twosheds' > >Now why does the name twosheds sound so very familiar? Arthur 'Two-sheds' Jackson, perhaps? ;-) From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Jared White' > You're right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Peter Baumann was using > older nomenclature to denote the key *and* tonality of the piece. In the > Baroque era, at least, keys were often written out as just 'C, c, g, G', > etc. -- uppercase letters meaning major, and lowercase letters meaning > minor. Thus, A would be A major, f would be f minor. Might be the case BUT if Sequent C is in C major I visit me doctor soon let him check me ears! >I'm not exactly sure what the apostrophe is for, but I'm sure I've seen that type of thing > elsewhere as well. I think it's there because it's an abbreviation (instead > of being C major, it's just C' ). Not true. C' is C just one octave higher - at least that's what my music teacher told me. IMO the 'C' indicates either the base key of the used scale or that a 'C flute' has been used or both apply or I'm totally wrong. ;-) Haven't listened to Phaedra for a while, btw. Best Regards Jens NP: FSP - Pointless reminder, neat cover, excellent music ! From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Phaedra (1974) > This is where it all took off for Tangerine Dream. I wonder how many > people have this record in their collection.... I mean the non > TD-Die-hards... you know how they say that so many people own Dark > Side > Of The Moon, or Tubular Bells, or Oxygene or something... I wonder how > many copies of this still sit in peoples record collections, people > that have had no other contact with TD. > From: Gustavo Jobim --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > >> Phaedra, the album: 9. >> >> 1. Phaedra - 8,5 >> 2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares >> - 9,5 >> 3. Movements of a Visionary - 7 >> 4. Sequent C' - 8 >> > >Hi everyone, especially Gustavo! > >Please tell me what kind of scale do you use for >rating those tracks. E.g. Phaedra - 8,5 points. >You mean 8,5 of 10? That's correct. Actually, this grade goes up every time I listen to Phaedra. Now it's probably like this: Phaedra - 9; Msatson - 9,5; Movements - 7; Sequent C' - 8,5. >If the maximum is 10 points, then my rating is: > >Phaedra - the album: 8 points > >1. Phaedra - 9 points >I think this was the first track that made TD famous >in 1974. Especially for the first, sequencer part of >it. The second part is similar to the second part of >Atem - spacey, mellow. At the end there are some >voices of children in a (school?) corridor. I don't >know the use of it. It's at least surprising and interesting. >4. Sequent 'C - 2 points >This shouldn't have done. Those awful flute sounds... >and it also hasn't got an end. Maybe I don't >understand this track - sorry. Like I said in my 'review', this is a sad but beautiful good-bye track. It just closes the album. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim Boy, I got a weird error message trying to post this to the list the first >time - 'not enough disk space?' Let's try this again.... The same happened with me - somebody on the list has got some problem with the server... Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim The track 'Mysterious Semblance...' reminds me so much of Jean Michel >Jarre on a good day... which only really says that Jarre certainly >took some inspiration for his earlier albums from the sounds that are >prevalent here. Most notably, the transition at 5:25. Had I not know >that this was TD, I would have sworn blind that it was Jarre. We seem to have the same opinion about this. Like I said, this track always reminds me of Jarre's early windy tracks, like Oxygene 6. >All in all, I'm glad I got this album out to listen to it. I think I >have heard this more this week, than in the past 5 years (probably 5-6 >times over the last week). More than listening to it though, I >actually 'heard' the album, probably for the first real time. I always >scoff when people say that Phaedra is their favourite album, and even >though it is still far from being mine, I may now give those people a >bit more respect. I'm still listening to Phaedra (second time in a row), since I began to read the mail today. And Phaedra's grade continues to go up. But Movements... is really the worst track in this album. gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim > 4. Sequent 'C - 2 points >> This shouldn't have done. Those awful flute sounds... >> and it also hasn't got an end. Maybe I don't >> understand this track - sorry. Hey, I didn't see that 2 in my reply to that mail... That is unfair! >Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a TWO??!!! Yes, it's short, >yes, it just ends, but I just think it fits - perfectly. I don't know why, >it just does. Like I said, it should have been bigger. LP is too small. But it doesn't 'just ends'. You can notice that it's ending. And it has the usual fading... gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim From: craig.cordrey@g... >Sequent 'C' It's Sequent C' ... >Okay, before I start, a couple of questions about the track titles. First, >'Mysterious Semblance at the STAND of Nightmares' is what it says on my Virgin >Definitve Edition CD. I always thought it was STRAND - defective eyes/memory or >yet another Virgin typo error? It's StRand. Even in the Brazilian edition of the LP it's written like that :) - and that's the only copy of Phaedra I have. >Similarly, I recall the last track on the album >being called 'Sequent C'', with an apostrophe after the C - I assumed this was >French for something. Now it appears in single quotes, as though it is the >third part (A, B, C) of Sequent (whatever that is). Any thoughts? No idea, but when I first read 'Sequent C' I remembered CONSTANT c, from that E=mc² equation. >the playground scene (i.e. with the children's laughter) is >supposed to be part of the title track and not Mysterious Semblance ... I'm glad I bought the vinyl. :)) gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Marlene Owens From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 13, 1999 7:33 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] >From: Synthhtnys@a... > >* Sequent C' is real flute, not mellotron. Amazing. I didn't realise this, and then I checked the instrument list and saw the flute. No wonder I like it more than most Mellotron works! 8-)) >Also, I think the 'C' >is not so much meaning the third part (A,B,C) as it is the >key that it's played in. Thanks Paul and all the others who guided me on tis. Am I correct in assuming 'Sequent' means 'sequence'? NP : Shepherd's Bush CDS -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'Brian W. Bailey' From: 'Thomas' >We just got a new computer with sound and a CD-ROM player (finally!) in the lab where I work, so now I can play my [Tangerine Dream] CDs at work, which, I believe will tend to increase my productivity. (Has anyone tested this theory in the workplace?)<< Yep, sure have! The music of Tangerine Dream is a rare example of music that helps increase my concentration. And yes, it does help me become more creative and productive. I enjoy making CDR compilations for myself and close friends, and while I make the artwork I always listen to TD music. I don't know if I'm totally off track here, but my favourite music of TD is and has always been the Virgin years (1974-1983), and I believe that is the period when they were really true to their goal of trying to describe art with music (correct me if I'm wrong here please!). So maybe I try to describe music with art... I don't know, just thought it was an interesting observation. Anyway, glad to have you with us Brian! Best regards Thomas Bertilsson Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18350 Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/13/1999 2 KB 18351 Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Wed 10/13/1999 1 KB 18360 Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory Gabe Yedid Wed 10/13/1999 1 KB 18380 Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory Steve Whiteley Thu 10/14/1999 1 KB 18385 Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory Jared White Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 13, 1999 9:14 am Subject: Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory In a message dated 10/13/99 8:58:44 AM !!!First Boot!!!, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: << I don't know if I'm totally off track here, but my favourite music of TD is and has always been the Virgin years (1974-1983), and I believe that is the period when they were really true to their goal of trying to describe art with music (correct me if I'm wrong here please!). So maybe I try to describe music with art... I don't know, just thought it was an interesting observation. Thomas Bertilsson Helsingborg, Sweden >> * Well I'd agree with that statement. I think they acheived heights in originality and vision that VERY few other bands could lay claim to. Especially during these years, but it is also something of an acquired taste for some as it's not as 'pop' or whatever adjective you care to use as their new works, which I have to admit pretty much stopped (Brickwall!) after Tyranny of Beauty. Although being on this list has in fact inspired me to go and start buying the newer ones again. Does anybody have some recommends of recent works that would be less on the sax and more on the visionary states for an old pair of ears who were there early on and have a strong bias toward it? Oh yes, back to the subject, there have been tests done on this aspect of music in a working (or learning) environment and classical had the most positive results. Which brings up a theory of mine that classic TD is just that...classical...at least strongly in influence. (I'm sure many will disagree strongly with this.) Thanks in advance Poly From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed Oct 13, 1999 9:28 am Subject: RE: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory You wrote > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > Does anybody have some recommends of recent works that would be > less on the sax and more on the visionary states for an old pair of ears > who > were there early on and have a strong bias toward it? > > Poly > > you asked for recommends of recent work, try Mars Polaris, it gives me the 'old' feeling. greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ From: Victor Rek >* Sequent C' is real flute, not mellotron. I have to say that this piece is one of may favorite TD tracks (but there are many favorites too :-). I love the sound and mood of this track and once I recall taking the Phaedra CD up to Canada to play this track for a friend. Vic From: 'Steve McCready' From: PhilPDX@a... > Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a TWO??!!! > Yes, it's short, yes, it just ends, but I just think it fits - perfectly. I > don't know why, it just does. I agree entirely. I can't necessarily quantify why, but it is one of my favorite TD pieces. I'd love to see it longer, but in a way the shortness of it adds to its character.. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: 'Alan Benson' One last reference for Phaedra_TD: the Internet Movie > Database has a listing for Children of the Stones: > http://us.imdb.com/Details?0075491 My thanks also go out once again to Tadream list members: Jonathan Teague and Nick Adams who also responded in kind. Now, Phaedra_TD has her homework to do and I'll certainly get a full report later... Clearly, music is truly a powerful force within our lives and one which is not likely to disappear any time soon -- so long as we have ears and hearts. Long live and prosper: 'Tangerine Dream' may they last well beyond the next millenium... Best Regards, Al Berkeley, CA / USA PS: John -- Congrats on your first post! We expect to see more of you now that you have broken the TD ice. PPS: Because of the nature of this gentle question and answer, and also thanking members on both list. This message was cross posted on over to Tadream. NP: 'Fahrenheit 451' (The Book People) by the legendary soundtrack composer: Bernard Herrmann (1911 -1985). He really knew the 'score' and his last legacy to this magnificent medium was: 'Taxi Driver.' ________________________________________________________________ Posted in tangerinedream (# 45) 10/13/99: John Christian wrote: Previously on !tangerinedream, Alan Benson said: >> Phaedra_TD says that every time she listens to the opening >> of 'Rubycon' (Part Two), that it reminds her of an atmospheric >> chorus featured on a Children's TV show that she use to watch >> back in England in the '70's. She can't quite remember the >> exact name of the program other than the fact that it featured >> the Avebury Stone Circle (similar to Stonehedge). The music >> (Rubycon, Pt. Two), would play in the background and then if >> someone dared to turn around and looked back as they were >> running away from the house they would immediately be turned >> into one of the stones (TD Heaven forbid this please! -- LOL). >> > This sounds like 'The Paper House'. I remember being absolutely > terrified by it. I don't remember TD music (or much detail at all, to > be honest) but it was probably around the right time. I later found a > movie of it on video (surely no TD there) and both were derived from > a childrens book which I'd love to find. > > Contact me off list if you want me to remember some more, although > I think now what I remember is almost all from the movie. It might jog > some memories though. > > I still shiver when I think of the eyes in the rocks turning to look at > you... > > JC > > PS: As this is my first posting here... Hi everyone! > > NP: Arcane, Gather Darkness. Sounds like a darker Logos at times, > a little like Redshift at others. Recommended. (Must declare an > interest as it is on Neu Harmony, like Airsculpture). > > -- > John Christian > for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 > software, etc. > for AirSculpture _______________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'twosheds' >Now why does the name twosheds sound so very familiar? > >Arthur 'Two-sheds' Jackson, perhaps? Ding ding! Tell him what he's won, Johnny! You're the first person I've encountered who knows what it's from. Also from the fact that my house has two sheds. No, I did not write this post in the shed. :-) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18365 Re: Digest Number 236 Michael A. Jean Thu 10/14/1999 2 KB From: 'koulos' From: Sean Montgomery but also in the store there is the following albums..please tell me wich > one to prefer > > dream mixes I > dream mixes II > oasis > quinoa > tournado > timesquare > ambient monkey My personal favourite of that bunch is Dream Mixes 1, but if Mars Polaris really appealed to you, I suspect you'd like Oasis. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: 'koulos' > but also in the store there is the following albums..please tell me wich > one to prefer > > dream mixes I > dream mixes II > oasis > quinoa > tournado > timesquare > ambient monkey > From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:05:55 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [tadream] some advice needed >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >>From: 'koulos' >>To: >>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:29:47 +0300 >> >>[. . .] in the store there is the following albums... >>please tell me wich one to prefer >> >>dream mixes I >>dream mixes II This and TIMESQUARE are the same album. >>oasis Not bad. A lot like CANYON DREAMS. For the most part, this album constitutes TD's only blatant look backward (not counting TANGENTS and other TANGENT-ized albums). >>quinoa The title track is so-so, the second track (VOXEL UX) is really pretty good, but the last track (LHASA) is a stinker. >>tournado Lifeless cloning of studio tracks with some guitar added and much too much lame electronic drumming. Get 220 VOLT LIVE instead. >>timesquare This and DREAM MIXES II are the same album. >>ambient monkey A turkey: animal sounds superimposed over shifting tribal-ambient bruhaha. Would have its moments were it not for the #^@*$^% animal grunts, shrieks, squawks, sqeaks, etc. :( ;) >My personal favourite of that bunch is Dream Mixes 1, but if Mars >Polaris really appealed to you, I suspect you'd like Oasis. Feh; no! *Not* OASIS. The TD albums most like MARS POLARIS are TimeSquare: DREAM MIXES II and WHAT A BLAST (a/k/a ARCHITECTURE IN MOTION. TimeSquare: DREAM MIXES II is actually a drum 'n' bass album. As for DREAM MIXES, if you go for that one, go for the import 2-CD version rather than the single-CD version, because there are four tracks on the 2nd CD that are well worth it. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ CURRENT INTERESTS: Hayao ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Miyazaki anime, kung fu/ ^ ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ martial arts movies, UFO ^ ^ ^ - _ \ 02445-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ abduction literature and ^ ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Tangerine Dream. ^ ^ _- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18361 Re: Other TD Most Like MARS POLARIS: TIMESQUARE a Marcel Engels Wed 10/13/1999 2 KB 18363 Re: Other TD Most Like MARS POLARIS: TIMESQUARE a Steven Le Vine Wed 10/13/1999 1 KB 18367 Re: Other TD Most Like MARS POLARIS: TIMESQUARE a Quarlie@xxx.xxx Thu 10/14/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: Synthhtnys@a... > > Does anybody have some recommends of recent works that would be > less on the sax and more on the visionary states for an old pair of ears who > were there early on and have a strong bias toward it? _Dream Mixes_, _TimeSquare_, _Oasis_, _Goblins Club_, _TransSiberia_, and _Mars Polaris_ are all sax-free. Of these, though, I'd argue that _Goblins Club_ is overall the most like _ToB_ and the least like earlier TD. It also has, IMO, no thematic unity whatsoever. > Poly Gabe From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Steven Feldman [mailto:AR402004@B...] > >>dream mixes I > >>dream mixes II > >>oasis > >>quinoa > >>tournado > >>timesquare > >>ambient monkey > > A turkey: animal sounds superimposed over shifting tribal-ambient > bruhaha. Would have its moments were it not for the #^@*$^% animal > grunts, shrieks, squawks, sqeaks, etc. :( ;) Strangest thing is that I only bought Ambient Monkeys from that list. Don't like the others...I've listened to them lots of time, but that just isn't my music...Okay Monkeys has a lot of atmospheric fxs, but at least it has atmosphere which I don't find anymore nowadays (expect AM). btw: you still think Eds gonna quite in 2000? Don't remember when I read it, it was last week (over here) and saw that they were 'booked' till 2004, so I don't think he will quite. And if he is, then I would love to know what happens next... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: [tadream] some advice needed > From: 'koulos' > > dear sitizens of this globe.....today i finally listen to mars polaris....wea a agreat album...... > > but also in the store there is the following albums..please tell me wich one to prefer > > dream mixes I > dream mixes II Hi Koulos personaly I would choose either of the above. ( Why ? ) Because out of the list you provided I think they are the best , although I am sure that many people out there in TD land will disagree. Best regards Carl ' Orch ' ( Formerly the preacher) From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Steven Feldman >To: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Subject: [tadream] Other TD Most Like MARS POLARIS: TIMESQUARE and WHAT A BLAST >Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999, 2:37 PM >>>ambient monkey > > A turkey: animal sounds superimposed over shifting tribal-ambient > bruhaha. Would have its moments were it not for the #^@*$^% animal > grunts, shrieks, squawks, sqeaks, etc. :( ;) >WHAT A BLAST (a/k/a ARCHITECTURE IN >MOTION. Can anyone confirm if this available in the local record shop yet? After this & a couple of older Cds & I will be complete in the CDs I want (& can actually get :) siberkat From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: twosheds [mailto:twosheds@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:52 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 236 > > > From: 'twosheds' > > >>Now why does the name twosheds sound so very familiar? > > > >Arthur 'Two-sheds' Jackson, perhaps? > > Ding ding! Tell him what he's won, Johnny! You're the first person I've > encountered who knows what it's from. Also from the fact that my house has > two sheds. No, I did not write this post in the shed. :-) > > Scott > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed > from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: koulos [mailto:koulos@c...] > > but also in the store there is the following albums..please tell > me wich one to prefer > > dream mixes I > dream mixes II > oasis > quinoa > tournado > timesquare > ambient monkey > > > so wich one shall i obtain?..any help will be apreciated ...... > > np mars polaris > > > > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed > from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 2:22 am Subject: Re: Other TD Most Like MARS POLARIS: TIMESQUARE and WHAT A BLAST In a message dated 10/13/99 3:10:50 PM, Steven Feldman wrote: >TimeSquare: DREAM MIXES II is actually a drum 'n' bass album. I'd disagree with that categorization, except for the track 'Digital Sister.' I only point this out because I wouldn't want someone who wasn't fond of jungle/d'n'b to pass over the album thinking that it was going to be entirely jungle. --Quarlie :) NP: Yes--the Ladder From: James Joystick From: Joel Mullen 0:00 - Phaedra is not all too well recorded. It is noisy, distorted, > and... > 1:18 - ...the opening sounds are in fact a semi-accidentally recorded > rehearsal. But... so what? For a start... > 2:45 - Analog-sampled human voices? They're incredible... This mystic > effect was recreated by Edgar in more recent tracks: 'Walkabout', > 'Turning Off the Wheel' etc. Just a quick comment, I really like how you time indexed your observations. I look forward to printing this out and following along. If others could try and use that format that would be great! While I find everyone's comments interesting they usually don't lend themselves to a guided tour like this! :-) Regards, Joel From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 5:17 am Subject: On 'Melrose'........ On 'Melrose,' track 5 titled 'Electric Lion' the music begins with a peculiar instrument, electric no doubt, which sounds like an electric piano, electric xylophone, and harpsichord, and a number of other things as well. Quite a variety of sounds which progress and change and regroup in real time. I think the keyboard is played by Paul Haslinger because it is very sophisticated in its chording manipulation. What is this instrument? The meager liner notes just say 'Paul Haslinger:keyboards' I don't think I've heard anything quite like this, though. On this same piece, after the middle break, which is reminiscent of a chorus of metal oboes in an underground garage, there is a long section which sounds like Edgar on Guitar -- multitracked. Some of it just doesn't sound quite real enough to be ALL Guitar. I thought that there might be another keyboard mixed in at certain points. Anyone else have an opinion? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18377 Re: On 'Melrose'........ Gabe Yedid Thu 10/14/1999 2 KB 18383 Re: On 'Melrose'........ James Joystick Thu 10/14/1999 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'koulos' > dear sitizens of this globe.....today i finally listen to mars polaris....wea a agreat album...... > but also in the store there is the following albums..please tell me wich one to prefer > > dream mixes I > dream mixes II > oasis > quinoa > tournado > timesquare > ambient monkey > > so wich one shall i obtain?..any help will be apreciated ...... Hi Koulous, my favourite albums from your list are 1.) Oasis, 2.) Quinoa extended and 3.) Timesquare. I don't think you will be disappointed with any of these. Heiko From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 6:36 am Subject: RE: some advice needed 'koulos' Asked > so wich one shall i obtain?..any help will be apreciated ...... > > > dream mixes I Great > dream mixes II Great > oasis great > quinoa a must > tournado nice > timesquare Great > ambient monkey nice > > > So you can see it is very difficult for me to say what albums you must BUY. at least Quinoa.. Greetings > Bert > aka Phrozenlight > > my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ > > > > > > From: 'Simon Slator' From: Christian Villazón Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 12:37 pm Subject: RE: some advice needed -----Mensaje original----- De: koulos [SMTP:koulos@c...] Enviado el: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:30 PM Para: tadream@o... Asunto: [tadream] some advice needed From: 'koulos' dear sitizens of this globe.....today i finally listen to mars polaris....wea a agreat album...... but also in the store there is the following albums..please tell me wich one to prefer dream mixes I dream mixes II oasis quinoa tournado timesquare ambient monkey so wich one shall i obtain?..any help will be apreciated ...... np mars polaris [] I finally received Mars Polaris, yesterday. Only one word: EXCELENT. IMO. If you like Mars Polaris, I recommend you Dream Mixes II(TimeSquare), Quinoa and Oasis. In that order. Best Regards Christian Villazon e-amil:christian@u... ICQ#:38543360 [] [Attachments have been removed from this message] Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'koulos' Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 12:53 pm Subject: thnxs thnxs to all of you i got D.M. i and quinoa and oasis and timesquare/dream mixes II ...this is a single cd is this correct or were there 2 cds and now tdi made it one? thnxs again gotta go listen to all this stuff i get ...... From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 1:39 pm Subject: RE: thnxs/Timesquare Dream mixes 1 was one cd became later 2 cd Dream mixes 2 was and is Timesquare,, a single cd, DM 2 was an 'workname' Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ > ---------- > From: koulos[SMTP:koulos@c...] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 14:53 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] thnxs > > From: 'koulos' > > thnxs to all of you i got D.M. i and quinoa and oasis and timesquare/dream > mixes II ...this is a single cd is this correct or were there 2 cds and > now tdi made it one? > > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 2:24 pm Subject: Re: On 'Melrose'........ On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 PNaunton@a... wrote: > From: PNaunton@a... > > > On 'Melrose,' track 5 titled 'Electric Lion' the music begins with > a peculiar instrument, electric no doubt, which sounds like an electric > piano, electric xylophone, and harpsichord, and a number of other things as > well. Quite a variety of sounds which progress and change and regroup in real > time. I think the keyboard is played by Paul Haslinger because it is very > sophisticated in its chording manipulation. Why can't it be 2 of the 3? ;) Paul is most likely playing lead, to be sure, but I'd venture that Edgar is doing the harmony and chord foundations here. > What is this instrument? The > meager liner notes just say 'Paul Haslinger:keyboards' I don't think I've > heard anything quite like this, though. They were still pretty heavily into the DX7 and Korg M1 at this time, IIRC. > On this same piece, after the middle break, which is reminiscent of > a chorus of metal oboes in an underground garage, there is a long section > which sounds like Edgar on Guitar -- multitracked. Actually, this is both Edgar and Jerome in their first guitar 'duet' together. Jerome is the high keening wail sound, while Edgar is the lower, more 'throaty' sounding one (IMO, of course). > Phil Naunton Gabe From: PNaunton@a... Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 2:45 pm Subject: Re: some advice needed In a message dated 14-10-1999 1:37:08 AM EST, Bert.Hulshoff@N... writes: << > so wich one shall i obtain?..any help will be apreciated ...... > > > dream mixes I > dream mixes II > oasis > quinoa > tournado > timesquare > ambient monkey >> Buy them all. I did. Get to now the intimate pleasures of the relentless pursuit of every note that TD has ever played. 'Gotta catch 'em all!' Phil N. From: horrod6@n... Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 4:31 pm Subject: strand vs stand and sequent c' I dug out my trusty 1974 Virgin vinyl, and it's definitely 'strand' (on both cover and label). Nothing wrong with Craig's eyes or brain on that one! His memory on sequent c' also matches, as far as the placing of the apostrophe goes. It's difficult to tell whether it's an upper or lower case C, as all the lettering on the inside cover is lower case, whilst all the lettering on the label is upper case, so whatever Herr Baumann intended is obscured (possibly deliberately) by Edgar's sleeve design. My German dictionary gives several words for sequence, none of which are 'sequent'- maybe someone who speaks better german than I do can help?. However, there is an english word sequent, meaning (when used as an adjective) following, consequent, successive, consecutive, or (as a noun) a follower, that which follows. As for the meaning of the apostrophe - I too was taught to read it as meaning 'raised by one octave'. Apostrophes are also used musically to indicate when a breath should be taken, which might be applicable to this piece in particular. The WORD apostrophe means a sudden turning away from the ordinary course of a speech - again, maybe appropriate to the contrast presented by this track. However, my personal theory is that the whole thing is a sort of linguistic and visual pun: the apostrophe is used as it is in modern english, to indicate the possessive, and the 'c' is to be read as sea. Thus the whole thing would mean 'follower of the sea'. After which display of useless erudition I shall retire blushing - I'm not normally like this, honest! Love & dreams Marion NP: 'Dream Music - the movie music of Tangerine Dream' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18394 Re: strand vs stand and sequent c' craig.cordrey@g... Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB From: Steve Whiteley Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 4:41 pm Subject: Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > Does anybody have some recommends of recent works that would be > less on the sax and more on the visionary states for an old pair of ears > who > were there early on and have a strong bias toward it? > > Poly > > I second Mars Polaris. Oasis had some songs that really grabbed me, and the video is great, IMO. Dream Mixes was fun. Quinoa Extended, Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal (single). There are quite a few standouts on the newer releases. One of the things we could do when it gets boring here is vote on the best tracks of the 90's. I've been having this TD compilation urge, its been a long time since I felt like that. Oh yeah I forgot, Electronic Orgy, Sea of Dreams, Real Dream Encores. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 6:17 pm Subject: James Joystick's time-indexed album review format I agree! nice format. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > On Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:38 PM, James Joystick > [SMTP:jjoy@u...] wrote: > > 0:00 - Phaedra is not all too well recorded. It is noisy, distorted, > > Just a quick comment, I really like how you time indexed your > observations. I Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18398 Re: James Joystick's time-indexed album review fo James Joystick Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 6:57 pm Subject: D:Studio [Phaedra] Just some words about Phaedra from me... I love this album. The first track is just awesome. Out of nowhere comes this big sound which slowly develops into sequences. Later on the heavily processed mellotron which is just superb. It builds up to a (spooky) climax and after that lots of atmosphere. Superb 'birds' like sounds and mellotron playing. Somebody said that the sound quality wasn't too good, well I agree with that but it fits...sometimes the sound quality musn't be top. Second track is a wonderful mellotron track complete with noise sweeps...not much to say about it. Third track is imo the least good of all the tracks...I never listen to it, mostly because of the annoying organ sound. Last track is okay...a quiet ending sure...it fits, but the track itself is not very special. I like this album because of its 'simplicity'. I don't mean that they are simple structures or whatever, but a sequencer, some chords and a leadline (sometimes)...it makes the music so much better then what they do nowadays with pumping the track so full that there is nothing left for your imagination. (but thats just prbably me rambling again) For track 1 and 2 alone I will give this album a 4AS. (5 was the highest wasn't it?) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: James Joystick Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59 am Subject: Re: On 'Melrose'........ >On this same piece, after the middle break, which is reminiscent of >a chorus of metal oboes in an underground garage, there is a long section >which sounds like Edgar on Guitar -- multitracked. Some of it just doesn't >sound quite real enough to be ALL Guitar. I thought that there might be >another keyboard mixed in at certain points. Anyone else have an opinion? The bass+keyboard intro and outro are very probably played by Haslinger. I don't like them too much - they sound too sugary and clash with the fabulous guitarfest inbetween... I bet the entire guitar part is a Edgar/Jerome duet. Some sounds are clearly not Edgar's style, but his typical playing is also easily detectable in the mix. jjoy From: 'twosheds' Date: Thu Oct 14, 1999 7:45 pm Subject: Portland, Oregon (Precious little TD content) Anyone out there in Tadream-land from Portland or been there? My wife's heading out there for two weeks for work and is looking for stuff to do in her off hours. I'd like to give her a list of TD titles to look for while she's out there. Anyone know of a good CD store? Anyplace else interesting? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18390 Re: Portland, Oregon (Precious little TD content) Synthhtnys@a... Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 1:07 am Subject: Re: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > You wrote > > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > > > Does anybody have some recommends of recent works that would be > > less on the sax and more on the visionary states for an old pair of ears > > who > > were there early on and have a strong bias toward it? > > > > Poly > > > > > you asked for recommends of recent work, try Mars Polaris, it gives me the > 'old' feeling. Yes, Mars Polaris is a masterpiece, IMHO. You also might want to try the Oasis soundtrack -- a lot of old-style TD sequencing in there. If you're feeling really adventurous, you could check out Goblin's Club (a personal favorite), but GC seems to be on many fans' *bottom* 10 list for some strange reason. Good luck, Jared From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 2:28 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] Hi Marcel, If you can find us a nice Dutch pub that will play this CD, I'll make the effort to catch a KLM jet to A'dam on a nice and cold winter weekend.... Let me know ;-) BTW, What's new with your great FSP effort? Vic > Just some words about Phaedra from me... > > I love this album. > The first track is just awesome. Out of nowhere comes this big > sound which slowly develops into sequences. Later on the heavily > processed mellotron which is just superb. > It builds up to a (spooky) climax and after that lots of atmosphere. > Superb 'birds' like sounds and mellotron playing. > Somebody said that the sound quality wasn't too good, well I agree > with that but it fits...sometimes the sound quality musn't be top. From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 6:24 am Subject: Goblin's Club was RE: SV: [Phaedra] productivity theory > : 'Jared White' > > If you're > feeling really adventurous, you could check out Goblin's Club (a personal > favorite), but GC seems to be on many fans' *bottom* 10 list for some > strange reason. > > Good luck, > > Jared > I must agree with Jared, GC is a killer, I also don't know why a lot of list member dislike it? Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ > From Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18391 Re: Goblin's Club was RE: SV: [Phaedra] productiv Christian Villazón Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 7:17 am Subject: RE: D:Studio [Phaedra] > From: Victor Rek > > If you can find us a nice Dutch pub that will play this CD, I'll make > the effort to catch a KLM jet to A'dam on a nice and cold winter > weekend.... Let me know ;-) Ah...well I can't think of a pub who will play such great music. :-) Do you have plans to come over? > BTW, What's new with your great FSP effort? Ahhh, didn't I mentioned it over here? My new CD is ready! Pointless Reminder is out, it's going to SMD, Eurock and lots of other stores. It's already available from Quantum and Groove. So everyone who was waiting for it...the wait is over. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Dale' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 7:37 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Phaedra] If you are ever in my neck of the woods here in Lone Pine CA. stop by and visit Kay's Blues Connection as you will hear lots of TD being played. Both cd's and midi's and a few midi's rearranged by me with a few extra add-ons. While we dont serve beer, I do brew my own (German Style), you can get one for free. dale -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Engels To: tadream@o... Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Phaedra] >From: 'Marcel Engels' > >> From: Victor Rek >> >> If you can find us a nice Dutch pub that will play this CD, I'll make >> the effort to catch a KLM jet to A'dam on a nice and cold winter >> weekend.... Let me know ;-) > >Ah...well I can't think of a pub who will play such great music. :-) >Do you have plans to come over? > >> BTW, What's new with your great FSP effort? > >Ahhh, didn't I mentioned it over here? >My new CD is ready! Pointless Reminder is out, it's going to SMD, Eurock >and lots of other stores. It's already available from Quantum and Groove. >So everyone who was waiting for it...the wait is over. > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels >Email :fsp@w... > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 8:15 am Subject: Re: Portland, Oregon (Precious little TD content) In a message dated 10/14/99 9:36:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, twosheds@g... writes: << Anyone out there in Tadream-land from Portland or been there? My wife's heading out there for two weeks for work and is looking for stuff to do in her off hours. I'd like to give her a list of TD titles to look for while she's out there. Anyone know of a good CD store? Anyplace else interesting? Scott >> *Well I'm from across the river and spend quite a bit of time there. What does she like? If she reads tell her to go to Powell's Books. It's the largest bookstore on the west coast. There are forests, mountains, rivers, Up north she could see Mt. St. Helens which is amazing. One thing for sure without a doubt have her drive up the Columbia River Gorge, which is stunning. If she would more likely stay in town nw 23rd is a nice upscale section, but I'm partial to the funkier charm of Hawthorne. Portland is a beautiful city. Music Millenium has a nice CD shop on Burnside, which is near the Hawthorne area (My choice.) I don't know where you're from... There's not an over abundance of shops carrying Berlin School... MM is your best choice. Hawthorne (one more plug) has a million used CD stores, as well as a Ben and Jerry's, Fujin (excellent Szechuan) Biddy Mcgraws (Great Irish pub) Ehhhhh just have her go to Hawthorne!!!!!!! ;-) Let me know if there's anything else. Also, Phil Derby lives there, I'm sure he'd have a few ideas Poly From: Christian Villazón : 'Jared White' > > If you're > feeling really adventurous, you could check out Goblin's Club (a personal > favorite), but GC seems to be on many fans' *bottom* 10 list for some > strange reason. > > Good luck, > > Jared > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Christian Villazón Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 1:28 pm Subject: Phaedra Phaedra 1. Phaedra 2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 3. Movements of a Visionary 4. Sequent 'C' Edgar Froese - Mellotron, bass, VCS3 synthesizer, organ Chris Franke - Moog synthesizer, organ, VCS3 synthesizer Peter Baumann - organ, electric piano,VCS3 synthesizer, flute I'm relatively new in the list. My name is Christian and I'm from Bolivia. I started to listen TANGERINE DREAM with the albums Melrose and Rockoon. When I got these albums I did not know anything about the Virgin years (Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet, ..). Finally I could get Phaedra (and all the Virgin records) after eight years (1998) of my first album. Phaedra is an excellent album in both senses: experimental and artistic. It is also the result of Franke effort with the Moog synth at Hansa Studios. (I thing, It is the second time that Jerome appears in the back cover). The first track 'Phaedra' is the result of years of experimentation with the Moog Synth. Franke studied this Synth for aproximately 2 years (all the connectors and those things). After this, Franke discovered that he can do and endless sequence. In the other side, Edgar is a master on the Mellotron. Both Synths are in Phaedra. Phaedra starts with an excellent sequence (Moog) and in the 10:20 starts the Mellotron. It is interesting to know the differences of opinions between Franke and Froese. Franke wanted to produce sounds by means of the Moog (sounds generated electronically), while Edgar preferred the Mellotron (with pre-recorded sounds). I think, this difference of opinions is present in Phaedra. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd like to listen some opinions about this? The second track 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares' is very peaceful and here we can listen the preference of the Mellotron by Edgar Froese. This track is very similar to the first work of Jean Michel Jarre 'Oxygen' Again In 'Movements of a Visionary' there is an excellent sequence. In the back It is possible to listen the Mellotron, which one makes me remember 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' (Stuntman) Sequent 'C' is Baumann work at the flute. Finally, I'd like to say that It is good to listen diferent opinions. It was a good idea talk about one album per week. Best regard Christian Villazón christian@u... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18405 Re: Phaedra Greg Fri 10/15/1999 3 KB 22596 Phaedra Todd Tornow Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22610 Re: Phaedra Yensen, Stephen Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 22636 Re: Phaedra Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22611 Re: Phaedra Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22616 Re: Phaedra Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 22619 Re: Phaedra Gabe Yedid Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: GOBLINS' CLUB and 'Sequent C' Let me get this straight: folk here think that GOBLINS' CLUB sucks while 'Sequent C' (PHAEDRA) is *good*? X-0 Whoo boy. Next thing you know, someone's going to launch into a soliloquy over THE FORK IN THE TOASTER (aka ZEIT). Bro-ther! :( It may be that I prefer the Baumann and Jerome Years to the Schmoelling Years, these days, but ELECTRONIC MEDITATION and ZEIT do *not* feature Baumann *nor* Jerome!!!!!!!!!! ;) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + Ben and Jerry: ice cream with enough saturated fat to kill a blue whale Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18395 Re: GOBLINS' CLUB and 'Sequent C' Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB 18396 Re: GOBLINS' CLUB and 'Sequent C' shoults Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 12:03 pm Subject: Re: strand vs stand and sequent c' >From: horrod6@n... > >Marion Many thanks for your eloquent points, Marion. I like the 'follower of the sea' idea. For some reason, I had always seen the term as French - I didn't realise there was an English word 'sequent'. And it's good to see the female population fo this list now counts 2 (or is it 3) of the 271. NP : Valentine Wheels, strangely. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 2:04 pm Subject: RE: GOBLINS' CLUB and 'Sequent C' I'm sorry Zeit feature Baumann > ---------- > From: Steven Feldman[SMTP:AR402004@B...] > Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 15:29 > To: Tangerine Dream mailing list > Subject: [tadream] GOBLINS' CLUB and 'Sequent C' > > From: Steven Feldman > > Let me get this straight: folk here think that GOBLINS' CLUB sucks > while 'Sequent C' (PHAEDRA) is *good*? X-0 Whoo boy. Next thing you > know, someone's going to launch into a soliloquy over THE FORK IN THE > TOASTER (aka ZEIT). Bro-ther! :( > It may be that I prefer the Baumann and Jerome Years to the > Schmoelling Years, these days, but ELECTRONIC MEDITATION and ZEIT do > *not* feature Baumann *nor* Jerome!!!!!!!!!! ;) > > -- Steven Feldman > + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + > Ben and Jerry: ice cream with enough saturated fat to kill a blue whale > Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account > > From: 'shoults' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 2:20 pm Subject: RE: GOBLINS' CLUB and 'Sequent C' Not at all! GC is in a tie with MP for my favorite of the '90s (well, DM1 is up there, too, but in a slightly different category). IMO, Sequent C' is just fine, but not my favorite track on the album. If I had to pick a favorite from Phaedra, it might be Movements of a Visionary. In a way, Sequent C' kinda reminded me of Oasis' Cedar Breaks (although I don't really care much for Cedar Breaks). One thing I've noticed big time though: using headphones to listen to TD reveals much you cannot hear while driving down the highway, or passively listening as you perform other tasks. I'm constantly amazed at the new things I find in music I've heard 1000 times when I use headphones! -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:AR402004@B...] ... > Let me get this straight: folk here think that GOBLINS' CLUB sucks > while 'Sequent C' (PHAEDRA) is *good*? X-0 Whoo boy. Next thing you ... From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 2:27 pm Subject: Live albums What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? I'm torn between 'Ricochet' and 'Logos'. 'Poland' and 'Encore' are also fine albums, but they do go on a bit. I'm also looking for a copy of Peter Baumann's 'Trans Harmonic Nights' - preferably on CD and available for purchase in the UK. Can anyone help? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18400 Re: Live albums Steven Le Vine Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB 18402 Re: Live albums Owens James Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB 18403 Re: Live albums Owens James Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB 18404 Re: Live albums Tony Walsh Fri 10/15/1999 2 KB 18407 Re: Live albums Patrik * Sat 10/16/1999 2 KB 18408 Live albums Paul Fellows Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB 18409 Re: Live albums Carl & Jacqui Kearney Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB 18418 Re: Live albums Gustavo Jobim Sat 10/16/1999 1 KB 18420 Re: Live albums TOMX01@xxx.xxx Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB From: James Joystick Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59 am Subject: Re: James Joystick's time-indexed album review format >> Just a quick comment, I really like how you time indexed your observations. >I agree! nice format. I learned the trick reading classical reviews... Sorry for coming up with the idea a little late. My collection includes almost every officially released TD album since Phaedra, but I do not have Zeit and Atem, and simply didn't have anything to add to the discussion about EM. BTW, my ICQ number: 31562499 jjoy NP - Ricochet Part 1, 7:36 onward (can't wait to write about this!) From: 'twosheds' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 3:07 pm Subject: Sequent c' Perhaps it was meant to be read together, i.e. 'sequence.' Phaedra on the whole is fabbo, IMHO. It was my first TD album, in 1983, after seeing 'The Soldier.' I was expecting something a little more hip and upbeat, and was actually kind of bummed after hearing it the first time, but then when I realized that there's some music from Phaedra in The Soldier, I liked it a lot more and now it's among my faves. Scott From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 4:34 pm Subject: Re: Live albums Hey Simon, Live Miles IMHO, is the best live album. Poland is good as well :) However, Valentine wheels is growing on me. Anyone want to get technical by saying that because these albums were slightly modified that they cannot be considered true live albums? As I am unsure, I am under the impression that Poland was modified by Edgar as we have seen he almost always has to contribute a few touch-ups. siberkat ---------- >From: 'Simon Slator' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Live albums >Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999, 10:27 AM > > From: 'Simon Slator' > > What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? From: TOMX01@a... Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 5:16 pm Subject: D:Studio (Phaedra) Track One: Phaedra Although Phaedra showcases some of Frankes earliest experimentation's with Moog loops I feel it is the general atmospheric feel to this album that gives it its unique character. Maybe I will upset a few list members by saying that in my opinion this album plays like a trial run for Rubycon, but Phaedra is a very fruitful and interesting learning curve. I am a great believer in the theory that the general physical characteristics of the area in which you work is greatly reflected in the output. You can almost picture the frost forming on the grass at the manor studios as another short December days ends. Track Two: Mysterious Semblance This has always been my favourite track on Phaedra. Quite why the childrens voices were included at the beginning of this track on the remaster CD as far as the track separation is concerned I have no idea. Were these vocals at the end of side one of the vinyl or at the start of part two? Anyway .... Lovely textures ... quite reminiscent of zeit, excellent use of the Mellotron. As much as I hate to compare TD to Jarre, Oxygene in general does have a very similar feel to this track. Track Three: Movements Of A Visionary Technically this piece is probably the best produced track on the album in my opinion but it doesn't seem to have the vibrancy and feeling consistent in the rest of the album. Track Four: Sequent 'C' I really like this track... simple but very effective ... again very nice textures. Overall: An interesting album, an important learning curve the band had to go through. Ironic that it is to the best of my knowledge still by far there biggest selling album. In my opinion Rubycon was there first truly outstanding album ... but thats another story. Thanks for all the reviews guys, very interesting reading. Tom Earnest Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18419 Re: D:Studio (Phaedra) PNaunton@xxx.xxx Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB 18421 Re: D:Studio (Phaedra) TOMX01@xxx.xxx Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB 18438 Re: D:Studio (Phaedra) Owens James Sun 10/17/1999 2 KB 18497 Re: D:Studio (Phaedra) James Joystick Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB From: Owens James Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 9:08 pm Subject: RE: Live albums I'd have to say either Logos or Pergammon, though Logos is my first choice. Logos is the first album I ever heard that really made me feel like I had been a part of the concert. Starting with the enigmatic '...thank you for being patient...' and ending with the very enthusiastic applause after the remarkable encore (Dominion). (There's plenty of cool music in between as well...) James PS: I don't think Poland goes on too long at all. I just have a special place in my heart for Logos, and the music seems to have more continuity. I love Poland though! > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Simon Slator' > > What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? I'm torn > between > 'Ricochet' and 'Logos'. 'Poland' and 'Encore' are also fine albums, but > they > do go on a bit. > > From: Owens James Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 9:29 pm Subject: RE: Live albums From the live tapes I've heard, Poland is fairly well intact from the actual concert. The difference is that some previously released material that was played was removed from the album (and Space on the vinyl was a problem too I'm sure). Also, according to the TD web page, there were several power outages during the concert. The equipment was cold enough that it had to constantly be re-tuned as it warmed up. Also there was a severe ice/snow storm just prior to the concert which had left several FEET of snow on the roof of the stadium, threatening to collapse it. If you ask me, this is a miracle concert, and we should be happy to have the music from it in such nice form. (And happy that our favorite band survived the experience!) James > -----Original Message----- > > As I am unsure, I am under the impression that Poland was modified by > Edgar > as we have seen he almost always has to contribute a few touch-ups. > > siberkat > > From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Live albums James, Nice to know you felt part of the 'Logos' gig. I was lucky enough to be there and offer you the following memories: 'Thank you for being patient' came about because the gig started 45 minutes late! They did two shows at the Dominion that day and the first one finished late. The applause was enthusiastic as the atmosphere in there was unbelievable - the bass at the beginning of 'Part 2' vibrated through the seating (at least in the circle where I was!). 'Dominion' was the last of three encores - the first half of 'Mojave Plan' came first, then 'White Eagle' (the photo on the cover with planet earth back projected) then 'Dominion'. I was also at Shepherd's Bush in November 97, but I don't have a copy of 'Valentine Wheels'. Take care, Tony. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Owens James > > I'd have to say either Logos or Pergammon, though Logos is my first choice. > Logos is the first album I ever heard that really made me feel like I had > been a part of the concert. Starting with the enigmatic '...thank you for > being patient...' and ending with the very enthusiastic applause after the > remarkable encore (Dominion). (There's plenty of cool music in between as > well...) > > James > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 9:53 pm Subject: Re: Phaedra > From: Christian Villazón > > The first track 'Phaedra' is the result of years of experimentation with the Moog Synth. Franke studied this Synth for aproximately 2 years (all the connectors and those things). After this, Franke discovered that he can do and endless sequence. In the other side, Edgar is a master on the Mellotron. Both Synths are in Phaedra. Phaedra starts with an excellent sequence (Moog) and in the 10:20 starts the Mellotron. It is interesting to know the differences of opinions between Franke and Froese. Franke wanted to produce sounds by means of the Moog (sounds generated electronically), while Edgar preferred the Mellotron (with pre-recorded sounds). I think, this difference of opinions is present in Phaedra. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd like to listen some opinions about this? > Exactly... I think this is why Edgar tends towards using presets on his modern digital synths. The Mellotron is considered the first sampler and I think that the modern digital synths with hundreds or even thousands of presets represents the same thing. I think the sound Edgar likes the most comes from an acoustic birth -- like the harpsichord, guitar, violin and piano. Jarre differs in that most of his work is through electronic means and he accomplishes a more surreal electronic sound by moving away from more acoustic instruments. Funny how things shifted. Chris seems to have adopted the electric/acoustic idea in his Babylon soundtracks. But he tends to use actual real acoustic sources rather then electrically faked (I think I heard this about how he communicates and records with an orchestra during composing through a long distance direct tele-wire.) Greg H. > > Best regard > Christian Villazón > christian@u... > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 9:49 pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' Al, I feel I must correct an error in your mail!. It wasn't me who came up with the link - it was Jonathan. (I've had a look - it's good). Glad to be of help. Tony. ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Alan Benson' > > > It turns out that the TV series Phaedra_TD had recalled is: > 'Children of the Stones.' This was an HTV 1976 production. > Tadream list member, Tony Walsh, reported in Tadream the > following useful link: > 'Children of the Stones.' > http://www.sarsen.demon.co.uk/children/index.html > > My thanks also go out once again to Tadream list members: > Jonathan Teague and Nick Adams who also responded > in kind. Now, Phaedra_TD has her homework to do and > I'll certainly get a full report later... Clearly, music is truly > a powerful force within our lives and one which is not likely > to disappear any time soon -- so long as we have ears and > hearts. Long live and prosper: 'Tangerine Dream' may they > last well beyond the next millenium... > > Best Regards, > > Al > Berkeley, CA / USA > From: 'Patrik *' Date: Sat Oct 16, 1999 2:56 am Subject: RE: Live albums Hallo Dreamers! James, I have to agree, I think that Poland is a masterpiece, what other 'songs' did they play during that evening? You must consider that this was before they all hooked up on the Steinberg Sequencer software, so they were still triggering each others customized sequencers. Quite staggering sequencer-loops there, nicely blended together with the crystalclear PPG´s and the powerful Jupiter 8´s and so on and so on....Poland is absolutely magnificent!! Patrik, Stockholm NP: Korg Triton Workstation/Sampler From the live tapes I've heard, Poland is fairly well intact from the actual concert. The difference is that some previously released material that was played was removed from the album (and Space on the vinyl was a problem too I'm sure). Also, according to the TD web page, there were several power outages during the concert. The equipment was cold enough that it had to constantly be re-tuned as it warmed up. Also there was a severe ice/snow storm just prior to the concert which had left several FEET of snow on the roof of the stadium, threatening to collapse it. If you ask me, this is a miracle concert, and we should be happy to have the music from it in such nice form. (And happy that our favorite band survived the experience!) James From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 10:33 pm Subject: Live albums While we're on the subject of live albums, I'd just like to say that my favourites are 'LiveMiles' and 'Valentine Wheels', the former because it is so different to their other albums and has a kind of 'icy coolness' about it, and the latter because of the smooth 'bridges' between the tracks, little gems in themselves. For those of you out there who haven't seen it already, allow me to take this opportunity to show the link to my new TD discography on the web: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Edgar Froese solo albums, the rest of the compilations and singles soon to follow... Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18409 Re: Live albums Carl & Jacqui Kearney Fri 10/15/1999 1 KB 18418 Re: Live albums Gustavo Jobim Sat 10/16/1999 1 KB 18420 Re: Live albums TOMX01@xxx.xxx Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB 18436 Re: Live albums Owens James Sun 10/17/1999 3 KB 18444 Re: Live albums Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Mon 10/18/1999 1 KB 18447 Re: Live albums Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Mon 10/18/1999 2 KB 18448 Re: Live albums Owens James Mon 10/18/1999 2 KB 18453 Re: Live albums PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 10/18/1999 2 KB 18454 Re: Live albums Owens James Mon 10/18/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 10:33 pm Subject: Re: Live albums ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Slator To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 3:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Live albums > From: 'Simon Slator' > > What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? I'm torn between > 'Ricochet' and 'Logos'. 'Poland' and 'Encore' Hi Simon you may want to try Pergamon , one of my faves but if you are choosing from the list above I would go for Poland or Logos. Not a lot of help I know . Best regards Carl ' Orch ' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 10:36 pm Subject: Helpfull Advice. Hi Guys I just wanted to post a thank you to Martin Kay from the TDI office for his help in clearing up a few things that came up on the Tdi guest book. Thanks Martin for your understanding. I am sure we will speak again soon . Best Regards Carl ' Orch ' From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Oct 16, 1999 4:29 am Subject: What A Blast! - US Version CD & Video(s) are now out! I just received these items today, so I have no time for reviews, but I want to post the details anyway: RELEASE: USA MIRAMAR - WHAT A BLAST (ARCHITECTURE IN MOTION) CAT #: 09006-23144-2 The CD cover is totally different than the TDI version - shows a cover which looks like a beach highrise hotel is being blown up (palm trees included too)! Comparing the CD to the Euro version very quickly - I noticed that track one (1) is missing on the US version - everything else 'sounds' OK. Now the catch - there are FOUR (4) What A Blast Videos: They all have different holographic covers! I'll try to post reviews later, but here are the details: 1. Detonation Countdown - UPX70304 - 35 minutes 2. Demolition Artist - UPX70305 - 46 minutes 3. Architecture in Motion - UPX70306 - 42 minutes 4. For Kids! - UPX70307 - 32 minutes They should be available in your local stores soon! I hope! Vic From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: Re: Re: Re: 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' Tony corrected Al and kindly wrote: > Al, > > I feel I must correct an error in your mail!. > > It wasn't me who came up with the link - it was Jonathan. > (I've had a look - it's good). > Glad to be of help. > > Tony. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: 'Alan Benson' >> >> It turns out that the TV series Phaedra_TD had recalled is: >> 'Children of the Stones.' This was an HTV 1976 production. >> Tadream list member, Tony Walsh, reported in Tadream the >> following useful link: >> 'Children of the Stones.' >> http://www.sarsen.demon.co.uk/children/index.html >> >> My thanks also go out once again to Tadream list members: >> Jonathan Teague and Nick Adams who also responded >> in kind. Now, Phaedra_TD has her homework to do and >> I'll certainly get a full report later... Clearly, music is truly >> a powerful force within our lives and one which is not likely >> to disappear any time soon -- so long as we have ears and >> hearts. Long live and prosper: 'Tangerine Dream' may they >> last well beyond the next millenium... >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Al >> Berkeley, CA / USA PPS: Well, at least I was able to use that timely quote above ('Clearly, music is...'), in the TDI Home Page guestbook on 10/13/99, after they (TD Office) made their little statement! Unbeknownst to me at the time... LOL _________________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'Marcel Engels' From: horrod6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: Sat Oct 16, 1999 5:49 pm Subject: Miscellany 1) Favourite live albums: Whilst Poland is probably the most evocative - try listening to it through headphones on the train - I think 220 volts is absolutely AWESOME. Mind you, there may be some reason why you guys don't class it as a live album - I'm not as clued up on all the detail as many of you seem to be. 2) Productivity: I find listening to any non-verbal music enhances my productivity, especially when I'm keyboard bashing (programming or writing reports). Obviously, I don't need to tell you what the best non- verbal music in the world is! I found this out when I lived in a noisy hall of residence at uni. 3) Headphones: I definitely agree that the best way to pick up every nuance is to listen through cans - I rarely play TD through speakers, except when I'm sharing it with friends. Maybe if I had a better system? It also helps with the productivity enhancement, as it cuts out external noise. 4) Females: don't count me as one - I'm just a tomboy who never grew up! 5) Time marked reviews: I agree, it's a great way of helping someone else to understand your vision. Unfortunately, an awful lot of my TD collection is on tape (or taped from my own vinyl), so it doesn't help me personally. 6) Goblin's Club: thanks for prodding me into giving it another listen! I don't usually rate TD albums as being better than one another - I have days when I want to listen to Zeit, and I have days when I want to listen to Hyperborea - it's just that there are more of the latter than the former! Goblin's Club isn't one I listen to very often: it seems 'bitty' to me, with some good ideas incompletely worked out. But I particularly like 'Elf June' and 'Rising haul'. Dream on! Marion From: Steven Feldman | ^ HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18441 Re: Whoopsie Joe Shoults Mon 10/18/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? I'm torn between >'Ricochet' and 'Logos'. 'Poland' and 'Encore' are also fine albums, but they >do go on a bit. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 17, 1999 3:08 am Subject: Re: D:Studio (Phaedra) In a message dated 15-10-1999 12:16:44 PM EST, TOMX01@a... writes: << Quite why the childrens voices were included at the beginning of this track on the remaster CD as far as the track separation is concerned I have no idea. Were these vocals at the end of side one of the vinyl or at the start of part two? >> Sometimes this is performed automatically by the master CD recorder. I have had similar problems with the domestic units. A large gap in the music will trigger a track break code insertion. Once it's done it pretty much has to stick or one has to record two or three tracks over again or perhaps the whole disc. Phil N. From: TOMX01@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 17, 1999 3:10 am Subject: Re: Live albums For me Livemiles is the one. It is in fact my favourite album overall let alone my favourite live album. It contains dark, mysterious, beautifully layered sequences that connect together as fluidly as TD have ever done. Granted that this is due to touching up in the studio and adding link sections but I think that is what makes it so cohesive. It is unique to the music of TD where many of the album favourites are live albums, as with most bands the tendency is for the live albums to the least liked. This is certainly the case for me as Poland and Ricochet would also appear in my top 10 favourites. However I still have not yet heard Pergamon, although I will rectify that situation soon. Tom Earnest From: TOMX01@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 17, 1999 3:13 am Subject: Re: D:Studio (Phaedra) In a message dated 10/17/99 4:08:52 AM GMT Daylight Time, PNaunton@a... writes: << << Quite why the childrens voices were included at the beginning of this track on the remaster CD as far as the track separation is concerned I have no idea. Were these vocals at the end of side one of the vinyl or at the start of part two? >> Sometimes this is performed automatically by the master CD recorder. I have had similar problems with the domestic units. A large gap in the music will trigger a track break code insertion. Once it's done it pretty much has to stick or one has to record two or three tracks over again or perhaps the whole disc. Phil N. >> Well we all know that the Virgin Remaster series was a bit sloppy in more ways than one. =) Tom From: Gustavo Jobim Edgar likes the most comes from an acoustic birth -- like the harpsichord, >guitar, violin and piano. Jarre differs in that most of his work is through >electronic means and he accomplishes a more surreal electronic sound by >moving away from more acoustic instruments. --------------- That's why I tend to call TD an 'electronic rock band', or anything like that. They use a lot of acoustic instruments, but they know exactly how to blend acoustics and electronics. Jarre is a 'true' electronic composer. He rarely uses acoustic instruments (he did in Chronologie, but that was Patrick Rondat's electric guitar.) Just some lines I wanted to add to this thread. :) gfj Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Gustavo Jobim Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18455 Re: Lives and solos reviews Lawry Simm Sun 10/17/1999 1 KB 18456 Re: Lives and solos reviews Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/19/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim However I still have not yet heard Pergamon, although I will rectify that >situation soon. I don't have this one, but I've heard some parts from the CD in my usual store. It seems to be very good! It'll be my next live album. So, an advice: go get Pergamon! :) gfj np schmoelling's wuivend riet part 2, final part (exxcxcxcxcellent!) Gustavo Ferreira Jobim lehciM @ IRCNet (irc.stealth.net) ZeDaCapitinga @ BrasNET (irc.brasnet.org) From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 17, 1999 7:06 am Subject: D:Studio [Phaedra] Another long and somewhat late review from me. Last weekend was busy and I had no chance to write (which can take some time when you're verbose). I've had this album for a while and listened to it many times, unlike the other two I've reviewed so far, but I'm not sure if that'll make a difference in how I write about it. --- 1. Phaedra From the very beginning, it's clear that this is something different from the previous albums. It opens with a bit of ambience, and a couple of odd sounds come and go fairly quickly. A sort of bubbling or flowing sequence plays for a moment before solidifying into an eerie melody. (It's a melody by my standards, anyway--there was a brief debate about this on the old list.) Chimes and wavering chords punctuate the atmosphere. The sequence is joined by some nice Mellotron sounds--not as nice as the ones on, say, 'Rubycon,' but I'm getting ahead of myself. Does anybody know what produces that morphing tone that comes in at about 3:35? Regardless, it's cool. I can't imagine how futuristic this must have seemed in 1974 (I wasn't around then). Everything quiets down for the bass guitar (that's what I assume it is, anyway--the liner notes refer to a 'guitar-bass'), and after a bit of that, a new, shorter sequence appears and is joined by various blips and bleeps. I think I'm on a spaceship of some sort now. The sequence changes a bit and starts moving from ear to ear. Something that sounds like a heavily filtered guitar goes flying by, and then there's more bass guitar (I think?) playing along with the Moog. It's starting to get pretty intense, especially with that deep buzz coming in every few moments. The sequence keeps changing until I have no idea what's going on, and then it starts to rise and rise until it explodes in a frenzy of oscillation. A beautiful Mellotron sound shows up for just a moment, and then it gets quiet, with a few noises echoing past at intervals. The 'quiet with noises' theme goes on for a couple minutes, and then, gradually, my favorite part gets going. I LOVE the ending to this track. Unlike many of the tracks on 'Zeit' and 'Atem,' which just faded away when their time was up, 'Phaedra' makes it clear that it's leaving by way of a long and grandiose outro. This ending challenges the intro to 'Atem' in terms of majesty and general hugeness, though it is significantly more subdued. The final chord is spine-tingling. This is easily my favorite track on the album. --- 2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares I have the SBM version of the album, so the extremely faint sounds of children open this track rather than closing the previous one. There isn't too much to say about them, but then the Mellotron strings come in. Spacey whooshes and rumblings and oscillations underline the Mellotron chords (even if in space no one can hear you whoosh). At about 5:20, the background sounds disappear, and some additional Mellotron lines (I think; I have no expertise in this area, but that's what it sounds like to me) fill their place, taking the melody in a somewhat different and more conventional direction, but a minute later, it returns to the original theme. Some more overtly electronic sounds fill the space around the Mellotron. From this point on, it doesn't change too much. It's a good way to spend 11 minutes, but not a favorite. --- 3. Movements of a Visionary One of my favorite ambient artists, Dilate, sampled the first few seconds of this track and used them on two of his pieces ('Farewell' and 'Terrace Serpent'). Apart from that factoid, I don't find the intro too exciting. But soon, a really unique sequence shows up. The weird effects from the beginning have more impact on me with this flowing sequence backing them up. As the sequence starts to change a bit, a great organ line comes in, reminding me of one of my favorite TD-related pieces, Edgar's 'Upland.' An interesting keyboard (electric piano?) comes in around 3:45 and plays a rather attractive tune. The sequence continues to change, the organ continues to be cool, and in general, this track is fascinating me. After a few more minutes, everything goes quiet as some sporadic sound effects bring about the ending. The track could stand to be a bit longer, but apart from that, I love it. --- 4. Sequent C' A bit of flute atmosphere to close the album. It's nice, but it's short. (On a side note, I always assumed the C' meant 'C prime,' not that it makes much sense in the context. I haven't had any musical training beyond piano lessons, so the alternate interpretation escaped me.) --- All in all, 'Phaedra' is not just an important album, but a very entertaining one as well. I don't think anybody needs me to recommend it, but I will anyway. --Quarlie :) NP: Dilate--Cyclos (I put it in after I finished the review to check which track contained that sample, and decided to keep going) From: 'Alan Benson' From: 'Alan Benson' 1) Favourite live albums: Whilst Poland is probably the most > evocative - try listening to it through headphones on the train - > I think 220 volts is absolutely AWESOME. Mind you, there may > be some reason why you guys don't class it as a live album - > I'm not as clued up on all the detail as many of you seem to be. > > 2) Productivity: I find listening to any non-verbal music enhances > my productivity, especially when I'm keyboard bashing (programming > or writing reports). Obviously, I don't need to tell you what the best > non-verbal music in the world is! I found this out when I lived in a noisy > hall of residence at uni. > > 3) Headphones: I definitely agree that the best way to pick up every > nuance is to listen through cans - I rarely play TD through speakers, > except when I'm sharing it with friends. Maybe if I had a better system? > It also helps with the productivity enhancement, as it cuts out external > noise. > > 4) Females: don't count me as one - I'm just a tomboy who never grew > up! > > 5) Time marked reviews: I agree, it's a great way of helping someone > else to understand your vision. Unfortunately, an awful lot of my TD > collection is on tape (or taped from my own vinyl), so it doesn't help me > personally. > > 6) Goblin's Club: thanks for prodding me into giving it another listen! > I don't usually rate TD albums as being better than one another - I > have days when I want to listen to Zeit, and I have days when I want > to listen to Hyperborea - it's just that there are more of the latter than > the former! Goblin's Club isn't one I listen to very often: it seems > 'bitty' to me, with some good ideas incompletely worked out. But I > particularly like 'Elf June' and 'Rising haul'. > > Dream on! > > Marion ___________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'Jonathan Teague' To: Sent: 16 October 1999 15:59 Subject: Re: (x4!): 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' > > Dear Jonathan, > > I wanted to make sure that you saw this one! > > Best Regards, > > -- Al > Berkeley, CA / USA > > Dear Tony, > > Yes!!! Sheepish grin exposed once again my TD friends, > and THANKS for pointing that out! Guessing that I was trying > too hard to make sure to 'thank everyone' who responded! > > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:49:49 +0100 > From: 'Tony Walsh' > Subject: Re: Re: Re: 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' > > > Al, > > > > I feel I must correct an error in your mail!. > > > > It wasn't me who came up with the link - it was Jonathan. > > (I've had a look - it's good). > > Glad to be of help. From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Marcel Engels' From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > http://www.teleport.com/~botielus/index.html/Botielus.html > > Can someone check this out and let me know what you think? (who is this botielus? Are you Botielus, Michael?) Well, I've only seen the webpage (didn't download his music). Hmmm...I don't know - personally I don't like CDs/cassettes where a big picture of the artist is on it. It's okay (imo) to put in somewhere else (backcover/inside). Second...I don't know who made this page. If it is himself then I find it very strange that he calls his music beautiful and wonderful. If it's a fanpage then it's probably okay. I personally would never say in my web-page that I make beautiful music...thats for the listener to decide. These are just my thoughts. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19487 Re: patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Tue 11/30/1999 2 KB 19498 Re: Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 11/30/1999 1 KB From: Victor Rek From: Victor Rek From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 17, 1999 9:13 pm Subject: Re: Updated TD Links In a message dated 10/17/99 9:08:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, torque19@i... writes: << I just updated my trade list and simple web page. >> *What's the address? Poly From: Victor Rek From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Walsh [SMTP:tony.walsh@c...] > Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 4:45 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Live albums > > From: 'Tony Walsh' > > James, > > Nice to know you felt part of the 'Logos' gig. > > I was lucky enough to be there and offer you the following memories: > 'Thank > you for being patient' came about because the gig started 45 minutes late! > They did two shows at the Dominion that day and the first one finished > late. > > The applause was enthusiastic as the atmosphere in there was unbelievable > - > the bass at the beginning of 'Part 2' vibrated through the seating (at > least > in the circle where I was!). > > 'Dominion' was the last of three encores - the first half of 'Mojave Plan' > came first, then 'White Eagle' (the photo on the cover with planet earth > back projected) then 'Dominion'. > > I was also at Shepherd's Bush in November 97, but I don't have a copy of > 'Valentine Wheels'. > > Take care, > > Tony. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Owens James > > > > I'd have to say either Logos or Pergammon, though Logos is my first > choice. > > Logos is the first album I ever heard that really made me feel like I > had > > been a part of the concert. Starting with the enigmatic '...thank you > for > > being patient...' and ending with the very enthusiastic applause after > the > > remarkable encore (Dominion). (There's plenty of cool music in between > as > > well...) > > > > James > > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Gustavo Jobim Oh look - I didn't manage a review of Green Desert and I've >already missed the boat on Phaedra. Why aren't there more >hours in the day? no problem! make your late reviews! gfj . From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 15-10-1999 12:16:44 PM EST, TOMX01@a... writes: > > << Quite why the childrens > voices were included at the beginning of this track on the remaster CD as > > far > as the track separation is concerned I have no idea. Were these vocals at > > the > end of side one of the vinyl or at the start of part two? >> > > Sometimes this is performed automatically by the master CD > recorder. I have had similar problems with the domestic units. A large gap > in > the music will trigger a track break code insertion. Once it's done it > pretty > much has to stick or one has to record two or three tracks over again or > perhaps the whole disc. > > Phil N. > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Nick Adams' From: Victor Rek > > Is the Goldtri list still alive? I wanted to post a positive comment > on Rafael Toral which I saw last Tuesday. A young guy from Portugal > which is dubbed as a sound engineer. ----Snip---------- Well it is sort of alive...but most people are over on Beyond_em, to subscribe go to onelist etc..... Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Gustavo Jobim Here are my proud 'Phaedra' TD entries >(with 'VITD' listings): (...) >Gosh, I need a bloody TD 'Phaedra' tenth! ~ LOL ~ >________________________________________>>> Get a Brazilian Phaedra vinyl! I've got one! (and that's the only Phaedra i've got :) gustavo jobim - rio de janeiro - brazil np the inner child (tubular bells 3) gfj . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18458 Re: the tenth phaedra td entry was Re: Studio Wee Alan Benson Tue 10/19/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:AR402004@B...] > Whoopsie. I forgot that one of the TD lists is moderated and does > not allow mentioning boots. And I forgot which one is the one. Sorry > about that. From: Steven Feldman From: 'Simon Slator' From: Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Date: Mon Oct 18, 1999 9:50 am Subject: RE:Live albums They are all great albums in their own special way but if I had to pick just one it would definately be Encore. It is not only a marvellous live album but probably one of the best albums ever released, all cathegories. I only have the vinyl version but then again who would want any other? /Olle > From: 'Simon Slator' >Subject: Live albums >What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? I'm torn between >'Ricochet' and 'Logos'. 'Poland' and 'Encore' are also fine albums, but they >do go on a bit. From: cosmos From: Gustavo Jobim 7. theme from streethawk 3'13' > >my question is can someone who has/knows (some:) the original titles of the above >mentioned tracks >as they appear on the original albums. gfj . From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Oct 18, 1999 12:40 pm Subject: RE: Live albums Best live albums IMHO Encore and Polen Bert > ---------- > From: Simon Slator[SMTP:in6471@w...] > Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 16:27 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Live albums > > From: 'Simon Slator' > > What is everyone's opinion on what TD's best live album is? I'm torn > between > 'Ricochet' and 'Logos'. 'Poland' and 'Encore' are also fine albums, but > they > do go on a bit. > > I'm also looking for a copy of Peter Baumann's 'Trans Harmonic Nights' - > preferably on CD and available for purchase in the UK. Can anyone help? > > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Owens James From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > hello > i was listening today to dream music 2 sampler. > now are there a few tracks which i can't compare to the ones on the > original albums. > as i don't have all these originals > > andre > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Slator [mailto:in6471@w...] > Hi, I've just uploaded a new website called 'Classic Rock > Central', designed at bringing rock fans of all tastes together > on one website.... and Tangerine Dream fans are more than > welcome. Okay, so they may not be guitar-brandishing warlords - > but I still class them as Krautrock. Hope to see you there! > > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: horrod6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: Mon Oct 18, 1999 6:34 pm Subject: Re: Alan's response to 'Miscellany' Alan, Ref your puzzlement aver my comment #4 - a tomboy is a girl who likes playing with the boys! 'nuff said. Marion From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 18, 1999 8:45 pm Subject: Re: Live albums In a message dated 18-10-1999 8:57:26 AM EST, james.e.owens@b... writes: << TD on the other hand has a plethora of raucous live performances that capture the live 'feeling', eliminate the excessive noise, and present all new, or at least significantly new music. Sometimes this is pure studio, as in the case of _Livemiles_ and Pergammon part 2, but they are done so well that, unless you were there, it's difficult, if not impossible to tell. (Man, that was a long sentence!) My compliments to Edgar and company for accomplishing this. James >> You must be speaking of the earlier live performances; up to and including 'Poland.' The current batch with the exception of the 'live' guitar riffs and the 'live' sax parts seem to be very much in the can -- virtually note for note. As someone in the 'other' list said some years ago, ' At the concert Edgar and Jerome showed up and played their Midi-files for us.' What is this 'Live Feel?' Don't get me wrong, I like the live albums, but the older ones, where they were obviously struggling, had so much more pizzazz. Phil N. From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... > > << TD on the other hand has a plethora of raucous live performances that > capture the live 'feeling', eliminate the excessive noise, and present > all > new, or at least significantly new music. Sometimes this is pure studio, > as > in the case of _Livemiles_ and Pergammon part 2, but they are done so > well > that, unless you were there, it's difficult, if not impossible to tell. > (Man, that was a long sentence!) My compliments to Edgar and company for > accomplishing this. >> > > You must be speaking of the earlier live performances; up to and > > including 'Poland.' The current batch with the exception of the 'live' > guitar riffs and the 'live' sax parts seem to be very much in the can -- > virtually note for note. From: 'Lawry Simm' Are we going to review the live (ricochet, Pergamon etc) and the solo > (wuivend riet, beyond the storm etc) albums on the weekly reviews? > gfj Live's yes, solo's no. The solo albums will be a separate discussion of it's own one we have completed the current round of TD discussions. Bear in mind that there is an enormous amount of solo work if you include Klaus Schulze and his 'editions'. Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Gustavo Jobim > Are we going to review the live (ricochet, Pergamon etc) and the >solo >> (wuivend riet, beyond the storm etc) albums on the weekly reviews? >> gfj > >Live's yes, solo's no. The solo albums will be a separate discussion >of it's own one we have completed the current round of TD discussions. >Bear in mind that there is an enormous amount of solo work if you >include Klaus Schulze and his 'editions'. Yes, that's what I had in mind; solos after the TD discussions. gfj . From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: JMJ Fanklubb Norge [mailto:glenn.folkvord.hjemme@k...] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:28 AM > To: Tadream (2) ML > Subject: [tadream] Legend OST > > > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > > Hey, > > I have the movie Legend (which is visually stunning, but > boooring), which I belive had a TD soundtrack. But my copy has a > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. What's up with that? > > Is there another movie (not starring Tom Cruise) called Legend? > > kind regards, > glenn > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed > from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: the tenth phaedra td entry was Re: Studio Week: 'Phaedra.' (BTW, Al wrote!): >> Here are my proud 'Phaedra' TD entries >> (with 'VITD' listings): >> (...) >> Gosh, I need a bloody TD 'Phaedra' tenth! ~ LOL ~ >>________________________________________>> > > Get a Brazilian Phaedra vinyl! I've got one! (and that's the > only Phaedra i've got :) > > gustavo jobim - rio de janeiro - brazil > > np the inner child (tubular bells 3) > > > gfj . **************************************** __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 4:22 am Subject: Re: Botielus (off topic) > http://www.teleport.com/~botielus/index.html/Botielus.html > > Can someone check this out and let me know what you think? >(who is this botielus? Are you Botielus, Michael?) When I was involved with DREAMS WORD magazine, I remember seeing this guy's ads in some older issues of the mag. He was from Portland, Oregon (where DW originated, not-so-coincidentally where I live). I never met him, don't know anything about him other than that. He definitely did seem to like posting his face prominently in the ads - my guess is the webpage is his, though I haven't checked it out. Phil D. From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 5:01 am Subject: D:Studio [Rubycon] Well, this one isn't so late. I've been looking forward to reviewing this, my favorite TD album (and my favorite album in general, by anyone). --- 1. Rubycon (part one) It starts with some wobbling chords, and some low bells. Something sounding a little like an oboe plays an exploratory little tune, as the intervals between the wobbles and bells shorten. A flutelike sound replaces the 'oboe,' and then, just before the two-minute mark, comes an amazing sound. A chorus sings a note, and then the most beautiful chord ever floats in on Mellotron strings, with what sound like simulated whales joining in. Glorious. It's joined by a restrained lead melody (I'm not sure what kind of instrument it comes from) and some electronic bleeping, and this theme lasts a few minutes. That vocal sound returns with some nice chords of its own. About six minutes in, it all goes quiet. A low synth drone appears, with some eerie sounds echoing above it. At 7:15, the best sequence ever gets going, deep and powerful. Stirring Mellotron strings accompany the sequence. I envision an alien landscape, icy and deep blue, lit only by... I don't know, actually. Something blue. My mental picture isn't detailed enough. (Perhaps the planet is near the Witch Head Nebula.) The bit that plays at about 10:30 (and repeats a couple of times later on) is really powerful. It's hard to describe, though. A buzzing sound grows louder and louder until it releases in a sound that I can't associate with anything that exists in reality. The intensity is growing, and the sequence is starting to warp. More Mellotron strings show up around 11:30. I really love those. The overall effect is very dramatic. Something vaguely drum-esque augments the rhythm. Eventually, the sequence suddenly slows. This amazing piece of music is starting to wind down. There's not too much to say about the ending; it's not too abrupt, but it's not the dramatic exit of 'Phaedra.' But the beginning and middle of the track more than make up for the nondescript ending, and on the whole, part one is my favorite of the two. Easily my favorite piece of music in the world. --- 2. Rubycon (part two) This one takes some time to get going. The beginning sounds a bit like a slowed-down siren. Some eerie Mellotron voices eventually replace the siren. There isn't a whole lot happening. I think what comes in next might be the instrument that reminded me of synth-horns in my 'Atem' review. Finally, at about 4:20, the sounds solidify into a tune. The sequencer plays one repeating note, which becomes two, then four, and suddenly we're right back into the sequence-and-Mellotron-strings action. I wasn't too fond of the way the track opened, but this stuff is great. The sequence continues to get more complex, and it shifts around rapidly, creating a sensation of exciting uncertainty (more like the sequences in 'Phaedra' than in part one of this album). The mental picture is still otherworldly and deep blue. I think I'd like to visit that world sometime--I'll be sure to bring a Discman and a copy of 'Ruby con.' At some point, the sequencer quiets down a bit and steps into the background as the Mellotron takes the (blue) spotlight. Soon after, all traces of melody disappear, replaced by some whooshing (there's that word again!) effects. They occasionally sound a bit like waves on a beach, but that doesn't fit with my mental picture, so I'll just imagine that it's wind blowing through the icy rocks, or something. As the other instruments return, another pseudo-flute meanders through. The music starts to return to formless ambience, and it becomes clear that the journey is, sadly, coming to a close. The final note belongs to the flute. --- In the end, the only thing I really don't like about 'Rubycon' is its length, a mere 35 minutes. But then, I can always listen to it twice. As I've said, this is my favorite album in the world, and I expect it to stay that way. --Quarlie :) NP: Mars Polaris (though I was listening to Rubycon when I wrote the review) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18476 D:Studio [Rubycon] horrod6@n... Tue 10/19/1999 4 KB 18486 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Nigbur D Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18487 D:Studio [Rubycon] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB 18488 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Mats Nordlinder Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18490 D:Studio [Rubycon] Poulton, Larry Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18498 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Bennett Cookson Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18502 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Steven Le Vine Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18505 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18506 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Marcel Engels Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB From: lefthandluke@xxxxxxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 5:48 am Subject: Tangents Box Set I have posted this question to the TDI guestbook about 6 months ago with no reply. I also just posted a few days ago.My question,which has probably been answered in some form or the other before.is in regard to the 2 sections of Rubycon that are supposedly different on this release(the decision) &(crossing part)..Was there ever a corrected CD issued that had different 'sections' instead of just the different names? How would I get a 'corrected' CD to replace the one I have? Thanks in advance for any info Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18472 Re: Tangents Box Set TOMX01@xxx.xxx Tue 10/19/1999 1 KB 21216 Tangents Box Set rbrown4856@a... Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB 21218 Re: Tangents Box Set Kees Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB 21222 Re: Tangents Box Set Gabe Yedid Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 8:56 am Subject: Classic Rock Site Sorry - forgot to put the URL in my message The URL is http://pages.zoom.co.uk/classicrock From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'Simon Slator' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Live albums In a message dated 18-10-1999 4:47:10 PM EST, james.e.owens@b... writes: << IMO the album should have ended after 'Purple Haze' >> I AGREE! But there are some fans who take issue with that stance, as I found out when I expressed that sentiment many moons ago. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Phil N. From: 'Jim Moore' From: 'Jim Moore' From: 'Craig Chambers' I also recently found an album which may be of interest to TD fans - it's called 'The New Age of Earth' by a 1-piece band called Ashra. Ahhh! You are now initiated in the church of Ashra...formerly of the Ash Ra Tempel. You now have a journey in front of you to explore the musical bounds of the man known by his earthly name Manuel, who will be your spiritual leader... No seriously, Ashra, ART, MG solo...these are IMO some of the best electronic/guitar (and I mean GUITAR) albums to come out of the Krautrock scene of the 70s. Check out the early Tempel stuff with Klaus Schulze on a hellish drumkit (you just thought CF could pound those skins!). Also the later stuff has its own groove going, especially the two recent live albums to come out. Oh and don't forget to try and find 'The Private Tapes', which is a 6 CD set of early, unreleased and live performances... From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: Klaus Beschorner From: TOMX01@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 3:57 pm Subject: Re: Tangents Box Set As far as I am aware all Tangents box sets contain this error. Tom ... From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' If you get the movie Legend, pay attention to the atmospheric quality of the >whole movie; that is, look for all the things in the AIR, it's amazing and >adds a lot of depth. The movie is visually stunning (as expected from Ridley Scott) but I find it very boring. I have the Jerry Goldsmith version. In fact, if anyone wants to buy or trade this movie, let me know. kind regards, glenn >As I understand it, Legend was done out of the USA originally (UK?). The >Goldsmith soundtrack was the original soundtrack for the movie, and in the >opinion of some was more 'fitting.' (Perhaps more in keeping with the >European forest-legend elf-goblin-fairy-unicorn-folklore?) When it was >decided to release the movie Legend into the US market, Tangerine Dream was >chosen to do a new soundtrack, which the powers that be thought would make >the movie more appealing in the US market, which was determined to be young >viewers. > >I have read some criticism on the appropriateness of the TD soundtrack. A TD >member was quoted as saying someting to the effect that TD just did their >own thing as they always do, regardless of whether it related to the movie. >Others criticize what they feel as inappropriate 'Asian' intruments used in >many parts (I have to agree with this observation). > >A www search will yield several pages for you to read all about Legend, the >movie, soundtrack, and what's behind it all. > >Even so, the Legend OST is a favorite of mine. > >I own the video, too. I was in Best Buy the other day, and BOTH of the Tom >Cruise / Tangerine Dream videos are available at the check out display for >$6.99 each. So I bought them. The other video of course is Risky Business. > >If you get the movie Legend, pay attention to the atmospheric quality of the >whole movie; that is, look for all the things in the AIR, it's amazing and >adds a lot of depth. I've seen the movie more times than I care to think >about. > >James E. Horecka, AIA > > From: 'Alan Benson' Alan, > > Ref your puzzlement aver my comment #4 - a > tomboy is a girl who likes playing with the boys! > 'nuff said. > > Marion ________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: horrod6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 8:11 pm Subject: Kosmische Musik Oh guys, what a hassle I've had getting through to you today! First of all Netscape communicator crashed, and left itself in some indeterminate state, unable to get through to the netscapeonline host. So I switched to IE. Tried to delete some mail, which didn't work and left the mailbox in a right state, so I can't open that mail client either. However, I could still get through to onelist using IE. But IE doesn't know my password. I couldn't use the 'forgot your password' facility, because it sends you a code in an e-mail! So I thought I'd re-register, using my other e-mail address - but of course, you hae to respond to an e-mail to complete registration! Finally, I thought to open up my mail file in a text editor, and found the original registration from onelist with my password in it - phew! Guess I'll be spending tomorrow re-installing IE AND Netscape! Thank Saint Edgar I've got some decent music to calm me down (Pergamon - bought it today after all the good things you've been saying about it.) Anyway, what I wanted to ask was: does anybody have an English translation of the sleeve notes to the Ohr Kosmische Musik sampler (OMM 2/56027)? If you haven't got it electronically, I'll happily pay copying and postage costs. I'm sure some of you 'completists' out there will have it. Please? I've posted my Rubycon review separately: I wrote it earlier before all the hassle. Dream on Marion From: horrod6@n... Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 8:17 pm Subject: D:Studio [Rubycon] This is less of a review, more of a little trip through my head (those of a nervous disposition should skip to the next post). Sorry I can't time index it, I don't have it on CD. Part 1 I'm standing on the shores of a midnight ocean. It's cold, dark, alien. There are bright white pinpoints of stars above, reflected in the water below. A surge of sound heralds the sunrise. The sun is huge, but gives no warmth. Birds cry coldly, greeting the dawn. It's becoming warmer. The sea is calm. Small waves ripple onto the shore. There's a gurgling sound from a small stream in the distance. A choir begins to sing. Gradually all other sight and sound fades away, and I have become the soaring voices. I take form again, travelling, unaware of my surroundings but knowing that I'm descending. A sustained organ-like note impels me to motion, and I'm running, tirelessly through a sunlit forest. Simultaneously, I'm aware of a smoothly working, well-oiled machine running outside of time and space. Am I dreaming of the machine, or am I the dream of a machine? I continue to run, powerful, catlike, effortless. Surges of light reveal long cathedral-like vistas between the trunks of trees. Now I'm out of the trees, still running, on short upland turf. The clarinet-like tone suggests a distant view of something indistinct among the trees below - maybe an overgrown temple, like Angkor Wat? There's a sourceless tapping. I'm running still, knowing that I'm near my goal, along a high ridge. I leap, a swandive into empty air. I soar, volitionless, neither falling nor flying, in the cool fresh air beside a mile high waterfall. Part 2 Soaring again, but now the updraft is hot, ominously so. From below I hear the night cry of a cat, and then the sound of birds - tormented doves? Now I hear voices - the cries of doomed souls, or an anthem for an alien god? Again, I am subsumed into the voices, and am nothing but sound. Now a remote consciousness, I enter a vast hall, heralded by sonorous tones. The hall is full of engines, working smoothly. There's an occasional blast of steam. The machines are all black iron and shining copper. Pistons pump, dripping oil. Now I'm tending one of the machines. My movements are smooth, dancing, ritualistic. I'm running again, along the shore line. The footing isn't sand, something firm but yielding. I splash through a shallow stream as it spreads across the shore. Dusk begins. I'm running more and more lightly, scarcely making contact with the ground. Finally I'm aloft, leaving the world behind. Bathed in the interstellar tides, I long for the shore I've left behind. I feel cold and alone. I view new stars and constellations, the birth of stars, the movements of the galactic clouds. Gradually the universe begins to feel warmer, and I know I belong there. (For Heaven's sake, don't show this to a psychiatrist!) This album is very precious to me. This is partly because of what was happening in my life when I really got into it. But it's also because the mental pictures it evokes are so powerful, I can get high as a kite on fresh air. If I could only listen to one album for the rest of my life, I think this might well be it. Dream on Marion NP: leftfield 'rhythm and stealth' (heresy!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18486 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Nigbur D Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18487 D:Studio [Rubycon] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB 18488 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Mats Nordlinder Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18490 D:Studio [Rubycon] Poulton, Larry Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18498 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Bennett Cookson Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18502 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Steven Le Vine Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18505 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18506 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Marcel Engels Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB 18511 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Vincent Goudreault Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB From: Owens James Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 8:35 pm Subject: RE: Legend OST You can find more detail about this at the Tadream FAQ: http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdfaq.htm James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > The European release had the Jerry Goldsmith score\...THe US release has > the > TD score.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > I have the movie Legend (which is visually stunning, but > > boooring), which I belive had a TD soundtrack. But my copy has a > > Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack. What's up with that? > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 9:08 pm Subject: Re: Rubycon, Epsilon and The New Age of Earth In a message dated 10/19/99 3:27:44 PM !!!First Boot!!!, craigchambers@c... writes: << >I also recently found an album which may be of interest to TD fans - it's called 'The New Age of Earth' by a 1-piece band called Ashra. No seriously, Ashra, ART, MG solo...these are IMO some of the best electronic/guitar (and I mean GUITAR) albums to come out of the Krautrock scene of the 70s. >> * I'll second that emotion. I love Ashra, have for years. If you like NAOE check out Blackouts (personal fav.) Inventions for electric guitar. (echoey ecstatic trance guitar) Dream and desire (smooth and flowing synths). I have all there albums, and must admit that some are spottier than others. but the four mentioned IMHO are classics. Poly From: 'Graham Coutts' Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 9:18 pm Subject: The Keep Hi everyone, I was searching for a better online supplier here in the UK and came across these guys.. http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=TANGERINE_DREAM a certain soundtrack is being offered with a release date of 12/31/99 so ever the optomist I've exercised my plastic! Worth a gamble for £12! Are there really plans to release it to more than a few hundred? Cheers Graham Coutts Graham_coutts@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18911 Re: The Keep Owens James Fri 11/5/1999 2 KB 18915 Re: The Keep Steven Feldman Sat 11/6/1999 1 KB 19137 Re: The Keep goozer@xxxxxxx.xxx Tue 11/16/1999 3 KB 19146 Re: The Keep Greg Tue 11/16/1999 1 KB 19148 Re: The Keep DJS Tue 11/16/1999 2 KB 20664 Re: The Keep twosheds Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB 23659 The Keep rbrown4856@a... Wed 8/16/2000 1 KB 23661 The Fantasy Merchants KEEP CD Steven Feldman Wed 8/16/2000 3 KB 23662 Re: The Keep Antonio Nunes Wed 8/16/2000 2 KB From: Owens James Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 9:18 pm Subject: RE: Re: Legend OST I admit I haven't heard the Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack, but I think the TD music has just the right ethereal, folklorish quality to it. The instrumentation gives it a 'magical' effect that just doesn't translate well from traditional instruments. I hadn't really noticed any 'asian' sounds specifically, just the usual TD sound processing. Some might interpret this as 'asian', but I tend to think of it as doing magic with sound. I also can't imagine watching the movie without the SPECTACULAR vocal 'Loved by the Sun' at the end. I think this is one of TD's finest pieces, even if they weren't happy with someone else adding lyrics to it. Jon Anderson has just the right vocal quality to really top off the excellent musical score. I think the Unicorn Theme in general has just the right blend of mystical and majestic elements that perfectly describe a Unicorn with music. James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'James Horecka, AIA' > > As I understand it, Legend was done out of the USA originally (UK?). The > Goldsmith soundtrack was the original soundtrack for the movie, and in the > opinion of some was more 'fitting.' (Perhaps more in keeping with the > European forest-legend elf-goblin-fairy-unicorn-folklore?) When it was > decided to release the movie Legend into the US market, Tangerine Dream > was > chosen to do a new soundtrack, which the powers that be thought would make > the movie more appealing in the US market, which was determined to be > young > viewers. > > I have read some criticism on the appropriateness of the TD soundtrack. A > TD > member was quoted as saying someting to the effect that TD just did their > own thing as they always do, regardless of whether it related to the > movie. > Others criticize what they feel as inappropriate 'Asian' intruments used > in > many parts (I have to agree with this observation). > From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 9:33 pm Subject: Re: Rubycon, Epsilon and The New Age of Earth > No seriously, Ashra, ART, MG solo...these are IMO some of the best > electronic/guitar (and I mean GUITAR) albums to come out of the Krautrock > scene of the 70s. >> > >* I'll second that emotion. I love Ashra, have for years. If you >like NAOE check out Blackouts (personal fav.) Inventions for >electric guitar. (echoey ecstatic trance guitar) Dream and desire >(smooth and flowing synths). I have all there albums, and must >admit that some are spottier than others. but the four mentioned >IMHO are classics. Don't forget the Klaus Schulze classic 'In Blue' with the 45-minute track 'Return of the Tempel'...this is a seq/synth orgy overlaid with some of Manuel Gottsching's most intense guitar work. A true return to 'classic' form for both artists! (Plus the other 100+ minutes of KS solo on this release ain't bad either). From: AslanFan1@a... Date: Tue Oct 19, 1999 9:46 pm Subject: TIME FOR HEROES CD This is my last notice for anyone interested in the RARE Tangerine Dream A TIME FOR HEROES lmtd edition collectors CD. I've put it up for auction over at Ebay and I've only had two bids. The reserve's been met, so it's there for whoever wants it. Just thought I'd mention it as I've heard a lot of folks are looking for it. Thanks for reading. As for the live albums, I guess I'd have to venture to say that I like TD's 'live' albums better than most of the studio ones. RICOCHET, ENCORE, LOGOS, POLAND, LIVEMILES and 220 VOLT are all excellent imho. I couldn't choose one of these. I wish TD had stuck to the formula of only releasing new material on the LIVE albums, Valentine Wheels and Tournado were pretty pointless to a fan that buys all the studio stuff. From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Wed Oct 20, 1999 4:34 am Subject: RE: Re: Legend OST I have the Jerry Goldsmith score (re-ssue w/bonus material) on CD if someone is really interested.. It even features a few vocals by Mia Sara! > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens James [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 4:18 PM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Legend OST > > > From: Owens James > > I admit I haven't heard the Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack, but I think the TD > music has just the right ethereal, folklorish quality to it. The > instrumentation gives it a 'magical' effect that just doesn't > translate well From: 'Simon Slator' From: Nigbur D ---------- > From: Owens James[SMTP:james.e.owens@b...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 19 October 1999 22:18 > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Legend OST > > From: Owens James [...] I think the Unicorn Theme in general has just the right blend of mystical and majestic elements that perfectly describe a Unicorn with music. > James > The unicorn theme being, unfortunately, the only piece from LEGEND that I know, I have to agree wholeheartedly. Being a self-confessed fantasy nerd as well as TD fan, I find this particular composition very inspiring. It helps me think of new storylines for stories, scenarios, and games. I really can't get enough of this style of TD music. Dennis From: Nigbur D From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 20, 1999 10:26 am Subject: D:Studio [Rubycon] This album is the perfection of what was hinted at in Phaedra. Not nearly as raw but IMHO even more evocative of deep space. Rubycon has THE BEST BASS SOUND EVER RECORDED. That is not my humble opinion, that is scientifically proven fact. .... They certainly achieved an excellence in their sound here. I think this album balances the earlier artistic tendencies with a superior level of recorded sound. I mean the production of this album takes a Quantum leap over the rather harsh sound of the albums we have discussed up to now. For example check out the wash of sound that appears at about :56 to 1:21. Side A. This to me sounds like piano drenched in reverb with perhaps some volume swells on the fader. Listen to how every element on this album comfortably fits with the sounds around it. Nothing jars the ears in a fingernail-on-chalkboard sort of way, and yet this is no yanni-melodic-noodling-happy-music, this is visionary and vital, not compromising their position in any way. Imagine the freedom they must have felt to go into a higher class studio with the backing of a relatively popular album behind them (I.E., label support) Now they could really fulfill their dreams. This music vibrates the excitement in a very tangible way. I get a contact high every time I listen to it! Some highlights for me : The haunting oboe melody at about 9:04 side A, 11:43 side A - now strangely enough TD has always had a very deep space feel to me in their sounds, but this one always reminded me of a typewriter....14:58 side A the Bass changes and fades among washes of prepared piano very psychedelic, and strange to think of, very acoustic...Side B intro, now this is fun to review this close to Halloween very ghostly, complete with mock theremin sounds. Nice how they did the panning, or moving the sounds around the stereo field. This gives way to a really rocking stonking bassline. I love how they revisited the Mellotron through a phaser effect that is a prominent part of Phaedra. 6:35 side B this is prime Chris Franke Bass sequence manipulation. He really shines here, remember, he was a drummer originally, so he really is responsible for the flesh and blood, or the earth of TD, this bass sound is pure rock and roll energy. Fantastic. I really don't think Chris gets the respect he deserves for making TD what it was. (Standing ovation from me.) In a perfect world this would have been a double album. One of the best Albums ever made. That simple. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18488 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Mats Nordlinder Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18490 D:Studio [Rubycon] Poulton, Larry Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18498 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Bennett Cookson Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18502 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Steven Le Vine Wed 10/20/1999 2 KB 18505 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 10/20/1999 1 KB 18506 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Marcel Engels Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB 18511 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Vincent Goudreault Wed 10/20/1999 3 KB 18514 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Victor Rek Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB 18525 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Steven Le Vine Thu 10/21/1999 3 KB From: Mats Nordlinder One of the best Albums ever made. That simple. > Poly .......no, not ONE of the best, it´s THE best......ever.......nuff said...... Mats, Stockholm, Sweden, Earth np : Coefficient of Aural Expansion part 2 (yeah!) From: craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 20, 1999 11:04 am Subject: Re: with a bit of Ashra towards the end. >From: 'Simon Slator' > >And thanks for all the info on Ashra - I'll keep a look out for some of their material. I'd just like to echo the other Craig's comments regarding Ashra's (and Ash ra Tempel's) works. For the uninitiated, Virgin's sampler Sunrain offers some choie moments from the three main 70s albums : New Age of Earth, Blackouts and Correlations. As for Gottsching solo, I think E2-E4 is an excellent album - full of seqnecers and excellent guitar work. I'd also recommend his 1976 collaboration with Michael Hoenig, released in the 1990s as Early Water. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: 'kayleigh' From: 'Rhen, Kris' Hey all. Wanted to pop a quick question to anyone who could > help out? i've > had some luck obtaining SOME of the TD stuff on Cd, but am > missing HUGE > quantities of stuff, and am having no luck whatsoever finding > it. Anyone > possibly could help? I live in Michigan, and I've gotten some (snip) From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'kayleigh' > > Hey all. Wanted to pop a quick question to anyone who could help out? i've > had some luck obtaining SOME of the TD stuff on Cd, but am missing HUGE > quantities of stuff, and am having no luck whatsoever finding it. Anyone > possibly could help? Have you tried used CD stores? I have gotten, well.... Most of my TD collection from them, including some rare & hard to get stuff. > Just curious if anyone has any luck with national chains in the US like Sam > Goody, Record Town Seen a couple of CD's months ago. Not much of a selection & ridiculously over priced. >or anything like Warehouse Records? I got Le Parc there when it was Blockbuster. They had a few. I would try them. Is there a Circuit City or a Best Buy near you? I know that myself & others have gotten some of the newer CD's from them & I have seen a lot of older ones at Circuit City. > I'm > having no luck, AND before going online to order (just have always been > leery) Dan, I know exactly how you feel. However, as many people on the list may say, it's the only way to go. I used to feel the same way about the internet. Then one day I ordered the B5 soundtrack (for Endgame I think). It was less money than at the store (including shipping) & have been doing it ever since. The only thing preventing me from completing my collection via on-line shopping is...... Money! LOL Good luck & Seek & you shall find. siberkat > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: Sean Montgomery From: 'kayleigh' > > Hey all. Wanted to pop a quick question to anyone who could help out? i've > had some luck obtaining SOME of the TD stuff on Cd, but am missing HUGE > quantities of stuff, and am having no luck whatsoever finding it. Because TD has *so* many albums, most stores (even the ones with a good selection) only carry a portion of it at any given time. So I totally recommend shopping on line. I do it all the time, and I've never had a problem. It's reasonably fast and cheap, and you can get just about every TD album that's still in print. The only drawback is that it's addictive, and you may end up spending too much money! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Gustavo Jobim > Hey all. Wanted to pop a quick question to anyone who could help out? i've >> had some luck obtaining SOME of the TD stuff on Cd, but am missing HUGE >> quantities of stuff, and am having no luck whatsoever finding it. > >Because TD has *so* many albums, most stores (even the ones with a >good selection) only carry a portion of it at any given time. So I >totally recommend shopping on line. I do it all the time, and I've never >had a problem. It's reasonably fast and cheap, and you can get just >about every TD album that's still in print. The only drawback is that >it's addictive, and you may end up spending too much money! gfj . From: James Joystick From: Bennett Cookson From: Synthhtnys@a... Rubycon has THE BEST BASS SOUND EVER RECORDED. That is not my humble opinion, that is scientifically proven fact. .... Can you explain this? Did someone do research? --Bennett From: 'Paul Fellows' De : Mats Nordlinder >À : 'tadream@o...' >Objet : [tadream] nice ! >Date : Mar 19 oct 1999 12:04 > >From: Mats Nordlinder > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html > >check it out ! > >Mats > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original >messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send >a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: Re: (x4!): 'Avebury Stone Circle & Rubycon!' Jonathan took the time to write: > No worries Alan, I'd assumed it was an honest mistake > so wasn't going to say anything. It really and truly was! Honest!! LOL > Actually your raising the serial has brought back some fond > memories for me - I was 12 in 1976 and can still remember > the series being transmitted. At the time I was heavily into > SF&F so was glued to the telly every time the series was on > and then spent all of the next day discussing it at school (well > it beats studying!). Then when my Dad who was watching the > series with me said we could actually go to Avebury as it wasn't > far - WOW! I've now realised that since then I've been steadily > gravitating towards Avebury, so much so that it's little more than > 30 minutes away now. Perhaps I'm being drawn there by some > New Age ley line channelling cosmic forces through my subconscious Hehehe... May the 'TD 'New Age' cosmic force' be with you! > > > ;-) > > Jon. > > Oh look - I didn't manage a review of Green Desert and I've > already missed the boat on Phaedra. Why aren't there more > hours in the day? Gustavo Jobim gave a good answer! I also posted late on 'Phaedra' too... ******************************************** __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: James Joystick > Jonathan said that he missed the chance to post a review on 'Phaedra'. > Well, I guess it's not too late yet. I managed to take some time to write > reviews for four incoming TD albums... nice work! > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Phil White' From: Joel Mullen From: 'Phil White' > I've just got hold of a CD by a Turkish guy, one Can Atilla with a album dedicated to the 30th aniversary of T.Dream ! > Music VERY much in the vein of Encore and IMO an excellent 77 minutes of music ( apart from one dreadful cut 'Bach's Air' ! ) > > Any opinions from other readers who have heard this release ? > I wonder if Edgar considers it a tribute or otherwise ? I have this release and I like it very much. Anyone interested in it should get a copy a.s.a.p.! There were only 500 pressed and unless sales pick up significantly there may not be a second pressing. Definately a worthwhile purchase in my opinion. I can post a brief review of it if anyone is interested. Regards, Joel From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 20, 1999 9:04 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] In a message dated 10/20/99 5:40:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, bennett.cookson@n... writes: << > From: Synthhtnys@a... Rubycon has THE BEST BASS SOUND EVER RECORDED. That is not my humble opinion, that is scientifically proven fact. .... Can you explain this? Did someone do research? >> *Uhhh yes... me. I proclaimed myself a scientist and then proclaimed Rubycon had the best Bass sound, Why, it's that simple folks... ;-) I've always thought that velvety smooth Bass sound was hallucinogenic by nature, why I'm listening to it now annnd annnd (all the pretty colors!) Poly From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > This album is the perfection of what was hinted at in Phaedra. > Not nearly as raw but IMHO even more evocative of deep space. > Rubycon has THE BEST BASS SOUND EVER RECORDED. That is not > my humble opinion, that is scientifically proven fact. .... > They certainly achieved an excellence in their sound here. > I think this album balances the earlier artistic tendencies with > a superior level of recorded sound. I mean the production of > this album takes a Quantum leap over the rather harsh sound > of the albums we have discussed up to now. You mean the quality of recording or the quality of the sounds/ambience? I agree with the latter...but I think the recording is one of their 'worst' (probably not the right word). But then again, maybe it's the 'bad' recording quality that we like so much. (okay of course its also the music!) Maybe we shouldn't be so obsessed these days by how the recording will sound like (quality-wise) but how the music will sound like. Hmm do I make any sense here? :-) Very short review from me: When I first heard it, and it was my first TD record, I didn't liked it at all. All these strange sounds and little melody...but I worked my way back from lets say Tiger and then loved it! It makes images of strange places, other worlds. But also of nightmares imo. This isn't your 100th average new age record, no this is full of power (maybe dark power?). In the first track I just love when there's just one continues note played and the sequencer comes in and the mellotron is played on top...now this is electronic music at its best. Just simple, but at the same time not? :-) I could go on, but its just a great record...just as every record they made till lets say 83. They are all winners in my book. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Phil White' > I've just got hold of a CD by a Turkish guy, one Can Atilla with a album dedicated to the 30th >aniversary of T.Dream ! > Music VERY much in the vein of Encore and IMO an excellent 77 minutes of music. Not really. It's more a medley out of tunes/riffs from TD ca. 75-85. >> Any opinions from other readers who have heard this release ? Not only the same instruments/sound patches are used he shamelessly copied full fragments of original TD tracks. There are quite a few chord progressions, 100% identical to the original. It sounds so shamelessly copied that it is really good again, IMO. :-) (I know Marcel will have to agree here). When I've got an early mix from the first track without knowing who actually did it, I've asked on several mailing lists for help including the now defunkt tadream list at cs.uwp.edu until a friend of Rob Essers (the producer of the CD) correctly identified it. As you can see I really liked it then and still think it is a good album. > I wonder if Edgar considers it a tribute or otherwise ? Not as tribute - Edgar surely misses the tangentizing (*) bits on it. ;-) On a sidenote - there seemed to be another TD tribute done by Can Attila available and released by Midas music once. This one obviously is a hommage to TD of the 90s. Not really liking most of what TD did in the 90s I've never got to listen to it, though. Hope this helps Jens (*) that's adding layers of pads and stuff to music some years after it is originally recorded - sometimes to good effort (Phaedra on 'Tangents'), sometimes to not so good effort - at least in the opinion of many. np: TD - Rubycon - searching for those good bass bits Paul Ellis and others were raving about. ;-) I for one rate it lower as Phaedra, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Encore. Still good stuff. :-) From: 'Marcel Engels' From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Not only the same instruments/sound patches are used he shamelessly > copied full fragments of original TD tracks. There are quite a few chord > progressions, > 100% identical to the original. It sounds so shamelessly copied that it is > really good again, IMO. > :-) > (I know Marcel will have to agree here). :-) Exactly... Damn, now I know what I've forgotten to buy on E-Live...it was Can Atilla. Still haven't got the album, I'm curious. > On a sidenote - there seemed to be another TD tribute done by Can Attila > available and released by Midas music once. This one obviously > is a hommage to TD of the 90s. Not really liking most of what TD > did in the > 90s > I've never got to listen to it, though. Is that true? I wonder what style he has of his own, what he likes to play then. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Owens James From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Marcel Engels' [Can Attila 90s TD tribute] > Is that true? Well, I think Mr. Bloyce told me. I can be totally wrong, of course. ;-) > I wonder what style he has of his own, what he likes to play then. Good question, would be interesting to listen to his other stuff - he's got obviously a lot of musical/technical talent - at least he's a brilliant arranger. TD - bit. I found an interview with Peter Baumann in the last KLEM magazine, he seemed to be featured in that Electrobeat radio programme in Berlin but I never noticed anything about that interview on the tadream lists. Unfortunately KLEM is in Dutch, a scan won't serve many. Best Regards Jens From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:57:48 -0400 > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > Subject: Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] > > Hey Gang! > > Rubycon. > > 1. Rubycon- 17:17 > 2. RubyconPart 2- 17:34 > > TBH, I have only added this CD to my collection recently (within > a couple of months :). > > Though I have heard it a bunch of times, do not think I really > listened to it until just now. > > I am sorry, Rubycon part 1 does not do much for me. I had to (...) > > I just think this CD is not the best is all. On the Armin scale: > 2. > > TBH, I am only slightly more fond of the versions on Tangerine > Ambience 2 as well as the version of Phaedra. > > Alas, I do not have Ricochet. > > siberkat Steven, Here is the recipe: You gave 'Rubycon' a couple of listen. That was phase 1. Now put the record aside. Do not think about it; just go about your life. Forget about it. In a few weeks, perhaps months, you'll have this after effect, a strange sensation of soundscapes, and you'll feel empty for not being able to identify them. You'll wake up at night, just out of a dream, thinking that you just were about to recapture the essence. You'll go nuts. That's phase 2. Don't fight the madness, but resit until phase 3 before getting the record in the sound system. Then (that's phase 3) put the CD on, and do not really listen to it, use it like background music for something else you're doing -- but something that is quiet, like reading. Notice how you mind keeps wandering from what you're doing? That's Rubycon getting under your skin, boring right through your brain, establishing itself. Now you're hooked. Hear those sequencers beating, giving texture to a strange melody, one that remains the same but keeps changing ever so slightly every second. Feel how you miss the last second but can't wait for the next, walking through a path that is so familiar yet ever different. Then (phase 4), write back to us telling us you've seen the light, concluding that you could not live without Rubycon, that is desserves to be OUT of the Armin scale; that it simply IS. Next, repeat this whole process with Ricochet. That's the experiecne I went through. I cannot claim that it went like that for everybody. It's been over 20 years already, Rubycon and Ricochet are not albums I am likely to get over anytime soon. N.P.: Rubycon C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: 'Jim Moore' > > I can never get this straight in my mind: on the Berlin Concert there are > three > distinct movements. The third is a remix of 'Dolphin Dance', and the > other > two are named 'Sunnyvale' and 'Caspian Sea' but which one is which? > From: 'twosheds' From: Victor Rek One of the best Albums ever made. That simple. > Poly Thanks for the wonderful review - I agree too! From: 'tom george' >> From: 'kayleigh' >> >> Hey all. Wanted to pop a quick question to anyone who could help out? i've >> had some luck obtaining SOME of the TD stuff on Cd, but am missing HUGE >> quantities of stuff, and am having no luck whatsoever finding it. Anyone >> possibly could help? kayleigh, if you have a Border's Books and Music you should try them. although they are at the higher end of the price scale they have the largest selection of TD items I have seen. the one in my area has at least 30 different slections right up to the new one 'Archetecture in Motion' on Miramar. good luck. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Nick.Adams@p... Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 12:38 am Subject: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) >From: 'Steven Le Vine' >I am used to long songs mind you (Gates of Delirium is one of my >favorite songs, I mean is there a longer studio rock song than >21:55?). How about , (just off the top of my head) Todd Rundgrens Utopia this is a 30 odd min masterpiece............ 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If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)2476 425474 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18519 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) upnsm0ke Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB 18523 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) TOMX01@a... Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB 18532 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Rainer Rutka Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB 18533 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Heiko Heerßen Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB 18535 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Martin Kay Thu 10/21/1999 2 KB 18544 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Michael A. Jean Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18549 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Victor Rek Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB 18573 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Gustavo Jobim Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB 18574 Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Gustavo Jobim Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 1:16 am Subject: Architecture in Motion >....the one in my area has at least 30 different slections right up to > the new one 'Archetecture in Motion' on Miramar. So I take it that Architecture in Motion was indeed released in America last week? I have yet to see it turn up here in Toronto (although when I think back to previous Miramar releases, this should not have been surprising). SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18522 Re: Architecture in Motion tom george Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB 18534 Re: Architecture in Motion EMC Holland Thu 10/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 1:19 am Subject: Re: Availability of TD CDs locally Gustavo is right, everytime I visit Rio I visit the Modern Sound shop, which is only about 3 blocks from the beach at Copacabana. This shop has it all, though somewhat pricey... Gustavo, you may want to look on the wall where they have alot of Box sets also, because when I was there last they had copies of 5CD box 'Tangents' which if I recall, is now out of print and becoming increasingly harder to find. Happy hunting. Craig >From: Gustavo Jobim > >GustavoJobim np Rubycon and thinking about writing something about it. > >Well,well,well. I am proud to say that there's one store down here in Rio >de Janeiro, Brazil, called Modern Sound - http://www.modernsound.com.br - >that has >virtually all TD CDs. yes. I could count around 50 CDs there, from EM, AC, >Zeit and Atem to Tyranny, GC, Mars Polaris, the TDI compilations and >everything, even the two different versions of G.Desert, with the two >different covers. >It's probably the best CD store in Rio, and it's HUGE - I mean, the store >is physically very big, really. I'm sorry but I think MS doesn't sell >online, but >there are lots of sites to find TD. I can't say that JMJ is so easy to >find. There are not so many JMJ records in M.Sound. But JMJ is usually >easier to find >in regular stores than TD. In fact, you could say that TD is impossible to >find outside Modern Sound and other smaller specialized [does this word >exist?] stores. You know, those stores where you find many >KS-JMJ-MO-TD-KW-whoever not 'pop' records. > >gfj still playing Rubycon 1. This is a very interesting record. > >>> Hey all. Wanted to pop a quick question to anyone who could help out? i've >>> had some luck obtaining SOME of the TD stuff on Cd, but am missing HUGE >>> quantities of stuff, and am having no luck whatsoever finding it. >> >>Because TD has *so* many albums, most stores (even the ones with a >>good selection) only carry a portion of it at any given time. So I >>totally recommend shopping on line. I do it all the time, and I've never >>had a problem. It's reasonably fast and cheap, and you can get just >>about every TD album that's still in print. The only drawback is that >>it's addictive, and you may end up spending too much money! > > gfj . > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'upnsm0ke' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:00 am Subject: Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) > From: Nick.Adams@p... > > >From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > >I am used to long songs mind you (Gates of Delirium is one of my > >favorite songs, I mean is there a longer studio rock song than > >21:55?). > > How about , (just off the top of my head) Todd Rundgrens Utopia this is a 30 >odd min masterpiece............ UK proggers Legend's title track to their _Triple Aspect_ CD runs 29:29. The upcoming Neal Morse/Mike Portnoy/Pete Trewavas/Roine Stolt project apparently features a 30-minute track, as well. E-Man From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:38 am Subject: RE: Can Atilla comments please..... On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Marcel Engels wrote: > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Is that true? > I wonder what style he has of his own, what he likes to play then. What if he's just another Ed Starink? ;) > Marcel Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:48 am Subject: RE: LIVEMILES Question On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Owens James wrote: > From: Owens James > > Who gave them these names? TD, at least, gave 'Caspian Sea' its name. It appears right at the beginning of the (incomplete) playlist of the Berlin '87 show. So, 'Caspian Sea' is the first 'movement' of Livemiles pt. 2. Gabe From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:48 am Subject: Re: Architecture in Motion yes Shawn, it is in all the stores i have visited. it is a good release too. : >From: Sean Montgomery > >So I take it that Architecture in Motion was indeed released in America >last week? I have yet to see it turn up here in Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: TOMX01@a... Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:48 am Subject: Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Longest studio rock track? How about Mike Oldfields Amarok, 60.02 Tom NP: Quinoa (Extended) From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:55 am Subject: Re: Availability of TD CDs locally sorry about this post list. it would help if i would read the entire letter before responding. after posting this i got down to the whole Kayleigh post and saw where he/she mentions Borders in the first sentence. oh well this is my first day back on this list and the first day with this new angelfire address. i am still on the other TD onelist under my other name eloyusa30@h... i just had to spread the mail out. it was getting to thick for one mailbox. NP-Johannes Schmoelling-'White Out' > >kayleigh, > if you have a Border's Books and Music you Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 4:09 am Subject: Re: Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Dear Vincent, Thank you for your sincere response to my 'Ruby Bashing' :) -- > From: Vincent Goudreault > > tadream@o... wrote: >> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:57:48 -0400 >> From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> Subject: Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] >> Rubycon. >> >> TBH, I have only added this CD to my collection recently (within >> a couple of months :). >> >> Though I have heard it a bunch of times, do not think I really >> listened to it until just now. >> >> I am sorry, Rubycon part 1 does not do much for me. I had to > > (...) > >> >> I just think this CD is not the best is all. On the Armin scale: >> 2. > > Steven, > > > Here is the recipe: > > You gave 'Rubycon' a couple of listen. That was phase 1. > Now put the record aside. Do not think about it; just go > about your life. Forget about it. > > In a few weeks, perhaps months, you'll have this after effect, > a strange sensation of soundscapes, and you'll feel empty for > not being able to identify them. You'll wake up at night, > just out of a dream, thinking that you just were about to > recapture the essence. You'll go nuts. That's phase 2. > Don't fight the madness, but resit until phase 3 before getting > the record in the sound system. This actually happened with Force Majeure, Le Parc, Live Miles, Tyger, Dead Solid Perfect, Catch Me If You Can, Poland (get the idea?). I have always wanted to bring this point up anyway. Why is it that most of seem to agree that we need to go through exactly what Vincent recommends for some TD CDs? I do not remember how many times I have read posts saying 'it took me a long time to get into this CD'. > > Then (that's phase 3) Notice how > you mind keeps wandering from what you're doing? That's > Rubycon getting under your skin, boring right through your brain, > establishing itself. That is what happened with Part 2. It made a definite impression, just not a positive one. > Feel how you > miss the last second but can't wait for the next, walking through > a path that is so familiar yet ever different. > > Then (phase 4), write back to us telling us you've seen the light, I will of course follow your advice sir. The thing is, there are certain TD CDs that I have LOVED on the 1st listen & some take months even years. Others (wait till we get to them & all you guys & gal will think I am nuts :p ), I just do not like, no matter how many chances I have given them. Sooo.... > > Next, repeat this whole process with Ricochet. > > > That's the experiecne I went through. Actually, of the music I am missing (Ricochet, Cyclone & a couple of soundtracks), I am 'dreaming' of appreciating these CDs immediately. Read ya'all later, siberkat From: Mats Nordlinder Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 6:18 am Subject: Re: Re : nice ! Hi Paul ! I found it at : http://www.dtv.dk/privat/pr/music.htm Mats Paul Fellows wrote: > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Mats > > Thank you for your appreciative comment! > > I'm interested to know: how did you discover the site? > > Paul Fellows > ---------- > > >From: Mats Nordlinder > > > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html > > > >check it out ! > > > >Mats From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 7:42 am Subject: Prose and (Ruby) cons. In a message dated 10/20/99 9:12:18 PM !!!First Boot!!!, fsp@w... writes: << You mean the quality of recording or the quality of the sounds/ambience? I agree with the latter...but I think the recording is one of their 'worst' (probably not the right word). * Really? I think their albums up to this point had a harsh edge (EQ, or lack thereof) I also think the sounds fit together in a more 'thought out' or composed way. Also Rubycon to my ears sounds good on every system I've heard it on, from el cheapo car stereo to high level tube amps. That's my criteria for a good recording. What exactly don't you like about it? But then again, maybe it's the 'bad' recording quality that we like so much. (okay of course its also the music!) * Part of what we tend to like about analog (Vs. digital) recordings is a distortion in the even harmonics. It's a distortion, but is pleasing to our ears. ( I know not everybody sees it that way, but generally people think of analog as 'warm' and digital as 'sterile', or 'clinical') Maybe we shouldn't be so obsessed these days by how the recording will sound like (quality-wise) but how the music will sound like. Hmm do I make any sense here? :-) * Of course. I feel strongly that the music is always more important than the medium. (As in I'd rather hear a scratchy old vinyl recording of Django Rhienhardt than a CD of the Spice girls) However, I think it obvious that when you can have both great music and superior recording techniques That will produce the best results. *Poly From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 7:58 am Subject: Bass is the place In a message dated 10/20/99 9:24:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jpeschke@h... writes: << np: TD - Rubycon - searching for those good bass bits Paul Ellis and others were raving about. ;-) >> * WHAAAAA???? That silky smooth Bass? You can't hear it? Why, God herself can't get the Moog to sound that good!! ;-) Poly From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 8:25 am Subject: Ash Ra Tempel I've just looked at Tower Records' UK Website for Ashra / Ash Ra Tempel CDs and, apparently, 95% of them are still available. Can anyone recommend any good albums from both groups (preferably one with Schulze pounding the skins) and does anyone know where I can find some of their sound samples? Thanks Simon. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18530 Re: Ash Ra Tempel Heiko Heerßen Thu 10/21/1999 2 KB 18546 Re: Ash Ra Tempel Christopher Robbin Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB 18547 Re: Ash Ra Tempel craig.cordrey@g... Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18581 Re: Ash Ra Tempel Christopher Robbin Sat 10/23/1999 2 KB 21770 Re: Ash Ra Tempel Chris Richards Sat 4/8/2000 3 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 8:57 am Subject: Re: Ash Ra Tempel Simon Slator wrote: > I've just looked at Tower Records' UK Website for Ashra / Ash Ra Tempel CDs and, apparently, 95% of them are still available. Can anyone recommend any good albums from both groups (preferably one with Schulze pounding the skins) and does anyone know where I can find some of their sound samples? I can recommend Ash Ra Tempels' first 3 albums (Ash Ra Tempel, Schwingungen, Join Inn). The first song from the debut album (Amboss) really blows me away. What guitars! What drums! A 20-minute freakout orgy. Closely followed by the out-of-this-world beauty of 'Jenseits', the B-side of the 'Join Inn' album. This track is on par with the best Klaus Schulze albums from that era (Irrlicht & Cyborg). Recorded the same month like TD's 'Atem', this one is one of the best albums ever to come out of Germany (IMHO, of course). The Ashra albums I like best are 'New age of earth', 'Blackouts' and 'Belle Alliance'. I really like the almost 'un-german' laid back and easiness one can hear throughout the tracks. Perfect music for your car hi-fi! But be aware of the fact that both groups do sound very different from each other. Ash Ra Tempel was more a sort of 'Cosmic space rock' group whereas Ashra was more into electronic music. Heiko P.S.: I wanted to give a review of Rubycon...but everything's already been said about that great album. I remember buying it as a 14-year old back in 1983. Those early TD albums really changed my musical tastes for the better. Next week's topic is 'Richochet'...ahh, sweet memories of youth ;-) From: nicola@a... Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 9:05 am Subject: Les Folies Art Hi evreybody, only 2 rows to tell that Les Folies Art in Italy has closed definitevely. So Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty and Tyrany of Beauty Interactive CD are now rarities. Some copies are again available to me. Please contact me at my privat email. From: Rainer Rutka From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Longest 'song' : Thursday Afternoon by Brian Eno. > Approx. 60 minutes (if I remember well) > > Rainer Hallo Rainer! What about several Klaus Schulze songs? Many of them almost 78 minutes long! You should know this since you have every note KS ever played ;-) Heiko From: EMC Holland From: 'tom george' > > yes Shawn, > it is in all the stores i have visited. it is a good release too. > It's now also available in Europe. We have copies in stock. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Martin Kay From: 'upnsm0ke' > >> From: Nick.Adams@p... >> >> >From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> >> >I am used to long songs mind you (Gates of Delirium is one of my >> >favorite songs, I mean is there a longer studio rock song than >> >21:55?). >> >> How about , (just off the top of my head) Todd Rundgrens Utopia this is a >30 >odd min masterpiece............ > >UK proggers Legend's title track to their _Triple Aspect_ CD runs 29:29. The >upcoming Neal Morse/Mike Portnoy/Pete Trewavas/Roine Stolt project >apparently features a 30-minute track, as well. > >E-Man Hi people, try: Edge of Sanity- 'Crimson' (48 min.) Oldfield- Amarok (40+ min.) Fields of the Nephilim- For Her Light (35 min.) ;-) All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Simon Slator' From: 'kayleigh' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:35 pm Subject: Thanks for the info/advice Hey there all. Wanted to pop a quick THANKS for all the helpful advice. Quick note. There isn't a Blockbuster Music here that sells that large of a quantity, BUT there is a Borders Books within a 30 mile radius. Wasn't too concerned with the price, more than finding the Cds themselves (GRIN)< but knowing that Borders is good, how about Media Play? There is one about 90 miles from my house (I visit friends out that way every month, BUT Media Play is about 15 miles out of the way), worth the trip? I've heard good and bad about it. Am also (thanks again for the info from Pittsburgh) going to CD Now and attempting to do online ordering. You are correct, there is a larger percentage of theft in a Cd shop or a retail store than online as there are more limited amounts of people online that handle your information (or so I'm told), so thanks for the help. I'll let ya know what I find. dan P.S. AND just curious again about the trading of live shows? Anyone interested, please e-mail me. I KNOW you can't buy that stuff in the stores :) dan Kayleigh's Playhouse http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Great White/Poison/John Mellencamp Online Mailing Lists ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 or kayleighsdad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18538 Re: Thanks for the info/advice Jim Moore Thu 10/21/1999 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Thanks for the info/advice > Hey there all. Wanted to pop a quick THANKS for all the helpful advice. > Quick note. There isn't a Blockbuster Music here that sells that large of a > quantity, BUT there is a Borders Books within a 30 mile radius. Wasn't too > concerned with the price, more than finding the Cds themselves (GRIN)< but > knowing that Borders is good, how about Media Play? There is one about 90 > miles from my house (I visit friends out that way every month, BUT Media > Play is about 15 miles out of the way), worth the trip? I've heard good and > bad about it. Media Play has been a good option around Atlanta. They've generally been cheaper than Tower or Borders, but *most* of the time, they have a good selection of TD, especially when something's just been released. However, I've noticed their not very good about refreshing back-catalogues of E-music after it's been out for a while. Every so often you'll find a gem there... - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 'If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes...' - Roy, BLADERUNNER jimbo@v... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: Owens James Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 3:43 pm Subject: Where to buy TD on the net (was: Availability of TD CD's) This is a list I posted quite some time ago. I haven't updated it in about 6 months, so I can't guarantee price or availability anymore, but at one time these were the best prices I could find on the net for practically every TD and TD related (solo) release. I've tacked on a Vangelis list as well for anyone that's interested. All prices are for CD. The list is formatted for a mono-space font. James 220 VOLT LIVE $10.50 www.absound.ca ALPHA CENTAURI (rm) $ 9.29 www.amazon.com AMBIENT MONKEYS $17.72 www.cduniverse.com ATEM (rm) $ 9.90 gemm.com ATLANTIC BRIDGES $12.79 www.cdpoint.com ATLANTIC WALLS $12.79 www.cdpoint.com CANYON DREAMS $10.79 www.cdpoint.com CATCH ME IF YOU CAN $27.90 gemm.com CYCLONE (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca DEAD SOLID PERFECT $16.97 www.ab-cd.com DEADLY CARE $20.76 www.cdzone.co.uk DESTINATION BERLIN $12.99 www.amazon.com DREAM ENCORES $17.72 www.cduniverse.com DREAM MIXES, THE (1 cd) $11.98 wpmusic.com DREAM MIXES, THE (TDI 2 cd) $17.72 www.cduniverse.com DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION $33.21 www.absound.ca ELECTRONIC MEDITATION (rm) $ 9.29 www.amazon.com ENCORE (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca EXIT (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca FIRESTARTER $ 9.00 gemm.com FLASHPOINT $ 8.04 www.abbyroad.com FORCE MAJEURE (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca GOBLIN'S CLUB $ 9.48 www.absound.ca GOBLIN'S CLUB +1(ltd ed) $21.91 wpmusic.com GREEN DESERT $ 9.90 gemm.com HEARTBREAKERS $11.18 www.absound.ca HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOL 1 $17.72 www.cduniverse.com HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOL 2 $17.72 www.cduniverse.com HYPERBOREA (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca LE PARC (rm) $ 8.99 www.amazon.com LEGEND $12.73 209.81.251.5/musicspree/ LILY ON THE BEACH $ 8.98 wpmusic.com LIVEMILES $ 9.29 www.amazon.com LOGOS (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca MELROSE $11.18 www.absound.ca MIRACLE MILE $11.18 www.absound.ca NEAR DARK $ 9.24 www.cdcellar.com OASIS $11.64 www.cduniverse.com OASIS (TDI w/extra track) $19.99 rpmrecords.com OPTICAL RACE $11.98 wpmusic.com PARK IS MINE $13.22 www.cdcellar.com PERGAMMON $ 8.81 www.absound.ca PHAEDRA (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca POLAND (rm) $ 9.29 www.amazon.com QUINOA EXTENDED $17.72 www.cduniverse.com RICOCHET (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca ROCKOON $10.16 www.absound.ca RUBYCON (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca SORCEROR $ 8.04 www.abbyroad.com STRATOSFEAR (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca TANGENTS $46.78 www.abbyroad.com TANGRAM (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca THIEF $12.99 www.amazon.com THREE O'CLOCK HIGH $12.73 209.81.251.5/musicspree/ TIMESQUARE $14.99 www.amazon.com TIMESQUARE (TDI) $12.79 www.cdpoint.com TOURNADO $11.99 www.amazon.com TOURNADO (TDI) $17.72 www.cduniverse.com TRANSSIBERIA $17.72 www.cduniverse.com TURN OF THE TIDES $ 6.00 gemm.com TYGER (rm 1996 sequel records) $ 8.99 www.amazon.com TYGER (relativity) (remix) $ 7.00 gemm.com TYRANNY OF BEAUTY $11.98 wpmusic.com UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT $ 9.99 www.amazon.com VALENTINE WHEELS $12.79 www.cdpoint.com WAVELENGTH $12.73 209.81.251.5/musicspree/ WHITE EAGLE (rm) $ 7.79 www.absound.ca ZEIT $10.50 www.amazon.com ZONING $15.74 www.wmimusic.com SINGLES: DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE (7') $ 4.93 gemm.com DR. DESTRUCTO (12') $ 6.00 gemm.com DREAMTIME $57.97 gemm.com LIMITED WORLD TOUR EDITION 1997 $10.99 rpmrecords.com SHEPARD'S BUSH $15.99 gemm.com TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR $ 7.99 www.amazon.com _____________________ CHRIS FRANKE: Babylon 5 Vol 1 $13.99 www.sonicimages.com Babylon 5 Vol 2 $13.99 www.sonicimages.com Episodics 'Severed Dreams' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Avalon' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Walkabout' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Shadow Dancing' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Z'Ha'Dum' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Fall of Night' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Interludes & Exa...' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Into the Fire' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'No Surrender, No...' $11.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'Face of the Enemy' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Episodics 'The Ragged Edge' $ 9.99 commerce.bestbuy.com Enchanting Nature $10.16 www.absound.ca Klemania $10.16 www.absound.ca The London Concert $10.16 www.absound.ca The Celestine Prophecy $10.84 www.absound.ca New Music For Films Vol1 $10.79 www.cdpoint.com Night of the Running Man $13.99 www.sonicimages.com Outer Limits $11.98 wpmusic.com Pacific Blue $13.99 www.sonicimages.com Pacific Coast Highway $ 8.81 www.absound.ca Perry Rhodan $13.99 www.sonicimages.com Raven $11.98 wpmusic.com Tenchi Muyo $13.99 www.sonicimages.com Transformation Of Mind $11.98 wpmusic.com Universal Soldier $11.99 www.supercollector.com ___________________________________________________________________ EDGAR FROESE: AGES $17.98 www.backroadsmusic.com AQUA $ 8.13 www.absound.ca BEYOND THE STORM $12.19 www.absound.ca *EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE $11.99 www.cdpoint.com KAMIKAZE $10.97 www.ab-cd.com MACULA TRANSFER (rm) $23.97 www.ab-cd.com PINNACLES $10.50 www.absound.ca STUNTMAN $ 8.13 www.absound.ca _____________________________________________________________________ JOHANNES SCHMOELLING: WUIVEND RIET $16.98 www.backroadsmusic.com SONGS NO WORDS $16.98 www.backroadsmusic.com ZOO OF TRANQUILITY (1998) $17.96 www.wmimusic.com _____________________________________________________________________ PAUL HASLINGER: FUTURE PRIMITIVE $24.35 www.wmimusic.com FUTURE PRIMITIVE (used) $11.55 www.neuharm.demon.co.uk PLANETARY TRAVELER (W/CD-ROM) $17.98 www.thirdplanet-inc.com SCORE $12.28 gemm.com WORLD WITHOUT RULES $10.25 www.shopping.com (LIGHTWAVE): MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS $10.50 www.absound.ca NACHTMUSIK (w/o PH) $17.96 www.wmimusic.com TYCHO BRAHE $10.50 www.absound.ca URANOGRAPHY (w/o PH) $22.07 www.wmimusic.com (COMA VIRUS): HIDDEN $19.96 www.wmimusic.com ______________________________________________________________________ STEVE JOLIFFE: ALIEN $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... ART OF MINIMALISM, THE $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... BEYOND THE DREAM $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... ESCAPE $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... ETHEREAL $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... JAPANESE WAY $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... JOURNEYS OUT OF THE BODY $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... NEW AGE EMOTIONS $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... OMNI $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... TEMMENU $28.98 www.soundcity2000.com WARRIOR $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... ZANZI $15.00 DAVKAUFMAN@a... ______________________________________________________________________ VANGELIS: ALBEDO 0.39 $ 7.79 www.absound.ca ANTARCTICA $ 7.79 www.absound.ca BEAUBOURG $ 7.79 www.absound.ca BLADE RUNNER $ 9.63 www.duffelbag.com CHINA $ 5.08 www.absound.ca CITY $10.50 www.absound.ca DIRECT $ 8.47 www.absound.ca EARTH $16.00 www.jersey.net/~lasercd GIFT $ 9.50 www.allstars.nl HEAVEN & HELL $ 7.79 www.absound.ca IGNACIO $ 8.81 www.absound.ca INVISIBLE CONNECTIONS $11.18 www.absound.ca L'APOCALYPSE DES ANIMAUX $ 5.08 www.absound.ca MASK $ 5.08 www.absound.ca OCEANIC $10.50 www.absound.ca OPERA SAUVAGE $ 9.11 gemm.com PORTRAITS-SO LONG AGO, SO CLEAR $10.50 www.absound.ca SOIL FESTIVITIES $ 5.08 www.absound.ca SPIRAL $ 4.74 www.absound.ca THEMES $ 6.09 www.absound.ca VOICES $10.50 www.absound.ca (SOCRATES): PHOS $17.00 www.jersey.net/~lasercd From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 4:40 pm Subject: RE: Can Atilla comments please..... > From: Gabe Yedid > > What if he's just another Ed Starink? > ;) :-) Well, it's not note for note copied so maybe it's a brother of Ed? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Thu Oct 21, 1999 6:27 pm Subject: D:Studio [Rubycon] Another album that I haven't heard in a long time. I'm actually quite looking forward to this after the surprise that I actually quite liked Phaedra. Rubycon (1975) 1. Rubycon Part One (Edgar Froese - mellotron, guitar, vcs3 synthi: Chris Franke - double moog synthesizer, synthi A, organ, modified elka organ, prepared piano: Peter Baumann - organ, synthi A, e-piano, prepared piano) 2. Rubycon Part Two (Chris Franke - double moog synthesizer, gong, synthi A, organ: Edgar Froese - organ, mellotron, guitar, gong, vcs3 synthi: Peter Baumann - e-piano, organ, synthi A, voice, arp 2600) This is first time I've been a bit late posting my own thoughts on an album, and as such have had the benefit of reading everyone else's comments. They surprised me really, as most of you heralded this album as the TD holy grail. I don't think it's all that good. (Asbestos suit on! :-p ) Sure, there are some really excellent segments on this album (such as the segment from 7:10 to 15:10 on track 1 which absolutely rocks - admittedly almost half of the track! - and the segment from 9:00 to 11:40 on track 2 - can anyone tell my favourite bits are the sequences? :-) ) Many people say that the first Redshift album is a complete rip of this album, but in truth I prefer Redshift to this. It is not IMO as so many of you describe, TD's finest hour (or perhaps that should be TD's finest slightly more than half an hour), but I will admit that it does have some of their finest moments encapsulated within. As to the cover, don't you just love those droplet photo's? And the colour is gorgeous. Probably one of my favourite TD covers (though a lot is lost on the transition from gatefold album to SBM CD cover....). Simple yet very effective. Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18543 D:Studio [Rubycon] PhilPDX@a... Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18552 D:Studio [Rubycon] Steve Whiteley Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18561 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Bennett Cookson Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18571 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Gustavo Jobim Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB 18572 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Gustavo Jobim Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 1:25 am Subject: Re: Rubycon miscue on Tangents box In a message dated 10/19/99 1:49:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: > in regard to the 2 sections of Rubycon that are supposedly different on this > release(the decision) &(crossing part)..Was there ever a corrected CD issued > that had different 'sections' instead of just the different names? How would > I get a 'corrected' CD to replace the one I have? Thanks in advance for any > info Someone probably long since answered this, as I'm a couple days behind on my emails. To my knowledge, no corrected version was ever made, not aware of any plans for Edgar to do so. But then, I haven't talked to him about it. ;-) Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18545 Re: Rubycon miscue on Tangents box SCRIBE1964@a... Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 1:25 am Subject: D:Studio [Rubycon] Well, I'll keep this brief, especially since I listened to Rubycon last week, and didn't write down my impressions at the time. This has always been one of my favorites, but I've come to realize over the last couple of years that Rubycon Part 1 carries my 5AS rating. I think Part 1 is just about as perfect as emusic gets - with the possible exception of next week when we discuss Ricochet. Part 2, on the other hand, has that bleep-bloop quality to the sequencer pattern that seems a little cheesy, and it goes on WAY to long - I'm talking about the part that goes on for several minutes just after the cool spooky part. What really drew my attention to this were the HORRIBLE (IMO) versions of Rubycon on Tangerine Ambience 2 (uh, he's not on this list, is he? hope not). I mean, that up and down sequencer just goes on and on and on, way too forward in the mix, to the point I said, 'no way, this isn't Rubycon.' And I went and played Part 2 and said, 'hmm, I guess maybe it is.' Ok, it's not THAT bad, I still think most of Part 2 is very good. But that part in the middle drags a bit. I probably should lower it to 4AS - but part 1 is SO good, that I'm sticking to my 5AS. Again, I probably sounded harsher on Part 2 than I intend, it's just that one part, and all IMO, of course. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18552 D:Studio [Rubycon] Steve Whiteley Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18561 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Bennett Cookson Fri 10/22/1999 2 KB 18571 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Gustavo Jobim Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB 18572 Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Gustavo Jobim Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 2:10 am Subject: RE: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) What about that song from KS SILVER EDITION that runs 2 full cds! > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 4:08 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) > > > From: Rainer Rutka > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, upnsm0ke wrote: > > Longest 'song' : Thursday Afternoon by Brian Eno. > Approx. 60 minutes (if I remember well) > > Rainer > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Updated TD-Page: http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka > (Pictures from the Topping Out Sony Event) > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed > from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: SCRIBE1964@a... Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 2:40 am Subject: Re:Rubycon miscue on Tangents box According to a letter Edgar wrote to BEYOND THE HORIZON, the track duplication would be fixed in the event of a reprint. I don't believe Tangents was ever reprinted, though. --Ric >Someone probably long since answered this, as I'm a couple days behind on my >emails. To my knowledge, no corrected version was ever made, not aware of >any plans for Edgar to do so. But then, I haven't talked to him about it. >;-) From: Christopher Robbin Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 7:06 am Subject: Re: Ash Ra Tempel Just one word of advice to anyone buying ART albums on CD: AVOID THE TWOFERS ON PURPLE PYRAMID. There's two different twofers they've put out, one has I Schwingungen (or whatever it is) and one has Join Inn (I think the other two albums involved are Starring Rosi and 7 Up, but I forget what combination the albums are arranged in). Everything is taken from vinyl source, and several of the tracks are shortened, in comparison to the versions on the various Spalex releases. Do yourself a favor and spend the extra cash and go for the Splaxex issues of these albums! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 8:22 am Subject: Re: Re: Ash Ra Tempel >From: Christopher Robbin > >Just one word of advice to anyone buying ART >albums on CD: AVOID THE TWOFERS ON PURPLE >PYRAMID. There's two different twofers they've >put out, one has I Schwingungen (or whatever it >is) and one has Join Inn (I think the other two >albums involved are Starring Rosi and 7 Up, but I >forget what combination the albums are arranged >in). Everything is taken from vinyl source, and >several of the tracks are shortened, in >comparison to the versions on the various Spalex >releases. Do yourself a favor and spend the extra >cash and go for the Splaxex issues of these >albums! D'OH! I bought this a couple of months ago - Join Inn and Starring Rosi. I did wonder how they managed to get 2 albums into 75 minutes of music, but assumed they made albums the same length as TD (i.e. about 34 minutes). Oh well, at least it acts as a nice 'sampler' introduction to their music, which isn't like Ashra at all, as someone already pointed out. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 8:18 am Subject: ICQ I've had to uninstall ICQ due to recurring problems between ICQ and Windows NT. Because of such problems, I won't be reinstalling it. If you have access to 'Yahoo! Messenger', simply add symphonie_uk to your friends list and it will tell you when I'm online - Messenger can be downloaded free from www.yahoo.com (or any of their international subdomains) Thanks Simon. From: Victor Rek From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > What about that song from KS SILVER EDITION that runs 2 full cds! There once was a contest for the longest EM song in Synth Direct. I submitted the one mentioned above: Picasso Geht Spazieren, 154 minutes 27 seconds, and for some reason I didn't win. I guess it was too long? :-) From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: Re: Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) Ranier wrote: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Updated TD-Page: http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka > (Pictures from the Topping Out Sony Event) > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - That's just what we all needed! Thanks once again... ;-) ************************************ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'Timothy R. Lemon' Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:06:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher Robbin >Subject: Re: Ash Ra Tempel > >Just one word of advice to anyone buying ART >albums on CD: AVOID THE TWOFERS ON PURPLE >PYRAMID. There's two different twofers they've >put out, one has I Schwingungen (or whatever it >is) and one has Join Inn (I think the other two >albums involved are Starring Rosi and 7 Up, but I >forget what combination the albums are arranged >in). Everything is taken from vinyl source, and >several of the tracks are shortened, in >comparison to the versions on the various Spalex >releases. Do yourself a favor and spend the extra >cash and go for the Splaxex issues of these >albums! > > >Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:22:17 +0000 (GMT) > From: craig.cordrey@g... >Subject: Re: Re: Ash Ra Tempel > > > From: Steve Whiteley From: 'Jim Moore' From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > Steve Whiteley Said: > for almost 20 years. From the float tanks in college...> > ARE YOU NUTS! Haven't you seen _Altered States_? Do you know what hallucinogens and float tanks can do to a person? James *snicker* Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18590 Re: Rubycon and float tanks? PNaunton@xxx.xxx Sun 10/24/1999 1 KB 18616 Re: Rubycon and float tanks? Martin Kay Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB 18621 Re: Rubycon and float tanks? PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 10/25/1999 2 KB 18624 Re: Rubycon and float tanks? Owens James Mon 10/25/1999 2 KB 18625 Re: Rubycon and float tanks? Jim Moore Mon 10/25/1999 3 KB 18627 Re: Rubycon and float tanks? Owens James Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB From: 'Alan Benson' From: Joel Mullen From: 'Jim Moore' > > Check out the comment on where Tangerine Dream hails from... > > http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?83190 > > - jim 'Stellar soundtrack by Chicago's own Tangerine Dream' say's 'Rachael-5' And don't forget the wise comments of Michael Lieberman---- 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, which is a synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be very close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts of the film completely dull.' Regards, Joel From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Mullen > > 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, which > is a > synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be very > close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts of > the film completely dull.' > > > From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Mullen > > On Friday, October 22, 1999 1:26 PM, Jim Moore [SMTP:jimbo@v...] > wrote: > > From: 'Jim Moore' > > > > Check out the comment on where Tangerine Dream hails from... > > > > http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?83190 > > > > - jim > > 'Stellar soundtrack by Chicago's own Tangerine Dream' say's 'Rachael-5' > > And don't forget the wise comments of Michael Lieberman---- > > 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, which > is a > synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be very > close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts of > the film completely dull.' > > > > Regards, > > Joel > From: Joel Mullen From: Owens James > > Perhaps you should go to 'tangerinedream' so you can say what you really > think! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Mullen > > > > 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, which > > is a > > synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be very > > close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts of > > the film completely dull.' > > > > > > Hey damnit, don't cut and paste it to make it look like I said those vile words. *********original message********* And don't forget the wise comments of Michael Lieberman---- 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, which is a synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be very close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts of the film completely dull.' Regards, Joel From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore > Check out the comment on where Tangerine Dream hails from... > > http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?83190 > From: Bennett Cookson From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 8:13 pm Subject: Chicago's own Tangerine Dream. Stellar soundtrack by Chicago's own Tangerine Dream. * They ARE a Blues band right? Poly From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Jim Moore' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Humorous Thief Comments from IMDB... >Date: Fri, Oct 22, 1999, 2:26 PM > > From: 'Jim Moore' > > Check out the comment on where Tangerine Dream hails from... > > http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?83190 > > - jim > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > -- > - > 'The dream is always the same...' -- Joel, Risky Business > jimbo@v... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia > Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Gustavo Jobim Alas, I do not have Ricochet. > >siberkat You should get Ricochet as soon as possible! It's a must have classic TD album. I've bought the 'definitive' version of Ricochet in 15.10.1999 and I play it at least once, every day. And it's extremely good. gfj. gfj . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18576 Re: RICOCHETycon was D:Studio [Rubycon] Steven Le Vine Sat 10/23/1999 3 KB 18579 Re: RICOCHETycon was D:Studio [Rubycon] Gustavo Jobim Sat 10/23/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Longest studio rock track (was D:Rubycon) > From: Martin Kay > > At 19:00 20.10.99 -0700, you wrote: > >From: 'upnsm0ke' > > > >> From: Nick.Adams@p... > >> > >> >From: 'Steven Le Vine' > >> > >> >I am used to long songs mind you (Gates of Delirium is one of my > >> >favorite songs, I mean is there a longer studio rock song than > >> >21:55?). > >> > >> How about , (just off the top of my head) Todd Rundgrens Utopia this is a > >30 >odd min masterpiece............ > > > >UK proggers Legend's title track to their _Triple Aspect_ CD runs 29:29. The > >upcoming Neal Morse/Mike Portnoy/Pete Trewavas/Roine Stolt project > >apparently features a 30-minute track, as well. > > > >E-Man > > > Hi people, > > try: > Edge of Sanity- 'Crimson' (48 min.) > Oldfield- Amarok (40+ min.) > Fields of the Nephilim- For Her Light (35 min.) OK guys just as a matter of interest how long was Dazed and Confused Led Zep. ?????? ' Orch ' Long Live Rock and Roll. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18566 Re: Longest studio rock track Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Fri 10/22/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 10:36 pm Subject: Re: Longest studio rock track In a message dated 10/22/99 10:28:40 PM !!!First Boot!!!, carl-jacqui@k... writes: << OK guys just as a matter of interest how long was Dazed and Confused Led Zep. ?????? ' Orch ' Long Live Rock and Roll. >> *Unless I'm missing some subtle reference, It's certainly not in the same league as the above for length. From: SCRIBE1964@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Oct 22, 1999 10:52 pm Subject: Re:Chicago's own Tangerine Dream There's a band in the film, which I believe was from Chicago. I think their name was The Mighty Joe Young Band. Maybe this person thought they also did the film's score. From: Gustavo Jobim >>>> gfj . From: Gustavo Jobim Gustavo is right, >everytime I visit Rio I visit the Modern Sound shop, which is only about 3 >blocks from the beach at Copacabana. This shop has it all, though somewhat >pricey... As we say here, 'pricey' is just the nickname! Cds there are really expensive! (Not extremely, but very expensive). >Gustavo, you may want to look on the wall where they have alot of Box sets >also, because when I was there last they had copies of 5CD box 'Tangents' >which if I recall, is now out of print and becoming increasingly harder to >find. Happy hunting. Yes, I know... Last time I went there I found that other 5 CD box.. What was the name...Dream Encores? I don't know. Unfortunately, these boxes are toooo expensive for me to buy now. (I don't work yet, and I have to ask (sic) for money.) But I'm still discovering TD - all I have is Phaedra LP, Rubycon LP, Ricochet definit.ed., Stratosfear definit.ed., F.Majeure definit.ed., Extracts from Poland and White Eagle. 7 albums... Too much albums, still a lot of time to explore them - fortunately. >Craig <<<>>>> gfj . From: Gustavo Jobim Perhaps you should go to 'tangerinedream' so you can say what you really >think! Hey, hey, hey! I don't know anything about Thief movie or ST, but is this a democratic list or not??! I hope you were kidding, James! Just a comment... gfj. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Mullen >> >> 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, which >> is a >> synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be very >> close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts of >> the film completely dull.' >> >> <<<>>>> gfj . From: Gustavo Jobim From: Vincent Goudreault >> >> Alas, I do not have Ricochet. >> >> siberkat > >Steven, > > >Here is the recipe: (the phases) >Next, repeat this whole process with Ricochet. I agree about Ricochet, it's just wonderful. Now Rubycon... It's very very good, but I think my favorite studio is oh-my-God-I-can't-choose. I can't pick one favorite album. It's extremely harder than Jarre. <<<>>>> gfj . From: Gustavo Jobim In a few weeks, perhaps months, you'll have this after effect, >a strange sensation of soundscapes, and you'll feel empty for >not being able to identify them. I think I am in this situation, but the album is Pergamon... can't wait to buy it! <<<>>>> gfj . From: Gustavo Jobim > Longest 'song' : Thursday Afternoon by Brian Eno. >> Approx. 60 minutes (if I remember well) >> >> Rainer > >Hallo Rainer! > >What about several Klaus Schulze songs? Many of them almost 78 minutes long! >You should know this since you have every note KS ever played ;-) > >Heiko <<<>>>> gfj . From: Gustavo Jobim Longest 'song' : Thursday Afternoon by Brian Eno. >Approx. 60 minutes (if I remember well) > > Rainer <<<>>>> gfj . From: 'Steven Le Vine' > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > In a message dated 10/22/99 10:28:40 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > carl-jacqui@k... writes: > > << OK guys just as a matter of interest how long was Dazed and Confused > Led > Zep. ?????? > ' Orch ' Long Live Rock and Roll. >> > > *Unless I'm missing some subtle reference, It's certainly not in > the same league as the above for length. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18587 Re: Longest Live rock track Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sun 10/24/1999 1 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Owens James >To: ''tadream@o...'' >Subject: [tadream] Where to buy TD on the net (was: Availability of TD CD's) >Date: Thu, Oct 21, 1999, 11:43 AM > I ordered RICH & CYC (Can you guys figure it out? :) for less than $20.00 (including shipping) TEE HEE!! Actually, a couple of more CDs & I basically got a relatively (IMO) complete collection (excluding singles & 'dreams'=boots & impossible to locate CDs :). So I will hopefully have the pleasure of listening to Ricochet as a 'virgin' (Don't Start!). To the most beautiful moment in life,, Better than the deed, better than the memory, the moment... of anticipation! (Jacques/ The Simpsons) Of getting TD CDs in the mail! np: Yesshows (Soon from Gates..) siberkat ---------- >From: Gustavo Jobim >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Re: RICOCHETycon was D:Studio [Rubycon] >Date: Thu, Oct 21, 1999, 12:27 PM > > From: Gustavo Jobim > >>Alas, I do not have Ricochet. >> >>siberkat > > You should get Ricochet as soon as possible! It's a must have classic TD > album. I've bought the 'definitive' version of Ricochet in 15.10.1999 > and I > play it at least once, every day. > > And it's extremely good. > > gfj. > > gfj . > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Dale' To: tadream@o... Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Humorous Thief Comments from IMDB... >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >funny: two back-to-back commentaries contradicting each other about the >merits of the music in Thief. that Lieberman dude is out of his mind. >maybe the music was mixed a little heavier in parts than movies usually are >(not that I minded!), but it certainly was no 'mess'! He says the music >took away from the suspense, but I think it *kept* the suspense going >through. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Moore >> Check out the comment on where Tangerine Dream hails from... >> >> http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?83190 >> > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Gustavo Jobim I have always wanted to bring this point up anyway. Why is it >that most of seem to agree that we need to go through exactly >what Vincent recommends for some TD CDs? I do not remember how >many times I have read posts saying 'it took me a long time to >get into this CD'. That happens because some of TD's albums are very difficult, at least for me, a late 90s-00s generation 16 almost 17-year-old e-listener. I had to listen to Phaedra for about 2 weeks to like it. Rubycon is taking a little longer for me to get into, perhaps because the LP I bought is a little tooo old and scratched. Some albums, like Force Majeure, I liked at the 1st time, when listening to them at the store, before buying. When I first heard FM, I couldn't undo an uncomfortable grin... Other albums I liked at the 1st listen were White Eagle - Midnight in Tula was my first favourite TD track -, Poland and Ricochet, and Stratosfear. Those 7 albums are all that I have from TD. :) >Actually, of the music I am missing (Ricochet, Cyclone & a couple >of soundtracks), I am 'dreaming' of appreciating these CDs >immediately. As I said, get Ricochet ASAP! >Read ya'all later, > >siberkat gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18580 Re: Recipes was Re: Re: D:Studio [Rubycon] Jared White Sat 10/23/1999 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Steven Le Vine' > >Actually Gustavo, > >I was gonna wait to thank James till I got them: > >---------- >>From: Owens James >>To: ''tadream@o...'' >>Subject: [tadream] Where to buy TD on the net (was: Availability of TD >CD's) >>Date: Thu, Oct 21, 1999, 11:43 AM >> > >I ordered RICH & CYC (Can you guys figure it out? :) for less >than $20.00 (including shipping) TEE HEE!! >Of getting TD CDs in the mail! > >np: Yesshows (Soon from Gates..) > >siberkat gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: 'Jared White' From: Gustavo Jobim > Other > albums I liked at > the 1st listen were White Eagle - Midnight in Tula was my > first favourite > TD track -, Poland and Ricochet, and Stratosfear. Those 7 > albums are all > that I have from TD. :) Just out of curiosity, why haven't you tried out some more recent TD albums? You do have a CD player, don't you? :) Since you're a recent TD fan, you might like some of the more modern TD albums that aren't always appreciated by long-time fans. (No offense intended to anyone.) You might want to pick up Dream Mixes and/or Oasis. They're good representations of a wide range of 90's styles. Just doing my 90's TD pitch again, folks. ;) Regards, Jared P. S. Speaking of Dream Mixes, I recently got the Dream Mixes import box set. I had had only the Video Dream Mixes DVD previously. Boy, is there a difference in sound quality! The DVD sounds worse than bad MP3 compression, whereas the Dream Mixes CDs are top-notch. Image Entertainment sure did a lousy DVD mastering job. The DVD sound is PCM, 48khz, so it should sound *at least* as good as the CDs. But anyways... thought some of you might be interested to find that out. __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Christopher Robbin > Well, I suppose it's not bad for someone who's just hearing the band for the first time, but I recall that something like 2-3 minutes was missing from the Join Inn material. Yes, the albums (or at least the ones I have) are in the +/- 35 minute area of length, so they are kinda short. Thing is Purple Pyramid seems incapable of reissuing anything without messing it up. They've messed up the various Brainticket releases they've put out (actually managing to mix up the masters for Voyage and Adventure, so when you bought one, you were actually getting the other, and inserting pauses between the tracks on Celestial Ocean) and leaving a track of the Steve Howe Mothballs CD they put out. I can't remember what else they've messed up. Basically, the thing to remember with Purple Pyramid is two words: caveat emptor. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: Christopher Robbin > Well, the studio version is something like 9 minutes long, I think. The live version, on the dreaded Song Remains The Same is more like 28 minutes, I think. I've heard sometimes it'd go on even longer than that, though I've never heard any bootlegs with that song on it. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Oct 23, 1999 11:53 am Subject: Discussion Week 8 - Sunday 24th October 1999 This week brings us to the first live album to review. The 1975 masterpiece, Ricochet. Please make your subject heading 'D:Live [Ricochet]' This will help people distinguish between, Studio, Soundtrack and Live albums when searching the archives. I will be posting a full provisional schedule for the discussion weeks later today..... Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Ken Mitchell' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Oct 23, 1999 5:50 pm Subject: Phaedra/Rubycon analysis and interview with TD Hi all, I've attached some text from an old tour book of TD which includes an analysis of Phaedra/Rubycon and an interview with the band on their origins. I meant to get this out earlier, but had lost it in a computer crash. Thanks to pal Grant Middleton (of Under The Dome) for sending me his version.... This is great stuff folks, better late than never!!! Poly Contents/summary of tourbook: Titles and Tour Dates Tangerine Dream In Concert, October 1975 Intro to the Concert/instrumentation Ecstasy without Agony Tangerine Dream under the microscope. Karl Dallas discusses their contribution to modern music Light on a Dark Group Talking to Tangerine Dream Dreaming for the record (The Making of Music) An Analysis of Phaedra and Rubycon by Karl Dallas with comments by Christoph Franke. The National Sound of German Rock Technology without Tears The instruments that make the music discussed by Chris Simmons. ----------------------------------------------------- Tangerine Dream A Let It Rock Special 'We prefer doing special memorable events rather than a series of concerts...' October Tour 1975 4TH COVENTRY CATHEDRAL (with kind permission of the Cathedral authorities) 5TH BRISTOL COLSTON HALL 7TH NORWICH, ST. ANDREWS HALL 9TH SHEFFIELD CITY HALL 12TH BIRMINGTON TOWN HALL 13TH OXFORD POLYTECHNIC 14TH AYLESBURY, FRIARS-VALE HALL 16TH LIVERPOOL CATHEDRAL (by invitation of the Dean and Canon Precenter) 17TH GLASGOW CITY HALL 19TH MANCHESTER HARDROCK 20TH YORK MINSTER 23RD CROYDON FAIRFIELD HALL It is emphasised, that with reference to the concerts on 4th, 16th and 20th October, there must be no smoking at any time in the Cathedrals. Road Crew: Chris Blake, Des Seal, Roland Paulick Special thanks to the tour promoters: Darrol Edwards. Tour Manager and personal assistant to Tangerine Dream: Andrew Graham Stewart, c/o Virgin Records 2-3 Vernon Yard, 119 Portobello Road, London W11. (Tel:01-727 8070) Programme written and produced on behalf of the Rock Writers' Co- operative Society Ltd., 283 Grays Inn Road, London WC1X 8QF (Tel:01-278 2633). (c) The authors and the Rock Writers' Co-operative Society Ltd. Art Direction: George Snow Cover Illustration: Geoff McCloud. Programme Design: Kevin Sparrow Typesetting: Flaschtype, 48a Goodge St.,W1 Printed by: Chelsea Printing Services, 186 Campden Hill Road, W8. ----------------------------------------------------- TANGERINE DREAM IN CONCERT, OCTOBER 1975 The concerts are Tangerine Dream's first in Britain, since their very successful tour in November 1974 -- except for the group's sell-out appearance at the Royal Albert Hall in April. One unique feature of the tour is the concerts in the cathedrals. Tangerine Dream have already played in major European cathedrals in Rheims last December and in Munich in April. Asked why Tangerine Dream had planned the cathedral dates, leader Edgar Froese said: 'The most important reason is that we prefer doing special memorable events rather than a series of concerts. Cathedrals have incredible acoustic possibilities, particularly because most of them were built when amplification did not exist. In no way are we attempting to create religious events, however, in these buildings the atmosphere is more condusive to concentration than elsewhere -- and our music demands concentration. The intrinsic beauty of cathedrals goes without saying, and it is sad these buildings are under utilized. Tangerine Dream consider it something of an honour to be given permission to perform in cathedrals. Representatives of the group have been liaising closely with the cathedral authorities, and will continue to do so. The concerts outside the cathedrals will likewise be special events. Where space allows, the group will employ a contemporary dancer, who will improvise to the music. The amazing potential of blending Tangerine Dream's music with contemporary dancing was proved last November, when the Ballet Rambert used 'Phaedra' for a performance on BBC 2's Second House. Tangerine Dream will be bringing over a wealth of new equipment, far more than they employed at the recent Albert Hall concert. As usual, full quadraphonic sound will be used whenever the facilities of the halls allow. Tangerine Dream are generally considered to be at their best in a concert setting: as Steve Lake of Melody Maker has commented -- 'Live, the sophistication of their approach invariably convinces.' Immediately following their U.K. tour, Tangerine Dream leave for Los Angeles where they will see William Friedkin (Director of 'The French Connection' and 'The Exorcist') and discuss the recording of the soundtrack for his next film. Concert dates in the States are then planned, followed by visits to Japan and Australia. The instrumentation of Tangerine Dream is: Edgar Froese: Mellotron 400 Mellotron Mark 5 (new model with double tape set and double keyboard), Farfisa 400 double keyboard organ, Farfisa electric piano, VCS3 synthesizer with EMS sequenzer and EMS keyboard, Moog sequenzer. Peter Baumann: Farfisa double keyboard organ (first model) Farfisa organ (professional model, Fender Rhodes electric piano, Mellotron 400, Elka electric string organ, two AKS synthesizers with touch keyboards (EMS), ARP synthesizer 2600 with keyboard, Moog sequenzer. Christoph Franke: Modified AKS synthesizer (EMS), Elka electronic string organ, two Moog 300 P synthesizers (big models) with two 4-Moog synthesizers (modified), ARP 3600, Farfisa organ Professional model, Mellotron 400, special-built computer-operated rhythm controller. ----------------------------------------------------- THE ECSTASY WITHOUT THE AGONY Tangerine Dream under the microscope. Karl Dallas discusses their contribution to modern music Prologue The vibration of the wire over the pick-up creates a changing electrical potential according to the length of the wire and the speed of its vibration. This potential is carried along conductors to a complex assemblage of semi-conductors, potentiometers and other electronic circuitry, whence it is conducted to a transducer, from which is emitted a sound, the frequency of which is directly related to the speed and length of the vibrating string -- which may be varied at will. It is possible, by the use of variable filters, to so modify the sound that almost vocal impressions may be aroused in the hearer: the crying of a baby, for instance, or the wailing of a banshee. If it is connected with a revolving tape loop, the person who lengthens or shortens the wire and causes it to vibrate, may have what he has just played repeated so that he is, in effect, playing with himself. He may therefore, within limits laid down by the intrinsic noise generated by the control, usually foot-operated, he may cut off the 'attack' at the beginning of a sound as he strikes the wire, so that the characteristic nature of this particular sound source is disguised by changing the apparent 'envelope' of the sound. Is this a description of a new and particularly inaccessible piece of multi-million dollar electronic equipment? No, it's called an electric guitar. Or try this. Air is blown through a column across which are stretched cords of elasticated material which, like the wire ('string' of the guitar, sound 'high' or 'low' according to whether they are tightened or slackened. The resultant sound is fed into an acoustic filter of a virtually infinitely variable shape, so that the fibrating column of air may be directed against hard or soft surfaces, flat, rounded, or polymorphous. The resulting filtered sounds may be used to induce pleasure or to communicate information. Easy, isn't it. The answer is the human voice. The point is that the human voice, and even the circuitry that has grown up around the electric guitar since T-Bone Walker first electrified the blues, are regarded as simple because they are familiar. Conversely, the electronic hardware of synthesizers upon which a band like Tangerine Dream play is regarded as complicated because it is unfamiliar. And yet all of it, from the simplest to the most complex -- and who is to say which is the more complex, the small human brain or the electronic computer which stores a fraction of the information in several times the space? -- is designed to produce a sound, and it is the sound we should be considering, not the hardware that produces it. 1. They've just deleted Karlheinz Stockhausen's Greatest Hits At the beginning of Jonathan Cott's book, 'Stockhausen -- Conversations with the composer', the subject quotes a conversation he had with Suzuki, the Japanese zen philosopher, about what is natural and what is artificial, and he records the zenman's rejection of the distinction he was trying to make between older, 'natural' music and this modern 'artificial' stuff with tape recorders and gadgets. 'You see,' says Stockhausen, 'he took artificial to be something that is more than merely artful. If something conflicts with our natural feelings and prevents our being at one with ourselves, only then would that be artificial. So a machine, a computer, is a quite natural extension of the brain. It's like producing a baby.' As we all know from our biology and physics lessons, everything comes down to electricity in the end. It was interesting to see that Wilhelm Reich, in his 'The Function of the Orgasm', uses a diagram to illustrate what he called the sex-economy energy process, an equilateral triangle with the left hand side an arrow pointing to the apex, marked 'tension' and the right-hand side an arrow coming down to the corner of the base, marked 'relaxation', and that in a book by Daphne Oram, first director of the BBC's radiophonic workshop, she used a similar diagram to illustrate the similarity between the electrical discharge from a capacitor, the creation of a musical note, and a musical work of art. 'The time taken for a capacitor to discharge its tension may be a fraction of a second, for a trumpet to play its crochet, a fraction of an hour,' she wrote. 'As phenomena they strike me as being surprisingly alike. Each one an interplay of potential, resistance and time resulting in the release of power. Each is achieving its effect on the outside world by disciplining the potential, by creating varying resistance so that the power is modulated in perceptible, finite time.' And in describing the pattern of the first side of 'Phaedra', Christoph Franke of Tangerine Dream used a similar analogy, which could in itself be symbolized by the shape displayed on an oscilloscope by a so-called square-wave tone. Indeed, the word 'ramp' he uses, comes from waveform terminology: 'The envelope of the whole piece is that you have a very slow ramp, having sound coming from nowhere, at first very abstract and amorphous and then slowly picking up melodies and rhythms, getting stronger to a climax, there is a very quick stop at the end of the ramp and then it goes very slowly up to the end, coming from very noisy sounds, from very abstract sound to a very harmonic sound,' There is a problem of terminology, of notation, In an age when we are coming to the end of musical (and all?) literacy, when each modern composer creates his own private language to demonstrate what he is up to, we have to resort to visual images to describe what we mean. Notes are described as getting 'higher and lower' when what we mean is that they vibrate faster or slower. Electronic sounds are described as 'white noise' (the sort of random sounds you get if you tune an FM radio off the station without operating the squelch or mute button) and 'pink noise', which means that some of the frequencies have been filtered out to 'colour' the sound. What this actually is is the end of the visual symbolism which has dominated music (eg harmony is the creation of clusters of notes observed to be in a vertical relationship on a printed stave) since it became separated out into an art form. And it is the attempt to elevate electronic music above other more popular forms which makes the innovations of Stockhausen and his associates less relevant to the needs of today than the playing of any rock guitarist. Cornelius Cardew, an old associate, has taken up a Maoist position on Stockhausen's work which relates his mysticism (a charge which was once made by Marxists against Einstein) to support for imperialism, but it is really the stance of the classical composer which makes his music anti-popular, not the medium within which he works. Electronic music can only work if it becomes a popular form, which means that it needs to fit into a rock context, to my mind. 2. I Like It Because I Can't Understand It Few new bands have received such a bad press as Tangerine Dream when they began to be heard in Britain. Steve Lake, apotheosis of the avant garde, wrote them off as Muzak. The same critics who had saved their most vitriolic epithets till then for slagging off Mike Oldfield turned on the Dreamers with the same adjectival aggro: somnolence, cures for insomnia, amorphousness, perm any one of three charges. Up until then, electronic music, in either the popular or classical field, had lived up to Lillian Roxon's description of the United States of America, who in 1967 had been one of the first rock groups in the world to use predominantly synthesized sound: ' ... their music was too contrived, too mechanical, too cerebral.' A sort of negative Stalinist position was adopted by those critics who might have been expected to be most sympathetic to anyone blazing new technological trails: if it was accessible, then it couldn't be much cop. To be fair, this was a justifiable position to adopt. Walter Carlos's brilliant (but musically insignificant) 'Switched On Bach' had sparked off an incredible range of inferior imitations which lacked his wit and used the massive resources of Robert A. Moog's invention to produce poor mimicry of the sounds of 'real' instruments. We were approaching a situation where there was a direct ratio between the level of musical boredom and the amount of electronic hardware employed. After all, in Stockhausen's Mikrophonie he had managed with a tam-tam, a mike, and an amplifier to produce his effects. Perhaps we were suffering from technological overkill. The 'difficulty' or otherwise of any piece of music is no gauge of its value, either way; Leadbelly's Lousiana accent was well-night indecipherable to a whole generation of British blues fans, but that didn't stop his music from awakening a kindred spark in their hearts which lay at the root of the entire British blues boom and hence of rock and roll in this country. The musical vocabulary of one genre, even one as simple as rock, may make the music a completely foreign tongue to one raised in a different tradition, where it is the entertainment of babes in arms. And a music whose vocabulary eludes even those who profess to like it may in fact have nothing to communicate. 3. The synthetic and the concrete There was (and is) another reason why Tangerine Dream's music sometimes sounds excessively bland, on the surface at least, to those who have not bothered to get further into it, and that is the use they make of the Mellotron, which makes them an uneasy hybrid between the two kinds of electronic music, the Parisian and the Kolnisch. Although composers have been experimenting with the mechanical and electronic generation and manipulation of sounds since as early as 1899, when William Duddell produced a musical note by placing a coil and capacitor in parallel with an electric arc, the first real break-through into electronic music as a genre in its own right came from the studios of Radio-Television Francaise in Paris and the musique concrete of Pierre Schaeffer, who used tape recorders, filters etc to modify previously recorded 'real' sounds like street noises and even actual musical instruments, resulting in music that could only be performed by running the tape. Although Stockhausen produced his first electronic etude in the RTF studio, he switched pretty fast to the WDR studio in Cologne where it was believed, in his own words, 'one can recognise a first criterion for the quality of an electronic composition by hearing the degree to which it is free from all instrumental or other auditive associations. Such associations divert the listener's comprehension from the self-evidence of the sound-world presented to him because he thinks of bells, organs, birds or faucets ... From this we should conclude that it is best for electronic music just to sound like electronic music, that is, it should as far as possible contain only sounds and sound-connections which are unique and free of association and which make us feel we have never heard of them before' (Die Reihe, 1961). Of course, like that other enfant terrible of the avant garde, John Cage, Stockhausen didn't always feel himself bound by these rules, and in fact the whole history of electronic music has been a record of the conflict between the two attitudes. But it has to admit that when Stockhausen allows concrete sounds to intrude into an electronic passage, as with the voice which intones 'les jeux sont faites' during the fourth region of his otherwise brilliant Hymnen, it destroys the sublimity of what has gone below and reduces it to the banal. This is what Mellotrons tend to do. The Mellotron is a keyboard instrument which is loaded with tapes playing each of the keyboard's notes: a tape may be of strings or voices or trumpets or what you will, and with his ten fingers the musician can create a ten-piece brass or string section or whatever. For this reason, the Mellotron ran into understandable trouble with the Musicians' Union at a very early stage in its career. Now though Christoph Franke plays a Moog synthesizer, and the other two members of Tangerine Dream play smaller synthesizers from the British EMS company, if this was all they did they would be reduced to playing single melody lines all the time, since at the present stage of development it is impossible to play chords on a synthesizer keyboard. This is why they rely on organs and electric pianos and the Mellotron to create the full wash of sound against which the single notes of the synthesizers can stand out like pinpoints of crystal. They use complex arrangements of electronics to modify the resulting sounds electronically, phase shifters to make the sounds appear to move spatially and up and down as well as across the stereo image, filters, and so on, but they are still faced at times with which sound to me like un-easy compromises and I am reduced to imagining what their sound might be like if it were totally synthesized. This is especially so in the case of the Mellotron, for reasons which I have found it hard to analyse. Perhaps it is the lack of attack at the beginning of the notes, or the fact that some of the commercially available tapes are not really of very high quality musically or electronically (Tangerine Dream are working on recording their own special tapes), but there is something in the Mellotron in the hands of Edgar Froese which brings out all his innate romanticism and almost spills over into sentimentality. At times, like the noble theme he plays on Mellotron strings on the ludicrously titled 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares' (perhaps it loses something in the translation from the German) at the beginning of side two of 'Phaedra', his lyrical gift triumphs over the shortcomings of the instrument, and the visions conjured up, as Peter Baumann's synthesized wind noise sweeps across the speakers, is epic. And again, at the beginning of his newest solo album, he directs the resources of a veritable symphony orchestra of Mellotron overdubs to produce a stunning effect. And yet, live, they do sometimes lose their way into modal doodles which are cloying rather than sweet, sickly rather than stimulating. This is one of the penalties of a music that is completely free. While their albums are for the most part performed live, with as few overdubs as possible, they do of course have the opportunity to reject tapes which start promisingly and peter out into meanderings, something which is likely to happen to the most creative free musician, let's be honest. There is also the melodic fact that unless you are going to strive all the time for the note of anguish that so many associate with avant garde music, which is not Tangerine Dream's aim at all, you do run the risk of playing safe games on the black notes. Any kid who lives in a house with a piano must have produced 'Chinese' or 'Scottish' music on the black notes without any musical knowledge at all. What he is playing is a pentatonic gapped scale, which used to be regarded as discordant but now, thanks to the work of Debussy and Ravel, is merely attractively exotic. What is fun in the front parlour (if he doesn't keep it up for too long) can be a sweeter kind of hell in the concert hall, and while Tangerine Dream's creativity is of a higher order than that, it's got to be admitted that while they wait for inspiration to come, or to return, their playing does lack bite. It is this uncertainty as to whether they are going to pull it off and they usually do that makes each Dream concert an exciting experience in its own right. But it is risky. 4. The personalities of an impersonal group So far, Tangerine Dream have usually played in semi-darkness, Not, I assure you, to create any mystical aura about them, but because they wanted to focus attention upon the collective sound of the music as a whole, rather than what any one member was playing. They are beginning to recognise, however, that though to have the lights go DOWN rather than up when a band comes on stage must have been a refreshing change when they first began playing, it has now become a restrictive image, and they are actively seeking ways of smashing through the particular wall that it has become between their music and their audience. Impersonality can, after all, become the worst kind of ego trip. Actually, if it weren't for the semi-darkness, the musical personalities of the three members might be more easily recognisable and, in my personal opinion, their music much less mysterious to their fans who enjoy what they do without quite knowing what is going on. Edgar Froese, as I've said, is the great romantic of the group. A big, slow-speaking man with sandy hair, married to the lady who has designed most of the band's record sleeves, he plays the Mellotron. He tends to be the spokesman for the band, though on technical matters he defers happily to Christoph Franke. Franke is the man who sits in the middle, in front of the space terminal bank of the Moog. An ex-drummer whose rhythmic base shows in the way he uses the Moog's sequencers to lay down complex polyrhythms for the rest to improvise upon. When Peter Baumann left the group briefly earlier this year to be replaced by Michael Hoenig, the new man's rhythmic interests produced some of the funkiest music I have heard the band play, but possibly tended to over-balance the band at the expense of melody. For whatever reason, he left and Baumann returned. Peter is the only member of the band who started on keyboards and it does tend to show in his playing. He is also very much into the electronic modification of natural sounds and utilises the whole vocabulary of electronic yelps and twitters and hows which the VCS3 synthesizer puts at his disposal . Of course, all three play several instruments, and the electronic hardware they deploy to modify their sound is the equivalent of several more, but this may give some sort of starting point to who is playing what. What needs to be stressed, however, as well as the individual musical personalities of its three members, is the collective identity of Tangerine Dream as a BAND, inter-acting and intercommunicating on stage and in the studio. Edgar Froese's analogy of their music with a good conversation is a true one, for each of the other two will respond to what the others is doing -- and, in the process, react again upon the first musician. In so doing, they build up a musical empathy which is, perhaps, the most remarkable thing about them. Ever since Louis Armstrong invented the cornet solo, and led jazz away from the strict traditional confines of New Orleans, musicians have been striving for absolute freedom, often discovering merely a new kind of tyranny, the abhorrence of concordant sounds, even as an accident, the neglect of the underlying pulse which is at the base of all music, stemming from the heart-beat and the labour process. Freedom is seen as an ego-expanding situation, which must necessarily be at the expense of the rest: collective responsibility is disregarded in the sacred name of doing your own thing, so the soloist becomes absolute dictator, if only for the extent of his solo, and the other musicians his subjects, bound to do his bidding. This extreme individualism, which has its roots in the 19th century romanticism of Byron and Tchaikovsky, which itself was the expression of an age when individualistic entrepreneurs were opening up the world for exploitation, will not be found in the freedom of the playing of Tangerine Dream. They work together, not against each other. I was interested to find that, to the Dreamers, the supreme test of their empathy is when they come to the end of a piece spontaneously, without any overt message between them. 'We are now at the point,' says Froese, 'that we can find the end of a piece without connection between us. It sometimes surprises us too that we come to the end after 40 or 50 minutes and we all begin to feel it must end, so we are going down and then we stop without any signals from one to the other.' Lovers of Indian music will not unfamiliar with this situation, having seen the look of joy that will pass between a master sitarist like Ravi Shankar and his tabla-player as they finish a piece precisely on the same beat. As in so many things, the true avant gardists are reinventing the past. It was this sense of timelessness, of a connection, through electronics, with a period when music was literally closer to the heart of every man, and everything he did was a kind of sacrament, that led Keith Michell to use Tangerine Dream to record background music for his Chichester production of Oedipus Tyrannus. And though the collaboration was a failure, this probably tells us more about the irrelevance of proscenium theatre, even when self-consciously brought out into the auditorium, to the cultural needs of the present day. Tangerine Dream have not yet reached the pinnacle of the peak they have been attempting to scale since 1965, and it may be that, without some fundamental changes in attitudes within the music industry, the ultimate Everest is inaccessible for everyone. Because they are developing a new musical vocabulary, it sometimes becomes difficult to indicate verbally their more successful excursions, compared with times when they just spend time seeking for a direction. They, themselves, are highly critical of their earlier work, not merely their formative recordings for Ohr of Germany which are so untypical of what they are playing now that they have tried to stop their distribution in the rest of the world, but even parts of their much more significant later British recordings. But I feel that in their attempt fo find a new way of making music that is accessible to every man and woman prepared to surrender to the flow of the music, they are probably showing us that there is nothing unusual, nothing artificial, certainly nothing impersonal in electricity. After all, that's what holds us all together. Coda 'Music is the electric soil in which the spirit lives, thinks and invents.' Ludwig van Beethoven said that. ----------------------------------------------------- LIGHT ON A DARK GROUP Talking to Tangerine Dream The Beginnings Peter Baumann: In the shops where they played their records they had to renew the ceiling because it dropped down. This is when we heard the first time of Tangerine Dream. It wasn't just the volume ... Edgar Froese: It was a free rock form with normal instruments -- drums, bass, guitar, flute and violin. In some of our earliest experiments we had arranged songs by the Doors and people like this and so when the group started in 1968 there were a lot of aggressive points inside it. It was not the kind of musical discussion like we have it now. It was another feel. I started on guitar with the group, but I stopped because I found I was getting so much of my inspiration from the old ways, aggressive things, power things. Until then, we had known only one thing and that was the loudness. Then it was too loud, nobody could listen to the drums, the drummer couldn't listen to the guitar, things like that. After a couple of years, it's over. You can't find out the very different things. The little things, the little sounds are whispering you know. Christoph sold his drums and we all sold our normal instruments. We were quitting the business, it was all dead. We had been a rock group and we had a good background for that but we couldn't listen to it. Christoph Franke: We went through a long period of experiment. We used other instruments, special guitars and so on, to try for other feelings. I tried to change the style of my drumming from beat drumming to other colours and structures. But it was very hard, because instruments have clearly defined borders, which you cannot cross. I tried other drums, not only European drums, and then I tried to make myself electric drums with special mikes. Then I got rid of my drums and got a synthesizer which was a better way, because there are far more possibilities. On a synthesizer are very many instruments and each of us can choose the instruments he likes. Peter: I was playing organ in another group, and I was always looking for something that I had never done before. I just wanted to play and keeping playing and I did that for two years without finding it. Then suddenly I heard a glass smash in a kitchen and I sensed the electricity in the moment when the glass fell down. When the glass fell in 2001, it was a bit like this. I realised there were different ways of expressing yourself, and all that day I really started trying all sorts of different sounds, twanging the blade of a knife on the edge of the table, to find something to express what I wanted. Then, later, we found that the best way to find those sounds was electronically. Edgar: The biggest shock I ever got as a guitarist was to listen to Jimi Hendrix, I saw what could be done with the guitar. On the other hand, I wasn't a very good guitarist. I was not a bad one but I was not really a good one. I put it through a fuzz box, put other things between the instrument and the amplifier, then I put it into a synthesizer to change the sound. But we were still trying to transform the music and so I changed back to keyboards, which I'd played for about four years, ten or 12 years before. I wasn't actually very, very interested four or five years ago in pure technical things. So I had to teach myself very hard, because I hadn't very much sympathy for that field. But after a couple of years, it's very open for me now. I think everyone could learn it. Peter: We started at a point where nobody was interested in the music we were doing. There was such a small number of people interested that there wasn't a name for it. It wasn't pop and it wasn't avant garde, we just did it. It grew and the people who liked to listen to it grew too and so it has just grown by itself, with no one giving it a name. Electronic music Edgar: Our first idea after we got all the electronics was to find out the sounds that have normally not been heard before. We listened to a lot of electronic stuff on record and it's very well known to a lot of people. If they went to an electronic concert they would know maybe 80 or 90 per cent of the sounds. But the problem for us is that we've tried to go further, to find out sounds that are very unknown. We are now at the point where there a lot of possibilities to mix all the things we have, but to find out really new sounds, we can't do that at the moment. Christoph: Specially in America, there is a special image for synthesizer groups. There are a lot of such groups but they make very different music from us. We like to make our image with our music, not with our instruments. If we use, next time, other instruments, maybe computers or wood instruments, then we are not a wood instrument group or computer group. We like to make our names only for music. Peter: Why does somebody learn to play bass? Why doesn't he choose a guitar? Why does somebody learn to play organ and not Celtic harp? I mean, it's personal feeling towards instruments and there are some people who take a saw on the stage and saw a table apart and that's part of their musical expression. And there are others who take a glass and throw that against the wall. We've found that we use those instruments as personal expression. They suit us best. Edgar: ... we try to find the togetherness of all possibilities of sounds. There's a normal way of producing music, you can listen to the special sound: it's a guitar, or it's drums. You have so much association to all things you've heard before, that what's behind, it's impossible to listen to. So we've tried to change all that. We play the guitar, not like a guitar. We play an organ not like an organ. We change the instruments to change the experience of listening. Peter: We have tried to find the sounds we want by conventional means. But we found in the end that the most direct method to get the sounds we wanted was electronically. And so if the audience finds it simpler to think about the electronics then we won't mind. But the real point is to find exactly the right sound for the mood we are trying to create. Edgar: Electronic music isn't our theme. it's a little help of ours. We can find every tone, much more for instance than a flute or guitar. You know, you hear it's a guitar. You hear the guitar lines. We shook it free of that. Peter: I think you shouldn't talk too much about electronic music because it sounds like lots of patterns, just sitting there, and some kind of mathematic We just use electronics to do what we want to. There is a relationship between every kind of music because music exists from certain factors -- tempo, dynamic, height of the tones. This is basically what music is and there is a relationship between every kind of music. But if you ask if there is a special emotion or a special touch to our music, I don't think we consider our music as any new kind of rock music. We don't consider it at all. I think maybe there's no need. Edgar: We like to be thought of as a group working out good ideas, new ways of music and possibilities for the future, but we are definitely not a 'synthesizer group'. We like to integrate all sorts of music, but I think a lot of readers of the papers may begin to think of us as just human potentiometers. We are still musicians. The musical conversation Edgar. On one hand we are always talking about the togetherness, how we must play together, we must do our things together, we must feel together the same things at the same time and on the other hand we are very different persons, we have really different thoughts about music. And maybe it's that point why we have come together on stage with our music, that each member of the group can give from their different backgrounds. Maybe one member of the group sitting down won't get any ideas about the things he wants to do now. Then he gets a message from left or right. And then the talk between us stops because one will give a question to another and someone gives an answer. It is just like conversation. But what you can't do when you are talking is for one man to say the same thing as another, only louder. He has to wait for a space and then when he has spoken he has to fade out his voice so that the others can give their comments. It's the same in music. Peter: It's silly to say that we play at every concert something that we haven't played before. We can't do every day two hours of completely new music. Of course, we could play for ten hours just demonstrating what we've got on our instruments. This is no problem and you won't hear us repeat anything for ten hours. But this is not the togetherness of the music which happens if it is a good concert. Edgar: Some of the spirit on the first one or two albums, perhaps, may have been mine. And even today in the recording studio, perhaps, where you can stop the tape or emphasise one thing at the expense of another and make overdubbing, but on stage it is impossible for us to have a leader. If I were the leader I would have to give signs about what's happening now or to play louder now or what should be done on the instruments but it's not possible. Each member of the group has to respect the others. Another way is not possible. Peter: We are different persons, of course, and we have different backgrounds, so we play differently on the same instruments. He uses the same synthesizer as I do, but he will never play the same as I do, nor will I play the same as he does. Everyone looks at the instrument in a different way. So you can't possibly say that Christoph is playing Moog, that's why he's making the most synthetic sound and Edgar is playing Mellotron, so he's doing the most classical sound. It's very hard to define by the instruments. Edgar: Our way of playing music is the togetherness of all the people in it, and it's not only the way of playing, of working with an instrument, but the feeling behind the instrument. Peter: It's all improvisation, but since we know each other there's some kind of harmony between us that you cannot explain. We have some basic feelings and emotions that will appear all the time, but there are special ways, special scenes, it depends very much upon the scenery where we're playing, they influence the music so that every concert is different. The tendency of the music of course is the same, but we never have two concerts the same. Edgar: I think we know exactly what the other one feels and the way of playing is when one of us starts with a special thing, the other two help him to work it out. And so, when he has done that, another one of us starts to work his thing out, and the other two help him. It's not a thing of solo parts, and to fight it out how I want to be the biggest now. It's not our way. Of course, in Berlin we are not always together. We meet, one or two times a week, for rehearsal or for talking about it, and so we don't see each other in the meantime. Each person has his own way, his own thing, his own private atmosphere. So when you start to play again each person can bring in new feelings, new experiences. If we sat around each night and talking and talking and talking, it will always be the same. Christoph: Liquid, that's a very important word for our music, each part flowing from one point to another, very smooth, very liquid. You don't have very big cuts or breaks. It's like water. Sometimes there's a waterfall, maybe, but no stop. Edgar: On the Mellotron I have about ten sets of tapes, each with three different possibilities. There is one tape with a lot of different noises, you know from steps on the floor or bells ringing or drums, traffic noises, all sorts of strange sounds. What we want to do now is to record our own tapes. You can also use the Mellotron with something like a wah-wah pedal or a fuzz box. I did it one time, but I wasn't very satisfied with it The only thing I did is to change the sound with a phase shifter or put the Mellotron into the synthesizer. By that I could filter the sound or have a special attack on a single key or I could change the wave form a bit, things like that. Peter: Hearing music at any time will never be the same as any other time because the situation is very important and the time you hear the music is very important. Every time you're going to hear different aspects and you wander around in the music. The music is there somewhere in the room and you walk and look at the music and feel the music and see different aspects. Edgar: The time, it's moving, and so for the music, for the feeling, it's the same. In one moment like this, we are just sitting around, but this situation will never be again. It's only in this time, only in this connection. It's the same with a concert, it's a situation of maybe eight o'clock in the evening and only then. It will never be again. Communication from the darkened stage Edgar: We like to go on stage in a dark situation, without any lights and things like that. Going on stage and sitting behind the instruments and starting to play and then going off again, and not saying anything, you know, that's the image that we have. But now I think it's not enough and I don't know how we could work it out, but I think we must do some other things to get a better communication. Peter: When we first went on stage in darkness it was such a new situation for the audience that they really got into what we mean. But now, maybe it's become, 'Oh yeah, Tangerine Dream, they play in the dark.' They know when they go there what to expect. It's much too predictable. Edgar: The audience at the Royal Albert Hall was really marvelous. It doesn't matter if the audience is a bit noisy because we start mostly with synthetic sounds from the synthesizer so we can always integrate what they are doing. After a couple of minutes they come down, they will be very quiet. At the start of our second piece we used a tape loop from the Rainbow concert of people handclapping and whistling. We tried to show the people that they are a part of the music and there is a feedback from them to us. Christoph: Sometimes I get very angry if we finish a piece and one second later a big noise is in the audience. Maybe we could find out a system to keep the audience to one minute's silence. Maybe with a very low tone, and the people understand 'Wait a minute', to keep that impression of that piece. Edgar: What we had at the Albert Hall was what you could call a satisfied situation where the audience was saying, you know, 'Come on again, play again, we want more'. So, I ask myself why is it that they want more? 'Cause it's not a rock concert, you know, and we really want to know why they want more. We can't ask them, we can't go with a tape recorder and a mike to everybody and ask them what they felt -- That's not possible, so we have to test them with another form of communication. We've thought that the first step could be to change the whole environment of a concert. OK, that was the first step, and it was working about thirty to forty per cent. But now we have to think about a new form of communication. Peter: Maybe we won't play together on the stage any more. Maybe one on the stage and one in this corner and one in that corner. I'm just suggesting, maybe something where we can get to the point of what Tangerine Dream is about, again to the people. When we started to do music it was a smaller audience. When we started having bigger audiences, we realised that the bigger the audience, the more the distance was to the audience. Now we try to get back to the audience, very, very close together. Edgar: Everybody who wants to be creative, who wants to put out a lot of things from himself, he tries to find his special way to explain it, first to himself, what he wants. Because only to think about it is not enough. I must work it out and see what happens, and then I have the possibility to have feedback. The future lies ahead Edgar: I believe that the next time we have a concert in England it will be a completely new experience, because to repeat old things is one part we don't like. Christoph: Maybe we find out some new systems for rehearsal, especially our personal interaction. Then maybe that will mean we have to play with the lights on to see everything we do, so that our music is maybe just a thing for the ears. Edgar: I want to work more on the way to change sounds. You know, it can be boring for me to play one and a half hours of only Mellotron and organ, so I have to learn a lot of things about how to change sounds, especially on the Mellotron, to work out new technical possibilities with the Mellotron. It's one of my main instruments ... Christoph: I'm working with traditional instruments like the harpsichord for my solo album. Then a new thing, an instrument called a speech synthesizer which can produce vocals and consonants in a way that you can synthesize your own speech. I'm not interested to make sentences in a semantic way. I want to use speech only as an instrument. On my next album I have a rhythm programmer because I use pulses from one sequencer to another at the same time, so that I have several different rhythms in it. I can programme it up to maybe fifty bars but I can make it return when I want, maybe after one bar, after three, or after fifty bars. I can make a notation for it and then I play it from the notation, with pins and notes and switches, how many notes. For example, I have a scale, C, D, E, and so on, and I take C, D and another C and in the next bar I switch off the second C and take A on it, and in this way I can get together any melodic line I want. Edgar: The main change for the future will be that we have to work much, much harder. With the group it means working harder on a new project and working much harder for ourselves. I don't know if it happens all the time in other groups, but I think that success could make you very lazy. When you've used two hands for half a year, then after a couple of success situations you are only using one hand and maybe one year later you would be using only two fingers. You know what I mean? And so we found out that we must work harder than we did in the past. Peter: We weren't lazy two years ago. It was just a part of the music. We are not the group to go into a rehearsal and start to do some sounds and tunes. What we did and intended to do was to go on stage and play what we felt. You know, if you have done that for 3/2, no four years, up to now, then it starts to get a little dishonest because you know each other very much and you get in that way, lazy, because you repeat what you know. It sounds quite good, and the people like it because they have heard it not so often. But you lose the feeling of the tension that you played the first time. Edgar: We have been working on the new things for the tour that we have to make of America, not that it's an important gig or an important tour, each concert for us is important, whether it's the deepest countryside of England or Germany or France or Carnegie Hall in New York, it's all the same for us, there's no difference. For us it's a great feeling we need before each concert that we join the stage and really don't know which way we have to go. We only know the three persons, one by one, and that's all we know. It's really good to have an open field, without any barriers. It's inspiration, just inspiration. Based on extracts from conversations in London and Berlin between April 1974 and July 1975. Transcript (C) Copyright, 1975, Karl Dallas. ----------------------------------------------------- DREAMING FOR THE RECORD An Analysis of Phaedra and Rubycon by Karl Dallas with comments by Christoph Franke. Tangerine Dream have mixed feelings about recording. On the one hand they feel that the necessity of selecting material which can survive repeated listenings goes against the spontaneity which they feel is so important. But the very fact of selection offers them an opportunity of presenting a distillation of the best that they can do. They compromise by performing most of their recorded music live, keeping the use of techniques that would only be possible in the studio, such as overdubs, to a bare minimum, though Christoph Franke is already dreaming of using the voltage controlled, computer directed mixing desk at the new Manor Studio as a programmable rhythm machine, its faders rising and falling to a previously predetermined pattern -- something that I'll bet Helios didn't have in mind when they designed it. In the following analyses, the judgements are mine, and the quoted comments are from Christoph Franke, but I would like to acknowledge Christoph's help in sorting out who is playing what. Phaedra Side one: Phaedra In classical Greek literature, Phaedra was a lady who fell in love with her stepson. The story was translated into a French classic by Racine and has recently been rewritten in an Indian colonial setting for the London stage. No attempt is made on the record to follow the story with any kind of musical programme, though Edgar Froese once told me that he had the poetic atmosphere of the play very much in mind when they were composing the music. The very slow beginning is in fact a very rapid sequence of notes from Franke on the Moog. 'It is a very soft, slow, cloudy beginning, starting very outside of the room, made with echo plates, and then it comes into the room a little bit, going drier and drier, and the electric piano from Peter makes some slow counterpoints to it.' As the sequence is slowed down a rhythm pattern becomes evident and the exact notes are perceptible. Baumann's piano notes and chords become more and more bell-like. As the pitch and speed of the rhythm rises and goes more into echo, Froese enters on voice-tape Mellotron playing very high chords and the rhythm goes into tape delay, doubling the apparent speed of the rhythm as every note is repeated. The rhythmic pattern is taken over by Froese, on guitar. 'Over this I made some glass noises with the Moog.' The Moog takes back the rhythm sequence and simplifies it down to three tones, to which Franke adds notes one by one, while Froese plays phased long chords on Mellotron strings-tapes. Franke adds a second rhythm sequence, three times as quick as the main rhythm, while he overdubs a similar sequence on organ. This is the first overdub to be heard so far. The basic rhythm reasserts itself once again, with washes of phased string chords from the Mellotron, and then a high, crying note from Baumann's flute, jumping octaves, up and down, while the intensity of the Revox echo delay on the sequence is changed constantly, as well as the exact sequence of the notes. Very low bass chords on the Moog underpin the sequence which changes pitch and rises to a climax, while Baumann's flute notes sail in and out of the mix, together with bottleneck guitar sounds from Froese. Baumann's synthi has added a percussive pattern of white noise sounds in a similar rhythm to the sequence on the Moog, which rises higher and higher as the colour of Baumann's pattern is altered. The rhythm rises to a climax and Froese comes in again with very high voice-tapes on the Mellotron, while the rhythm hits its highest point and repeats over and over. Froese resolves the climax with final Mellotron chords and a long beat on the tam-tam from Franke. 'That's not a gong, it's a tam-tam like Stockhausen used in 'Kontakte'. It has an unvoiced sound. A gong has a little hill in the middle and that gives it a voice. Then I try to make the same sound like the tam-tam with generators and filters which is lying now under everything. A tam-tam has a decay but I want to hold the sound so I made it on the Moog. And I change the colour of the noise sound with a filter bank, which I can do by pressing a key. Otherwise I would need a whole bank of different natural instruments to produce these sounds.' Baumann's phased piano interjects over these basic gong sounds, and then he produces a new sound on the synthi which Franke describes as 'a very spacey sound, like a dog in the desert, which I like very much'. Froese's voice tapes sing out over more Moog gong sounds, changing in pitch as Baumann's dog noises return, followed by his organ and heavy string chords from Froese replace the voice, with electric piano chords. The piece moves to a slow, almost heavy conclusion. Side Two 'The first piece is mainly a Mellotron piece from Edgar, with some added wind noise from Peter's synthesizer. I don't play anything on that piece. The second piece we made all together and the third piece was made by Peter with very long and different tape delays, played with this little wood flute, a recorder, like the young people are learning at school' Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 'This first thing from Edgar is a very harmonic piece, starting with wind noise. They are mainly minor chords and I get the impression of going walking into a very empty countryside, in the dark maybe.' The sound of the Mellotron and the wind noise are both phased, moving their presence about the stereo image. Later this phasing is controlled by a generator which creates a flutter on the Mellotron sound. After a few Fender Rhodes piano chords from Baumann, the Mellotron rises to its climax and subsides into silence, the wind noise rises in power to be joined by twittering voltage controlled oscillator sounds on a VCS3 synthesizer. Movements of a Visionary Baumann begins by feeding his voice into a synthesizer, to which high-pitched noises are added, joined after a while by a fast sequence of notes on Franke's Moog. 'It is several generators given into a ring modulator which multiples the frequencies and you get anharmonic overtones such as you have in all percussive instruments like a glockenspiel or xylophone or a vibraphone or gongs or drums. It means that the steps from one overtone and the next are not in a proportion like one to two to three to four. If you hit a glass you get anharmonic sound. It is the difference between a violin and a church bell. It sounds here a little like a marimba.' The sequence is echoed by Baumann's synthi and organ, and Froese plays very high notes on Lowry organ. Baumann interjects echoed chords on a Davoli piano. The whole thing seems to carry on much longer than the amount of creativity merits, even though it is actually quite short. 'In fact I don't like this side very much because it's not as well done as it could be. It was our first recording in England and we couldn't take as much time as we liked, The next record was much better because we took more time. 'The thing is that we use the complete studio as an instrument, so it is not possible for us to go into the studio and play only pieces we have rehearsed before. We make the concept and composings there in the studio. For instance, the mixing for us is a real creative thing and the mixing board is an instrument with which you control the dynamics, which are an important part of music.' Sequent C' 'That's just Peter playing. It's like a fugue made with a very long delay so after maybe 20 seconds he can play a new melody line over the old line. It goes a little in the Terry Riley way of producing music which I like, in fact, very much. I like this piece very much. I think it's a very beautiful end for this record.' Rubycon Part I The beginning is Baumann on Fender Rhodes piano, 'playing very lonely notes', with bell-like Moog tones from Franke, joined by an oboe sound from Froese's Mellotron. All three lines come closer and closer together, but there are quiet spaces between the notes. 'It's the first time we have put breaks between the notes, but it's very important, so you can get your brain clear for what's coming.' A very high melody line on Franke's Moog comes over the long, slow notes, is joined by tapes of mixed voices on the Mellotron with glissandi from Baumann. The Moog melody returns and Froese changes to strings tapes for a brief section of trumpet-like tune and strings. 'Peter has some very nice voltage-controlled bits with the synthi. Sometimes he comes very near with his glissandi, through the well tempered melody line. I like it very much if there are two scales of notes together -- a well-tempered scale and a not-tempered scale producing, like birds, quarter notes, like Schoenberg. 'This part gives me the impression of a very big river, at the end of the river coming into a big sea, the ocean. It's very liquid.' Wind noise is followed by a cymbal-like tone created by a cluster of 20 or 30 notes very close together and a very low bass, with feelings of fuzz in it. 'It's a little meditation tone.' After a rhythm sequence, Froese plays the main theme on the strings followed by a remarkable duet between Baumann's Fender Rhodes and Froese's oboe-tapes, in which they swap phrases and half phrases. The rhythm continues, very ostinato, 'a repetitive rhythm like the Negroes make it, very often', Baumann switches to organ and the duet continues. The rhythm doubles and Franke adds an overdubbed piano tape loop: a backwards tape is joined to a forwards tape so that the sound comes to its attack and then dies away. The rhythm becomes very complex, with Moog tones and snare-drum sounds, plus overdubbed piano, 'prepared' with pieces of wood stuck between the strings to give a more percussive effect. Over this Froese plays chords and Baumann plays a very high melody line on organ. A change in the rhythm is overlaid by clashing sounds from Baumann's voltage controlled oscillator, played over a very fast-running Leslie speaker and very long echo delay. Froese plays a reprise of the original oboe melody while the decay of the snare drum sound becomes longer and longer so that the beat disappears. Later Baumann plays grand piano over a Leslie. 'In this piece I think all the melodies, rhythms and all the sounds are much, much more complex and much better than on Phaedra. I think it is a step forward, this record.' The piece ends with a long sitar-like sound created by scraping the strings of a grand piano with a piece of metal, recording it, cutting off the attack at the beginning of the note, and playing it back on multi-track at different speeds, giving several different pitches. The rhythm becomes simpler and simpler, moving from three to two to one single tone, and the piano loops are faded across to each other, making chords, slowly shifting. Part II 'The second side is beginning with the sound of contemporary music, a mixture of a gong sound and very complex glissandi sounds made with several synthis, about seven different glissandi, three synchronised on the Moog which is very easy to do, and other made with other generators going up and down at different speeds and between different intervals. So it is like the pile of a carpet, a carpet of glissandi. 'I like this beginning because it is very different from everything we've made before. It is really a piece of timbre music with lines so close together that you cannot separate them.' The glissandi section is followed by Moog sounds recorded on Mellotron tapes and played by Froese. Baumann's Leslie organ goes to a fundamental major C chord which is picked up by a very fast, almost subsonic bass rhythm. The very percussive rhythm is in fact two sequencers, and Franke is switching from one to the other, changing notes in each sequencer as he changes. 'I make accents on several notes by playing the filter which makes the timbre higher.' Over 'clouds of chords' on the Mellotron and Leslie organ and synthi and Moog rhythm, Froese overdubs a backwards tape of guitar played with echo. The rhythm has changed to a deep heartbeat tempo, which fades and then returns at a higher pitch, more prominently, under Baumann's fast, staccato organ. A twittering sound is created by oscillators controlling other oscillators. 'It is frequency modulation, controlling one tone with the wave of another. That's what the birds can do with their voice, changing the tone so quickly that you get a noise sound from it.' The side moves towards its end with concrete sounds of sea recorded on the South coast of England, played on two tape machines with varying speeds so there is phasing, changing the location of the sound. 'This technique is important for the work that Edgar did with the artificial head on his solo album, 'Aqua', because with phasing you can change where the sound comes from, not only from side to side, like ordinary stereo, but also from front to back. 'You have only two channels for hearing, so with stereo you can hear everything. Quadraphonics is only a game. It's not really good, only pseudo-space.' The piece ends with a relaxed sequence for three organs and flute Mellotron, long, gentle chords with the flute flying at almost stratospheric level, fading like the flute in Debussy's 'Afternoon of a Faun'. 'This is music that we would like to perform in churches, all evening, without rhythms. Maybe each one of us is playing in a different place in the church, and the natural reverb makes it a very smooth sound. 'We bought a generator to make power so that we can make that music outside, in total silence, in forests maybe.' Discography Issued in Germany by Ohr-Musik, Berlin: Electronic Meditation (1970) Alpha Centauri (1971) released in UK as Polydor Super 2383314 Zeit -double album (1972) Atem (1973) released in UK as Polydor Super 2383297 Released in UK by Virgin Records Phaedra (1974) V2010 Aqua - Edgar Froese solo album (1974) V2016 Rubycon (1975) V2025 Epsilon In Malaysian Pale - Edgar Froese solo album (1975) TCV 2040 ----------------------------------------------------- THE NATIONAL SOUND OF GERMAN ROCK 'Kraut Rock' is a meaningless genre invented by xenophobic critics, claims Gerald O'Connell. In fact, Germany is the most important centre of musical experimentation in the seventies. If you have prejudices to shed, prepare to shed them now... For the past five years or so there has been a gradually increasing awareness of German rock in Britain and America, but the process has been a slow, and in some rather unfortunate cases, painful one, The generally accepted idea is that German rock is at best brilliant but rather cold and uninvolved, and at worst gloomily derivative of the superior Anglo-American product. Both of these views ignore the most important point of all: German musicians have grown up in a social and cultural environment which is unique, and which has shaped their ideas in such a way as to create a large body of highly original and worthwhile music, What i want to do here is to examine that environment and perhaps establish some of its main connections with the music. The most startling aspect of the native German scene is the extent to which it is fragmented. There are no established musical centres like London, New York or LA where musicians congregate around recording facilities and large audiences. Any list of major bands reveals an equally long catalogue of place-names with which they have remained in association over their whole life-span, The result has been an almost total absence of cross-fertilization of styles or any prevailing musical orthodoxy. Bands like Amon Duul II in Munich, Can in Cologne and Tangerine Dream in West Berlin have developed more or less in isolation, and their music has taken a course directed more by the logical development of certain individuals' artistic ideals than anything else. This lack of elitism is a barrier in some ways -- nobody is likely to get into a series of German bands because x reminds him of y and so on. However, it does cultivate originality and avoid the mindless bandwagoning endemic to Britain and America: psychedelic rock, country-rock, glam-rock. What's next, Kraut-rock? No chance. Of course, the other great impetus for this particularly insidious characteristic of rock music is a commercial one -- it simply pays well to follow the market leaders. This force too is mostly missing in German rock. Those who copy British or American bands tend to be ignored completely, and nobody of any originality is making enough money to attract a spate of imitators. The mass audiences of German youth are still largely wary of their own culture -- the shattering psychological aftermath of World War II in West Germany is still felt in areas like Music, where it is considered more wholesome to import Anglo-American developments lock, stock and barrel. A number of members of Amon Duul II have admitted to me that they see little hope of financial success in Germany, no matter what they do. The result is that they have played the music they enjoy and feel to be most valuable, and then attempted to sell it outside Germany. This situation has also meant an absence of any large-scale live audience for German bands. Consequently they have not been under the kind of pressure to 'entertain' that we take for granted in Britain and America -- nobody has ever had to stop to bother about whether anyone can dance to their music (Germans are too reserved for that sort of thing anyway), and records rather than live appearances are the accepted medium. It is fairly easy to see, therefore, why so many bands seem to be operating on the technological frontiers of rock. The Kraftwerk/ Neu/ Cluster/ Harmonia family of groups -- the two members of Neu had been in Kraftwerk previously, and when they split up, Michael Rother joined the two members of Cluster and the band became known as Harmonia -- have consistently created music rooted in electronics and based on machine rhythms, and are a good example of this tendency! In fact, this type of approach often appears to be the sole common thread running through German rock -- a fascination for pure sound and its electronic manipulation in music is still an important factor. To see why this should still be the case in Germany, while it has been considered passe elsewhere, it is necessary to go back to the contrasting situations of the late sixties. West Germany in 1967 saw no 'Summer of Love'. The bland consumer culture created by the post-war economic miracle was an absorbing preoccupation in a nation anxious to forget its recent past, and far too many young people were caught up in its delights for such wild notions as 'flower power' and 'alternative lifestyles' to gain much grip on their imagination. The system had its critics, but they were few and isolated. Typically based in universities and art schools, they regarded the majority of rock uncritically imported by their contemporaries with justifiable suspicion: it all looked like more garbage from the capitalist conveyor belt. When, in 1968, Europe was swept by student unrest, these strange little outposts found themselves in the vanguard of a widespread change in attitudes. More significantly, in their midst there appeared a series of musicians determined to carry their political commitment into the musical sphere. This movement was never discredited in the way that the Anglo-American hippie phenomenon was: it even had its successes -- the downfall of the de Gaulle government in France was attributed in large part to the initial student disturbances of 1968. By contrast, in England and America, the forward-looking musical developments of the late sixties have largely been cast aside in favour of a gradually imploding artistic form. We have fled enormous resilience and sense of musical purpose which is finally beginning to pay dividends. There is such an enormous variety of music now coming out of West Germany that none of the characterizations of 'Krautrock' which have been made in Britain and America are at all adequate. On the one hand there are a number of jazz-rock groups of varying degrees of originality, the most prominent being Embryo led by Christian Burchard. They have made a series of albums (two featuring veteran jazzman Mal Waltron) of an extremely high standard, which, had they been made by an English or American group, would have attracted a good deal of attention. As it is, they are still unknown. In another direction there are ballads like Jane and Grobschnitt (both on Brain-Metronome) who sound very much like British hard-rock bands, but with a higher level of composition and musicianship. Jane in particular show a sense of dynamics and swing not usually associated with continental bands, and their first album remains an all-time classic. Disproving the cliche that German rock is humourless and over-intellectual, Guru-Guru's albums have been consciously ingenuous in their own meandering sort of way. Enormous brass band riffs degenerate rapidly into acid-distorted Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley interpretations; but behind everything there is always a great sense of fun in their music. Both Jane and Guru-Guru have worked with producer/engineer Conny Plank at some time, and his influence on German rock has been tremendous. Plank's ability to get a crisp, immediate sound on disc is unequalled anywhere - but he does not make this his sole objective. Working with groups of various styles and aims he has rarely failed to use advanced studio techniques in order to enhance the musical end product. His views on his own role in the recording process are highly instructive: 'It is my conviction that every music has its own sound landscape and its own sound weather, and it is the task and duty of the producer to feel and consider this very special climate.' It is this willingness to adjust his approach to the needs and requirements of the bands he is working with that makes Plank's work so important in Germany. There is no such thing as the 'Conny Plank sound' and this is deliberate. He is scathing in his criticisms of developments in recording outside Germany -- the progress made in the sixties impressed him, but then, 'this development degenerated into an empty mannerism which turned the sound of even good bands into insensitive music.' And here perhaps he has encapsulated the difference between what is happening in Germany and events elsewhere: there is still a belief in individuality and experimentation for its own sake, coupled with a healthy attitude to the future of rock, rather than a necrophiliac obsession with its past. For my own part I believe that this attitude is sufficiently ingrained to survive the vagaries of financial success. Hopefully, the musicians I have mentioned (and many others besides) will get the chance to prove me right. ----------------------------------------------------- TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT TEARS The instruments that make the music discussed by Chris Simmons. Future generations of music students will surely regard the synthesizer as the instrument of the seventies. Although electronic keyboard prototypes had been designed years earlier, it was only in the seventies that the boundaries and conceptions of rock music were greatly expanded by the widespread acceptance and use of the new keyboards. Of the many exponents of electronic music currently advancing the conceptions of sound, Tangerine Dream are one of the most prominent. Their own success story is dealt with elsewhere: here we concern ourselves with the workings of their chosen instruments and, with the three members handling some four keyboards each, the total array is a formidable one. Technically, the proficient keyboard player can learn to play the synthesizer without difficulty, but along with its advantages it brings several drawbacks. While the sound of the electronic keyboard is quite innovative, its capabilities remove all the old conceptions of music making. The player and audience must both learn to accept totally new modes of expression. With such new sounds, then, it is gratifying to find the internal workings of the synthesizer suitably complex. Fronting the T. Dream line-up are the Moog, the VCS3 and the Mellotron, a potent combination more than capable of providing their unique sound. The original idea behind the design of the Moog, so named after American founder Dr. Robert Moog, came from the workings of the already established electric instruments. The guitar, for instance, functions by taking an acoustically produced note, and changing it via the pick-up into electrical energy and then back into a different sound, perhaps louder and with different tonal qualities through a speaker. The idea for the synthesizer was to dispense with the acoustic origin of the sound, and use in its place an electrical component capable of transmitting the same characteristics in an electrical current as the magnetic pick-up. This component was the oscillator, and forms the basis of the Moog. Varying amounts of electrical energy can be passed through the oscillator, determining the intensity of the current, and thus the final note. So, almost by itself, the little oscillator facilitates simple production of truly electronic music. The current produced by the oscillator can be turned into the sound of a certain pitch, and so much more voltage will produce the note a tone or semi-tone above, and less current similarly gives out the lower notes. Thus middle C on the synthesizer keyboard, although finally playing middle C through the speaker, is simply the tab providing the amount of current needed to make the sound of middle C. So far, so good. However, when another key is pressed down, our overworked oscillator receives not two separate voltages, but the sum of the two voltages. The resultant note would be well out of tune with everything else, with the consequence that the oscillator is by necessity monophonic. Still, the oscillator can be additionally controlled from another source, to give it attack and decay for example, and the tone can be altered by means of filters and other components which can themselves be manually adjusted like the tone controls on any amplifier. For the production and adjustment of the note, the synthesizer basically has three circuits; tone sources, tone modifiers and control devices. The tone sources, as we have seen, derive from the oscillator with its minor subsidiary noise generators. The tone modifiers include several filters and modulators, controlled in most cases by a sample and hold circuit. This is the facility so often used by the showman who wants to impress his audience by leaving his machine to 'play by itself' while he walks away from it. It is obviously necessary to tune the oscillators to the same pitch as the other instruments in the band, and this has been one of the primary problems in synthesizer technology. For T. Dream, using so many electronic keyboards, keeping in tune throughout a gig has been their major problem, expressed so often by band spokesman Edgar Froese. 'We have tuned up half an hour before the start,' he said recently, 'only to find that temperature changes had forced the instruments out of tune.' Nowadays any tendency towards temperament on the part of the components is minimised at the manufacturing stage by a simple survival of the fittest system. The completed instrument is left to run for some hours, and anything that can't take it is removed and replaced, and the test repeated until the instrument is stable. Unfortunately this means that for the components to be stable the machine must be given some time to warm up. A fine tuner control allows final adjustments to be made if necessary, and the concert is ready to begin. The VCS3, also extensively played by Froese, has since its inception in 1969 been one of the most popular synthesizer models. Its attractive features include compactness combined with versatility, and, like the Moog, is capable of producing the most unusual sounds and effects so vital to the T. Dream music. With the same basic oscillator principle, the VCS3 features attack, decay and reverberation controls among others, and, while the panel looks like the flight deck of Apollo 6, the instrument can turn out noises ranging from simulated drum ruffles to vowel-sounding coughs. The third main instrument in the band's line up, already well used by such exponents as Tony McPhee and Patrick Moraz, is the mellotron. Though the mellotron sounds are as exciting in their own way as the synthesizers', it operates on rather different principles. Originally designed by another American called Chamberlain, the 400, the most popular model, contains 35 pre-recorded tapes each with three parallel tracks. The depression of a key causes one of these tapes to run. The normal sounds on these tapes are flute, three violins and a cello, although a tape of any instrument can be installed to particular requirements, A track selector chooses a sound, and on adjacent tracks the machine facilitates a mix of two tapes. The single keyboard model includes volume, tone and track controls, with a patch controller for tuning and special effects, plus the swell foot pedal. It is a sure sign of the rapid advancement in the electronic keyboard field that Mellotronics (responsible for manufacture and distribution) have recently introduced a new two-keyboard model, incorporating 40 tapes mounted on movable and interchangeable heads. Whether you like their music or not, the members of Tangerine Dream are certainly fine and adventurous musicians and the combination of such players and such machines should certainly give the current music something to sit up and listen to very carefully. From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Longest Live rock track > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > > > Actually Synthhtnys, > > My pal 'Orch' is speaking of the live version on Song Remains the > Same. BTB, it is 26:53. Thanks Steve you solved the mystery for me , now I can collect on my bet . Best Regards Carl ' Orch ' From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@xxxxxxx.xxxx Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 5:02 am Subject: Re: Cathedral concerts > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hey, remember that Cathedral thread sometime ago? > I said that I would get a photo of Rio's Metropilitan Cathedral, but I > forgot... ok, I found the homepage! You can go to > http://www.catedral.com.br , there's a nice photo of the cathedral on this > site! Now just imagine TD playing inside that pyramid. > > gfj. Thanks Gustavo, the photo is interesting. Here goes my contribution: I went to Coventry in 1992 and to the cathedral, where TD played the broadcast Ricochet material. I have to qualify my statement a bit, that I actually did not go into the cathedral but was only peeping from outside, as I was then a student spending most of the money at the end of a 3-month Euro trip....got to save the entrance fee...anyway, the photo is from a cheap postcard I got. I should have another diff. postcard but I must find it and also access to a scanner... Did anybody ever take some photos of interesting concert venues?? Enjoy! Jeffrey > Gustavo Ferreira Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavfj@n... > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@xxxxxxx.xxxx Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 5:07 am Subject: Re: Cathedral concerts Oops! Sorry the mailing list somehow removed the scan. I am asking Joe to include it on the onelist file. Please be a bit patient.... Jeffrey From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 6:35 am Subject: Re: Rubycon and float tanks? In a message dated 22-10-1999 1:42:34 PM EST, james.e.owens@b... writes: << for almost 20 years. From the float tanks in college...> > ARE YOU NUTS! Haven't you seen _Altered States_? Do you know what hallucinogens and float tanks can do to a person? James >> Do you mean that it really works? I thought it would be more like that 'Simpsons' episode. I've been cheated. Phil N. Obligatory TD stuff: I just snapped up 'Architecture In Motion' - why has Miramar been holding out on this one for so long, since it was recorded in 1998? And why didn't it show up on TDI, since TDI was in full swing by then? From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Lawry Simm' > [Ricochet part 2] > My God. Do you know, I once saw a band perform a cover version of this track (you know who >you are!) and it was a fantastic interpretation. I would dearly love to hear that > one day (I know that it was recorded). I can confirm that the cover version Lawry mentions here is absolute awesome, I like it even better than the original which is amongst my fave bits TD ever did! Best Regards Jens From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 9:45 am Subject: Re: D:Live [Ricochet] In a message dated 10/24/99 9:43:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jpeschke@h... writes: << can confirm that the cover version Lawry mentions here is absolute awesome, I like it even better than the original which is amongst my fave bits TD ever did! Best Regards Jens >> * Well then, Who was it? Poly From: 'Greg' From: 'koulos' From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 12:35 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Ricochet] Just a few comments concerning Ricochet part 2. I might be a sequencer besotten nut who sucked that bit way too often over the last 18 years and even partly agree with Greg's comments about the harshness of its sound - but then Rubycon is pretty lo-fi sounding compared to Ricochet part 2 - there's not much going on above the 10 KHz mark - frequency wise - almost everything around 0.5 - 1.5 Khz is way too loud in the mix, IMO. BUT even after 18 years I still think those multi layered varied sequences (with loads of overdubs that can't be done live in one take), that almost changes every second bar are the dogs bollocks. There's hardly any better sequencer work done by TD let alone other artists to date. > Greg H. (who finds particular enjoyment twidleing knobs in a program called > Rebirth--after knowing the basics of a sequencer, the mystery of it fades > and I can now judge it on basis of music and not wow cool--how'd they do > that? > Easy they Tempo'd it up, twidled the tune down, added more decay and of > course tripled the delay--well maybe in the 80's it was this easy! =o) Well, fiddling with Rebirth surely helps understanding as well as knowing how do use reverb and delay in sequences. I'm fully aware of what you can archive with Rebirth, ARP*8, SQ 303 (two other software sequencers/multilayered ARPeggios programs) and hardware sequencers such as the Doepfer MAQ 16/3, the MAM SQ 16, the RM1x1, the ARP sequencer to name but a few (*). Still the overall developing and variations let alone the usage of multi layering *with* key changes (a,c,e) shown in Ricochet part 2 aren't easy to chum out especially back in those days. Hence there's still a lot of respect and love left even after 18 years! All IMHO, of course. Compared to the fantape recordings of TD live gigs around that time where I often find the sequencer work pretty lame yet boring (Air Sculpture for example recently put TD live to shame with a brilliant live improvised sequencer stonker during their e-live performance a few weeks ago) - Ricochet part 2 adds ice to the cake, IMO. Tasty, tasty. :-) It would be interesting to know how Paul Ellis (D@T...) and Marcel Engels (FSP) rate the sequencer work of Ricochet 2 in particular. Best Regards Jens (*) check Kubusschnitt's 'The Case' and the new wEirD CD 'A different kind of normal' on the NeuHarmony label - I'm not talking my arse off. From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 12:39 pm Subject: Re: amused to death From: koulos > rogger waters amused to death > > a great album!! Fully agree. I even bought the gold edition of this one as it's one of the best recordings ever done (if you like Roger Waters voice - that is), IMO. Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18599 Re: amused to death Craig Chambers Sun 10/24/1999 1 KB 18617 Re: amused to death EMC Holland Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 1:02 pm Subject: KS Circle Free CD Guys Just surfed onto the KS website and a free CD is offered to those who subscribe to the KS Circle zine. For details go to: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/trailer.htm Jeffrey From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 1:44 pm Subject: Re: amused to death >Fully agree. I even bought the gold edition of this one >as it's one of the best recordings ever done (if you like Roger Waters >voice - that is), IMO. > Granted, Rog's voice was a little rough on the AtD album (I too gave the regular issue to my brother so I would have an excuse to get the Gold SBM version), but his performance on the recent tour more than made up for it. He was rock solid. I heard a comment that he will rarely talk at all while touring, and only in a whisper, so that he can save his voice for the performances. If you want to hear one of Pink Floyd's best performances since '81 check out one of the many tour tapes that are floating around. From: 'marc todd' Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 11:35 pm Subject: Cymbiosis Hi Everyone, I came across an interesting item yesterday. It's a cd/magazine called Cymbiosis. It comes in a double jewel case but has one cd and a jacket sized magazine in the other. The 'issue' I found is Vol. 2 No. 1 and came out sometime in 1988. The cd has two TD tracks, Canyon Carver and Canyon Voices. The magazine has two articles on TD, one about the making of Canyon Dreams, and the other a history of the band, 15 pages total with a few B&W pictures and quotes from Edgar and Paul. There is also articles and music by Pete Bardens, Bill Bruford and several others. There is also a fan review of a Patrick O'Hearn gig that Edgar attended. The Magazine and cd are in good shape, except the first few seconds of track one Westward Ho by Pete Bardens skips a little. If anyone is interested, I will offer this for a trade. I'm not looking for anything in particular, but maybe there will be some that strikes my fancy. I guess it's ok to post this here since this is not a bootleg, right? Email me off list please. My computer seems to only want to work some of the time, so it may be a couple of days before I can respond, so sorry for any delay. Cheers! Marc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18601 Re: Cymbiosis Richard Ford Sun 10/24/1999 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Cymbiosis Hi I'm afraid I don't have anything to trade, but what would you want for it. Richard >From: 'marc todd' > > >Hi Everyone, > >I came across an interesting item yesterday. It's a cd/magazine called >Cymbiosis. It comes in a double jewel case but has one cd and a jacket sized >magazine in the other. The 'issue' I found is Vol. 2 No. 1 and came out >sometime in 1988. The cd has two TD tracks, Canyon Carver and Canyon Voices. >The magazine has two articles on TD, one about the making of Canyon Dreams, >and the other a history of the band, 15 pages total with a few B&W pictures >and quotes from Edgar and Paul. There is also articles and music by Pete >Bardens, Bill Bruford and several others. There is also a fan review of a >Patrick O'Hearn gig that Edgar attended. The Magazine and cd are in good >shape, except the first few seconds of track one Westward Ho by Pete Bardens >skips a little. If anyone is interested, I will offer this for a trade. I'm >not looking for anything in particular, but maybe there will be some that >strikes my fancy. I guess it's ok to post this here since this is not a >bootleg, right? Email me off list please. My computer seems to only want to >work some of the time, so it may be a couple of days before I can respond, >so sorry for any delay. >Cheers! >Marc > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in >your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail >to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > -- Richard Ford From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 6:56 pm Subject: RE: D:Live [Ricochet] > From: 'Lawry Simm' > This just rocks. The intro is great. I think it really evokes a sense > of drama, and when that bass line starts at about 1:50 shortly > followed by the organ, then percussion, then treated guitar, I feel > tears coming to my eyes. This is compositionally excellent. The > sequence that starts at about 8:20 is fantastic too... not sure what > synth it is coming from, but the timbre is wonderful. And at 10:45 we > are cooking now. My amp is cranked up to number 11 listening to this. > These were the golden days before DAT's or midi files and computers. > Everything here was manipulated on the fly. Check out 12:40 to 13:10. > Absolutely magnificent. Probably the best 30 seconds TD have ever > performed live. Oh to have been on stage, a part of this. I agree, the first track of Richochet is superb. In my opinion, it hints at some elements of Sorcerer, but maybe that's just in my mind. Actually, Ricochet Pt. 1, Sorcerer, and parts of Force Majeure remind me a bit of 'fantasy music' in the vein of, oh, say Bo Hansson. (Does anyone here know of him?) One thing I must object to -- golden days, shmolden days. You know what I'm talking about. Technology, or lack thereof, does not a musician or composer make. I would say that TD may have taken many more chances at that time then they do these days, but that's a choice they've made independently from DATs, MIDI files, or computers. If they wanted to, they could unplug all their computers, digital sequencers (BTW, THEY DON'T USE DATS!!!!!), and the like, and just play a few of their digital keyboards in the same way they did analog gear in the 70's. They *choose* to utilize computers, digital sequencers, and MIDI files to their advantage to present the music they like to present to audiences. Be thankful they don't just techno-groove to incredibly irritating dance loops like the bazillions of wanna-be EM artists all over everywhere. MP3.com's a scary place. ;) Anyway, sorry for rambling! Take care folks, Jared P. S. Ricochet Pt. 2 isn't my favorite, but I like it a lot. I think you need to give it a few more listens, Greg! __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Gary Davis Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 7:19 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream and other electronica Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here are a few excerpts for Tangerine Dream and electronic music fans. Starting with forthcoming imports to be found at : Pre-Orders/ Import Vinyl TANGERINE DREAM-BACK CATALOG: ALPHA CENTAURI LP ATEM LP ELECTRONIC MEDITATION LP ZEIT LP Vinyl reissues of the German electronic/ new age pioneer's first four albums, respectively released in 1971, 1973, 1970 & 1972. KRAFTWERK-TOUR DE FRANCE 12' Single for groundbreaking 1983 cut by Germany's godfathers of electronic music. The 12' sports two versions of 'Tour De France' (Kling Klang Analog Mix and Remix Francois K). VANGELIS-REPRISE 1990-1999 Collection of the Greek new age music pioneer's finest recordings in the '90s. And recently released imports at : KRAFTWERK-KRAFTWERK 2 Reissue of the second album by one of the world's most influential electronic acts of all-time. Originally released in 1972 on Phillips. Six tracks. We have a lot of new and forthcoming releases on our Voiceprint page including Steve Jolliffe/Invitation: The Music Of Jolliffe - Steve's career began in 1967, when he formed a group with Rick Davies called The Joint, they evolved into 70's supergroup Supertramp. By 1969 he had been accepted by the reknowned Berlin Konservatorium, it was there that he met Edgar Froese and Klaus Schulze and toured Germany as one of the earliest incarnations of the legendary Tangerine Dream. He then joined blues/rock band Steamhammer who toured Europe extensively with the likes of Pink Floyd and The Who. After leaving the group in 1975,he pursued a new found interest in film and tv music. His music continues to be used world - wide in these areas. He briefly rejoined Tangerine Dream in 1978, recorded the album Cyclone and played to crowds of up to 100,000 on a massive European tour. He then set about establishing his solo career, releasing many solo albums and collaborations with Klaus Schulze and Jade Warrior. He received major critical acclaim in America for his 90's recordings, Escape, Warrior and Zanzi, which was chosen as Billboard's Critic's Choice. In 1997 he recorded (Science Of The Gods) and appeared with new wave dance gurus Eat Static and in 1998 he began working with Springheel Jack. He released the evocative album Deep Down Far in 1999 ('an original finely hewn work ' - Progression Magazine ) and is about to work on another Eat Static project. On our ESD page is the long awaited forthcoming release from Wendy Carlos, Switched-On Boxed Set. Music that changed the world: a gorgeous collector’s deluxe edition of a decade of revolutionary recordings by 'original synth' Wendy Carlos. Hear the actual master tapes for the first time, painstakingly transferred, cleaned and optimized, using ultra-high fidelity 20-bit “Hi-D” sound. “Carlos’s realization of the Fourth Brandenburg Concerto is, to put it bluntly, the finest performance of any of the Brandenburgs—live, canned, or intuited—I’ve ever heard.” —Glenn Gould Collect the Grammy-award family of Switched-On Bach, which propelled the synthesizer to fame in 1968 and became the first Platinum-selling classical album, with The Well-Tempered Synthesizer, Switched-On Bach II, and the Switched-On Brandenburgs. * Four 20-Bit CDs * Two colorful books with hundreds of pages * Dozens of photos * The “lost” audio tracks * Behind the S-OB scenes * History of the Moog Synthesizer * More images of the texts for your computer * A working analog synth computer program * MIDI files of Carlos’s Bach performances We have a new collection on our Third Contact page . Various Artists/Refuge - a benefit for the peoples of Kosova - Take Refuge in a compilation of the best of New York's downtown scene! The hottest new voices and a few old favorites have come together to raise money for the people of Kosova and in the process have created a compilation of songs that transcends the usual and covers more musical territory than a walk through the East Village on a Saturday night. While this collection was released by The Orchard and not Third Contact, it seemed fitting on this page being produced by Joy Askew, mastered by Larry Fast and featuring new recordings from each of them. In fact, Larry's interpretation of Ravel's Pavane would be the first new Synergy recording of this decade (with more to come we hope!). Also featured on this recording are the familiar rhythms of Peter Gabriel backing up the provocative poetry of his daughter Melanie Gabriel, Living Colour's Vernon Reid, Richard Barone, Marina Belica with members of the October Project, Sarah Slean and many more. And when you buy Refuge, you give refuge; proceeds from this CD will be donated to the Kosova Relief Fund to help the people of Kosova rebuild their homeland. The war is over, help us to end the suffering. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@a... phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From: Charles Amos Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 7:23 pm Subject: Re: Humorous Thief Comments from IMDB... Hi All, This soundtrack was what got me hooked on TD! I saw the movie on HBO in the early eighties and was blown away by the soundtrack! I went to my local record store and picked up a copy. From there it went to Tangram, Phaedra, Rubicon, Exit, Le Parc, and on and on. If it wasn't for Thief... -Bill Amos Dale wrote: > > From: 'Dale' > > The sound track for the Thief was one of the best 'IMO' TD has done. Not > only did it keep the movie alive and moving it makes for one very good Album > to listen too! When I first saw the movie, I walked in after maybe the first > 15 minutes was already showing. I sat down as the sound track caught my ear. > If it wasn't for the sound track I might have just kept on walking by the > TV. The soundtrack kept me thinking this is one band I like to hear more of. > I kept telling myself, jeez this sounds like TD or another band similar and > I want to hear more. At the end of the movie, sure enough it was TD. Sorry > if this goes contraire to your thoughts on what a sound track should do but > to me this one has all the points of a good sound track and how they should > work with the movie. > > dale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults > To: tadream@o... > Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] Humorous Thief Comments from IMDB... > > >From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > >funny: two back-to-back commentaries contradicting each other about the > >merits of the music in Thief. that Lieberman dude is out of his mind. > >maybe the music was mixed a little heavier in parts than movies usually are > >(not that I minded!), but it certainly was no 'mess'! He says the music > >took away from the suspense, but I think it *kept* the suspense going > >through. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jim Moore > >> Check out the comment on where Tangerine Dream hails from... > >> > >> http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?83190 > >> > > > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send > a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TOTAL ECLIPSE by Force Majeur Go to http://www.eurock.com and you'll see an entry that reads: |Force Majeur |TOTAL ECLIPSE |(Hungarian synthe in the vein of classic T. Dream) Anyone here familiar with this puppy? -- Steven Feldman From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 9:19 pm Subject: D:Studio [Rubycon] - better late than never A very late email, but better late than never. Smalltimeline ©® :) 1973 Atem Green Desert Tubular Bells 1974 Phaedra ***1975 RUBYCON*** 1976 Stratosfear Oxygene 1977 Encore Rubycon - 1975 1. Rubycon part 1 (17:00) 2. Rubycon part 2 (17:20) 0:00 - Rubycon part 1 has a big intro, similar to and reminescent of the Phaedra ending and maybe Mysterious Semblance. Very nice ambient work. 6:00 - the intro slowly ends and some bass comes up. 7:10 - first sequencer part. a basic sequence with other elements. one of the best parts of this album. 10:00 - the basic sequence changes and other sequences begin to join the music. 12:00 - the other sequences start to leave and Rubycon part 1 very slowly begins its end, just like Phaedra's second part. 12:30 - around this point, there's the climax. but this track is so plain that the climax is almost invisible. 12:52 - another shift in the basic sequence. 13:20 - some small flute melody, the first melody I could notice in Part 1. It seems that the flute is used always as bridge and to signal the ending of the track. 13:51 - another change in the basic sequence, followed by other changes. the sequence starts to be simplified, from a 3 note - 3 note sequence to a 2 - 2 note sequence. (I don't have any technical knowledge in music, I just invented this name. Perhaps it's correct...?) 14:44 - at this point, you listen to the last effect of Part 1 for the first time. the basic sequence, which was already slowly dying, becomes a 1-1-note sequence and then is turned off some seconds later. Rubycon part 1 is somehow a Phaedra version, but that Phaedra 'ramp' is larger in Rubycon and the ramp doesn't end. Hmmm... language limitations. How can I say? This part almost doesn't have a climax, it almost doesn't have any melody, and I think this is TD first sequencer-heavy track. I don't know why, but I love this part. It could be a infinite track, something like a mantra. That's the word. Rubycon part 1 is an electronic mantra. 0:00 - Rubycon part 2 begins in a similar way to part 1, but then we listen to some haunting sound, which can be winds os howls. There are other sounds like screams in the distance, and at 1:12 some owly sounds. Very spooky intro. It continues with other sounds, and moans dominate the track at 3:00. 3:40 - the intro seems to start to end. 4:20 - the ending of the intro. 4:35 - the sequence joins the music. This is one of the best sequences IMO, between Ph.,R.,FM,Pol.,WE,Str. and Ric. which are the TD albums I have. Unlike the stable sequence in part 1, this one changes all the time. 7:30 - The sequence stabilizes. 8:30 - It begins to change again, but less often than before. 10:00 - A climax. the sequence starts to fade, with other sound which made me remind of Phaedra's before 'falling off the cliff' sequence. Is this sound from the mellotron? 11:30 - water. lots of water sounds. 12:05 - the last part of this album begins. As usual in TD interludes, some flute. I could notice they use the flute in almost every interlude, in all albums. 14:00 - the ambient final section, very similar to the beginning of this album, continues with flute notes. At this point, it's obvious that the sequences have left the music. 17:00 - Similarly to Phaedra's ending, Sequent C', this album ends with Baumann playing flute, alone. Rubycon is a very stable and cyclic AND mantric album. It's perhaps TD's most uniform album. It's also symetric: begins with ambient, then sequencer, then ambient, then sequencer, then ambient. It's like a huge plain, with two hills. One, smaller,is part 1's nearly invisible climax. The other, a little bigger, is part 2's Phaedrish climax. I could say that Rubycon is Phaedra II. Very strangely, I LOVE this album after listening to it and making this review! Now I like it better than Phaedra. Rubycon, TD's 1975 album, is the last of the early albums. Phaedra and Rubycon, TOGETHER, and only together, are the true bridge between the experimentation of early records and the sequencer-mania shown in later albums. Phaedra shows TD beginning to write true compositions (Mysterious Semblance is the best example). Rubycon has the best sequencer experimentation. I can give this album a 6AS, but unfortunately the maximum note here is 5As. Phaedra also takes 5 As. As happened with Lawry Simm when he was writing Phaedra's review, I was very surprised to see that now I like Phaedra and Rubycon (Phaedra II) better than never! gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Oct 24, 1999 1:56 pm Subject: Re: Cathedral concerts From: Gustavo Jobim > >Hey, remember that Cathedral thread sometime ago? >I said that I would get a photo of Rio's Metropilitan Cathedral, but I >forgot... ok, I found the homepage! You can go to >http://www.catedral.com.br , there's a nice photo of the cathedral on this >site! Now just imagine TD playing inside that pyramid. > >gfj. Replying myself, there's a section where you can find other pictures of the cathedral - including inside photos. I didn't see them, only the thumbnails. You can find them by clicking on the section 'Fotos', on the homepage. gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 7:20 am Subject: D:Live [Ricochet] Warning... long, rambling review..... Well, I agree with Jen's comments about working with classic analog sequencers, (and recent emulators, my favorite being seq-303 by technotoys for those out there w/PC's) can only increase your respect for what TD did with what they had. It is NOT easy to get the variations, multilayering, and key changes with the gear they had available to them. That's a point I want to stress. Also, as far as comments I've made on how these recordings 'sound', I perhaps wasn't clear enough on my Rubycon post. Sounds great? Yes, I still think so... Compared to, say, Dark side of the moon, (roughly same time frame)? No. Compared to what they had released before? YES! They simply didn't have the money/clout to make recordings as good as The Floyd, for example. (RECORDINGS, mind you, I'm not talking about the music.) They did make a marked improvement after Phaedra, IMHO. Okay. the album itself. Ricochet Part one I've listened to all these albums (up to Stratosfear) since '76, and while I've become somewhat affectionate toward it, I still feel compositionally that the guitar 'theme' that starts the album goes on a bit too long. At about 6:40 I really like the synthetic groove that emerges... almost a kind of early K-werkish sound. then this gothic pulse emerges out of it. Great to hear this close to Halloween. About 8:30 more guitar comes out, and well, I'm not that big a fan of some of the early guitar work (though I love Coldwater Canyon) At about 10:30 another sequence emerges and develops a harmonic counterpoint This is a classic TD section with wild drums. Now that I've been recording for a while the edits are pretty easy to spot, though they don't bother me. At 13:30 the original theme reemerges, though played much faster. Then it slowly dissolves back to the original pulse making a kind of arc for the whole piece. (ABCBA) So this album is allegedly culled from 400 hours of recordings? I'm not sure what they meant by that. Maybe they had 400 hours of recordings from their tour that year, but this album says in the liner notes the concerts were in France and Britain. Clearly they were edited down, but I'd be interested to know from how many concerts It was REALLY culled from. Someone mentioned that they didn't feel it mattered how much the live recordings were 'Tampered' with if the end result was great music. I agree. Distilling down and editing like that is an art in itself. Ricochet Part two Well Jens, I think this side was a peak moment for TD. One of the great sides they ever did. Of course you're not going to hear too much criticism from me from Phaedra on Baumann era as it's some of my favorite music ever made. Some comments: The handclapping at the beginning of side two... Now why did they add this? To show that some of the album was done in a studio? Maybe a reference to the Zen question 'What is the sound of one hand clapping'? I like it whatever it's for. The piano/Mellotron intro is sublime and one of the most beautiful moments they recorded in the Baumann era. At 2:40 a high pitch sequence comes in and develops into a one of the most beautiful counterpoints they ever did (Coming out at about 5:58) The layers here are gorgeous. A Kaleidoscopic journey through some Astral plane. I love the dynamic changes on this album. The sound collage at about 13:15 is Very Surreal and somewhat revisited on Encore. Then the Flutes call us out of danger to a My favorite part of the album. Fantastic playing here....A perfect example of the sequencer manipulation Jens was talking about. Amazing. Live albums were a discussion earlier and I'll put in my two cents here I'd say Ricochet and Encore would be my entries. Poly From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 7:47 am Subject: D:[Live] Ricochet Ricochet.... what can I add to this huge album that hasn't been said before. I only recently learned that this album was mixed together from various shows played at that time. Each day you learn something new when you are subscribed to both TD mailing lists :-) Is their anybody on the lists who heard Richochet part 2 as often as I did? I haven't counted it but I think it may be 100-150 times. I know this track inside out, almost every single note. Wake me up at 3 a.m. in the morning and I will gladly hum along the first 10 minutes (make me a strong cup of coffee and I'll sing the rest for you ;-) . Part 1 is also very good but doesn't come close to Part 2 (IMHO). Also this has one of the best TD covers Monique Froese ever did. 1975 was a very productive year for TD where not only Rubycon and Ricochet were released but also Edgars' beautiful Epsilon in Malaysian pale album. I know that we don't discuss solo albums but this one surely would deserve it. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18610 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet Synthhtnys@a... Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB 18611 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet Jens Peschke Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB 18615 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet Heiko Heerßen Mon 10/25/1999 2 KB 18618 D: Ricochet Attila Gyory Mon 10/25/1999 2 KB 18619 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet tadream Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB 18620 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet Heiko Heerßen Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB 18626 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet Marcel Engels Mon 10/25/1999 1 KB 18628 Re: D:[Live] Ricochet Radu Velicescu Mon 10/25/1999 2 KB 18685 D: Ricochet Thomas Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 7:40 am Subject: Re: D:[Live] Ricochet In a message dated 10/25/99 7:39:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: << Also this has one of the best TD covers Monique Froese ever did. 1975 was a very productive year for TD where not only Rubycon and Ricochet were released but also Edgars' beautiful Epsilon in Malaysian pale album. I know that we don't discuss solo albums but this one surely would deserve it. >> * I Agree 100% on all points. Poly From: Jens Peschke Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 8:02 am Subject: Re: D:[Live] Ricochet > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > ...but also Edgars' beautiful Epsilon in Malaysian > pale album. I know that we don't discuss solo albums but this one > > surely would deserve it. I you fancy talking about E_i_M, go for it I'd say, Heiko ! There's nothing that can hinder you from talking about this one at *any* time on this list. It's TD related, innit ? Best Regards Jens -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 8:09 am Subject: D:Live [Ricochet] > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > Also, as far as comments I've made on how these > recordings 'sound', I perhaps wasn't clear enough on my Rubycon > post. Sounds great? Yes, I still think so... Compared to, say, > Dark side of the moon, (roughly same time frame)? No. Compared > to what they had released before? YES! They simply didn't have the > money/clout to make recordings as good as The Floyd, for example. > (RECORDINGS, mind you, I'm not talking about the music.) > They did make a marked improvement after Phaedra, IMHO. Maybe I've got a bad copy of Rubycon because I still think the quality is quite bad. Not much high frequencies. I've got a picture disc of it. But the music is great and thats what counts. A short 'review' of Ricochet. Part one. Excellent opening!!! So simple and yet so beautiful and haunting/powerful. I'm quite inspired by these intro's (as you may notice on the opening of Pointless) Nice mellotron brass which starts the track. Again a simple 3 note (or is it 4 if you count the muted note? :-)) sequence which some typical TD notes on top. After a while it really starts with some great sequencer, guitar and drum work. And ends the same as the beginning, I like that! Part two. This is the best track of the 2 imo. In fact its imo almost the best track TD ever did (if you're in the right mood). Nice piano work and mellotron flute. And then the sequencer...what can I say about the sequencer...it's just fantastic. But this is definitely studio-work...if you listen to Croydon '75 which has a lot in common with Ricochet then you don't hear any of these major sequencer-changes. I also wonder if that can be done live on stage. But nevertheless they can 'tamper' any day like this because I like it! I also think that there is some hand-played sequencer work in there...I think not everything comes from Chris's Moog. After the voice part it's quite hypnotising and I could swear I hear some kind of voice being played when Chris tunes or changes a sequence...not the voice of someone but a coincidence when changing the sequence. (or maybe I'm ripe for the nuthouse? :-)) Ends with some superb choirs... definitely 5AS. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 8:51 am Subject: Re: D:Live [Ricochet] In a message dated 10/25/99 8:07:13 AM !!!First Boot!!!, fsp@w... writes: << Maybe I've got a bad copy of Rubycon because I still think the quality is quite bad. Not much high frequencies. I've got a picture disc of it. But the music is great and thats what counts.>> * Well, one of the attractions of Rubycon to me is the rather dark quality in the EQ. I wouldn't want all their albums EQ'd like this, but I think it fits Rubycon's mood perfectly. Picture disc as in vinyl? Poly From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > * Well, one of the attractions of Rubycon to me is the rather dark > quality in the EQ. I wouldn't want all their albums EQ'd like this, but I > think it fits Rubycon's mood perfectly. Picture disc as in vinyl? > Poly Ah okay...I also think it fits it. The EQ is a bit bad, but it fits. I've got Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet as picture CDs. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Jens Peschke > > > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > > ...but also Edgars' beautiful Epsilon in Malaysian > > pale album. I know that we don't discuss solo albums but this one > > > surely would deserve it. > > I you fancy talking about E_i_M, go for it I'd say, Heiko ! > There's nothing that can hinder you from talking about > this one at *any* time on this list. It's TD related, innit ? > Hi Jens! Well, I think it's TD related ;-) I bought 'Epsilon in Malaysian pale' in the early 80's at a record fair, just a few days after 'Richochet'. Listening to these 2 albums one after the other one can understand why it didn't take much to become a TD diehard! The only problem for me was the sound quality. Unfortunately I bought some crappy vinyl copies (well, you can't expect much when you buy Epsilon for 1 DM ;-) and only recently I got a CDR copy of the long out of print CD version. Now I can listen to one of Ed's finest moments in glorious sound quality. Surely one of the best albums that feature the mellotron sound. Of course other bands included the instrument years before Epsilon was released, but only as an accompaniment to their music (Moody Blues, King Crimson, etc.). Dare I say that Epsilon is one of the best EM albums ever produced? Yes? Thank you. It must've frustrated Edgar that he failed to win the 'Deutscher Schallplattenpreis' for Epsilon in 1975. Instead it was Klaus Schulze with his glorious 'Timewind' album, another EM classic. From: Martin Kay Phil N. > >Obligatory TD stuff: I just snapped up 'Architecture In Motion' - why has >Miramar been holding out on this one for so long, since it was recorded in >1998? And why didn't it show up on TDI, since TDI was in full swing by then? Hi guys, just to avoid misunderstandings. The music on 'Architecture in Motion' was already released by TDI in 1998 - under the name 'What a Blast!'. Both releases are identical, content- wise (...I don`t know about the sleeve design since I have not seen the MIRAMAR CD, yet), except that 'What a Blast!' features one extra track. All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: EMC Holland From: 'Jens Peschke' > >From: koulos >> rogger waters amused to death >> >> a great album!! > >Fully agree. I even bought the gold edition of this one >as it's one of the best recordings ever done (if you like Roger Waters >voice - that is), IMO. And don't forget the Jeff Beck guitar playing! :-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Attila Gyory From: 'tadream' To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Live] Ricochet > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > In a message dated 10/25/99 7:39:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > heiko.heerssen@h... writes: > I know that we don't discuss solo albums but this one surely > would deserve it. >> From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'tadream' > > what about 'Stuntman'? I think it deserves a credit just as much. > > > In a message dated 10/25/99 7:39:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > > heiko.heerssen@h... writes: > > > I know that we don't discuss solo albums but this one surely > > would deserve it. >> From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Oct 25, 1999 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Rubycon and float tanks? In a message dated 25-10-1999 5:08:25 AM EST, martin@t... writes: << just to avoid misunderstandings. The music on 'Architecture in Motion' was already released by TDI in 1998 - under the name 'What a Blast!'. Both releases are identical, content- wise (...I don`t know about the sleeve design since I have not seen the MIRAMAR CD, yet), except that 'What a Blast!' features one extra track. All the best, Martin Kay. >> This one is called 'What A Blast' as well but only in reference to the Video. Doesn't this count as copyright infringement to a greater or lesser degree? It is interesting that there seems to be no indication of a publishing or copyright date or logo anywhere on the disc or packaging. This all seems a bit unusual under any normal circumstances, don't you think? Phil N. From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 7:02 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] Humorous Thief Comments from IMDB... > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > From Owens James: > >Perhaps you should go to 'tangerinedream' so you can say what you really > >think! > > Hey, hey, hey! I don't know anything about Thief movie or ST, but is this > a > democratic list or not??! > > I hope you were kidding, James! > > Just a comment... > > gfj. > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joel Mullen > >> > >> 'The film's only true flaw is the terrible score by Tangerine Dream, > which > >> is a > >> synthesized mess. If the score was replaced, then the film would be > very > >> close to great, but the score makes some of the most suspenseful parts > of > >> the film completely dull.' > >> > >> > > <<<>>>> > gfj . > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Jens Peschke From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > Hi Jens! > Well, I think it's TD related ;-) Yep, you're right! Let's pissing off Lawry Simm with a brief D:solo discussion ! ;-) (just kidding Lawry you surely deserve it, though. He, he,he. ;-)) Seriously folks, any discussion of TD's work is almost useless if you don't take into account the solo releases around the same period (Romance '76 anyone ?) - they are essential for the developing of style of TD. I too got 'Epsilon in Malaysian pale' recently on one of those offsite backup CDR's. Sold the LP back in 1983 and didn't really likes it back then, hence I never bought the CD while it was still available. So it took 16 years (boy, am I getting old) until I listened to it again. I couldn't believe how good it actually was and how good I did remember it. Mellotron heaven! > It must've frustrated Edgar that he failed to win the 'Deutscher >Schallplattenpreis' for Epsilon in 1975. Instead it was Klaus >Schulze with his glorious 'Timewind' album, another EM classic. A good choice then! I've listened to Timewind at least as often as to Ricochet, well a girlfriend once found Timewind inspiring if you know what I mean. ;-))) Best Regards Jens -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... [SMTP:PNaunton@a...] > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:36 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Rubycon and float tanks? > > From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 22-10-1999 1:42:34 PM EST, james.e.owens@b... > writes: > > << together > > for almost 20 years. From the float tanks in college...> > > > ARE YOU NUTS! Haven't you seen _Altered States_? Do you know what > hallucinogens and float tanks can do to a person? > > James > >> > > Do you mean that it really works? I thought it would be more > like > that 'Simpsons' episode. I've been cheated. > > Phil N. > > Obligatory TD stuff: I just snapped up 'Architecture In Motion' - why > has > Miramar been holding out on this one for so long, since it was recorded in > > 1998? And why didn't it show up on TDI, since TDI was in full swing by > then? > > From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Rubycon and float tanks? > From: Owens James > > Architecture in Motion is available from TDI with bonus tracks under the > title: 'What a Blast' > > I forgot about the Simpsons float tank episode. My brother's used them a > couple of times. He liked it a lot (though there were no Halucinogens > involved. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PNaunton@a... [SMTP:PNaunton@a...] > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:36 AM > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Rubycon and float tanks? > > > > From: PNaunton@a... > > > > In a message dated 22-10-1999 1:42:34 PM EST, james.e.owens@b... > > writes: > > > > << > together > > > for almost 20 years. From the float tanks in college...> > > > > > ARE YOU NUTS! Haven't you seen _Altered States_? Do you know what > > hallucinogens and float tanks can do to a person? > > > > James > > >> > > > > Do you mean that it really works? I thought it would be more > > like > > that 'Simpsons' episode. I've been cheated. > > > > Phil N. > > > > Obligatory TD stuff: I just snapped up 'Architecture In Motion' - why > > has > > Miramar been holding out on this one for so long, since it was recorded in > > > > 1998? And why didn't it show up on TDI, since TDI was in full swing by > > then? > > > > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Attila Gyory > > Btw. I've got a question. The Ricochet album cover > says that the album was recorded live in England and > France. Has anyone an idea of which track (or track > part) was recorded in which country and where? (IMO > either was recorded at a rocky seashore according to > the back cover's little pics). You can find lots of it in Croydon. And you can find that on the superb 'A sea of Dreams' CDRs... (sorry, this is the last time I will talk about boots!) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: 'Jim Moore' > > How much do float tanks run? > > From: Radu Velicescu Btw. I've got a question. The Ricochet album cover > says that the album was recorded live in England and > France. Has anyone an idea of which track (or track > part) was recorded in which country and where? (IMO > either was recorded at a rocky seashore according to > the back cover's little pics). > > Regards, > Attila Ricochet part 2 is made up of a piano/mellotron studio construct at the beginning. Then the amazing sequencing starts, almost a carbon copy of Croydon (23-Oct-1975) except that Ricochet 2 seems to have an extra layer of sequencing. When the first sequencing part dies down, we have more studio constructs which leads into another sequencing routine. This one again seems to be almost identical to Croydon. What seems interesting is that where the studio construct comes in the middle of Ricochet 2 that is where a lot of guitar was. There's a lot of guitar removed from Croydon on it's transition to Ricochet 2. We've seen guitar removal before, on Sohoman. The difference between the release of these albums (Sohoman & Ricochet) is 24 years, looks like Edgar always had the urge to remove some guitar from live albums. Now, with Soundmill Navigator to be soon released - that has lots of guitar, will that be removed??? Anyway, my bet is that Ricochet 2 is almost identical to Croydon '75, now how about Ricochet 1? Anybody any ideas on where this one is from? Radu np - Croydon 1975 From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Ken Mitchell' > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > >[Ricochet part 2] > > My God. Do you know, I once saw a band perform a cover version of this >track (you know who >you are!) and it was a fantastic interpretation. I >would dearly love to hear that > > one day (I know that it was recorded). > >I can confirm that the cover version Lawry mentions here is absolute >awesome, >I like it even better than the original which is amongst my fave bits TD Lawry, Jens - come on spill the beans who did the cover version your both enthusing about ? Ricochet is a desert island disc for me so if there is a better version out there I wanna hear it !!!! After all Redshift was a better version of Rubycon (sound of large cat landing amongst big flock of pigeons ensues) - Ken From: 'Ken Mitchell' So this album is allegedly culled from 400 hours of recordings? >I'm not sure what they meant by that. Maybe they had 400 hours of > >recordings >from their tour that year, but this album says in the liner notes the >concerts >were in France and Britain. Clearly they were edited down, but I'd be >interested >to know from how many concerts It was REALLY culled from. If there were 400 hours of tapes I think some of them must have been studio - they definately did not do 400 hours of concerts in 1975. The vast majority of Ricochet Pt II was recorded at Croydon Fairfield Hall - a listen to a tape of this will confirm. I one saw a quote somewhere alledging bits of Coventry had also been spliced in. Sooooo maybe Pt I is taken from France - anybody ? From: 'kayleigh' From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'kayleigh' > >Hey there all. Quick question. I wanted to ask about the 'newest' Cd of >Tangerine Dream. I saw that the Cd 'Mars Polaris' was dated 1999, and wanted >to find out if that was the most recent Cd they'd done? I picked it up >yesterday from Best Buy, and have to say I really like it. > >AND wanted to ask about Tangram? I had received a copy of this about 3 >months ago from a friend who didn't know I was already getting into their >stuff, BUT it's only a CDR. What is this? is this another 'bootleg' or is >this a real release Cd? If it's a real one, I'll have to get it, BUT wanted >to find out prior to searching the world for it as this stuff is so hard to >find in Michigan! > >thanks for any help. You guys/gals have been great about the info I've asked >about, and I really appreciate it. > >dan gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: 'Brian W. Bailey' From: Steven Feldman . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Christopher Robbin > Actually, it wasn't just modular synths that could do that. I know the Mini-moog had an external input that allowed to process sounds with the filter, for instance. Of cours, a modular allows for far more flexiblity. You can have any kind of filter configuration (ie high pass, low pass, band pass or band reject/notch), you could do ring modulator effects, etc. With the Mini-moog, you were basically limited to that one low pass filter and whatever kind of modulation you can get from using the third oscillator or the noise source. Nowadays, you have all these 'virtual analog' synths, like the Nord Virtual Modular or the Virus, which also allow you to process sounds with that kind of flexibilty that the modular synths offer. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18638 Re: sound processing Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 10/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'kayleigh' > > Hey there all. Quick question. I wanted to ask about the 'newest' Cd of > Tangerine Dream. I saw that the Cd 'Mars Polaris' was dated 1999, and wanted > to find out if that was the most recent Cd they'd done? I picked it up > yesterday from Best Buy, and have to say I really like it. 'Mars Polaris' is the newest CD by Tangerine Dream (not counting the recent re-issues of older material by TDI). It was released on June 18th, 1999. First copies of it were on sale at the Mars Polaris world premiere in Osnabrueck (June 12th). Since then there were > AND wanted to ask about Tangram? I had received a copy of this about 3 > months ago from a friend who didn't know I was already getting into their > stuff, BUT it's only a CDR. What is this? is this another 'bootleg' or is > this a real release Cd? If it's a real one, I'll have to get it, BUT wanted > to find out prior to searching the world for it as this stuff is so hard to > find in Michigan! Tangram is a real (and I mean REAL!!!!) release CD. It's from 1980 and one of the best TD albums ever (or maybe the best of them all. I even prefer this one to Logos or Richochet). If you like it then also watch out for 'Pergamon'. This is a live CD from TD's first appearance in the former GDR on January 31, 1980. There you can hear some parts which later were featured on Tangram. Heiko From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 26, 1999 7:28 am Subject: Re: Re: sound processing In a message dated 10/26/99 6:40:16 AM !!!First Boot!!!, kohntarkosz@y... writes: << Actually, it wasn't just modular synths that could do that. I know the Mini-moog had an external input that allowed to process sounds with the filter, for instance. >> * True enough, but they didn't have them at that time. Poly From: kstratos0@xxxxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 26, 1999 7:56 am Subject: ftp covers Hi, guys. Just wanted to say that the collection of rare covers on the FTP server seems to be excellent- and growing up. However, I cant download any! Each time i get a 'File too large to download-cant initiate data transfer.' So its either a ratio service or are the files only for certain members of the list? Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. Stratos, Greece Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18645 Re: ftp covers Radu Velicescu Tue 10/26/1999 1 KB 18647 Re: ftp covers Gustavo Jobim Tue 10/26/1999 1 KB 18650 Re: ftp covers Joe Shoults Tue 10/26/1999 1 KB 18651 Re: ftp covers Ken Beal Tue 10/26/1999 2 KB 18656 Re: ftp covers Joe Shoults Tue 10/26/1999 1 KB From: Christopher Robbin > * True enough, but they didn't have them at thattime.>> Well, TD might not have had them, but others did, as the Mini-moog was introduced back in 70, I believe. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: 'Simon Slator' From: 'Simon Slator' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 26, 1999 9:17 am Subject: Re: Romance '76 In a message dated 10/26/99 8:57:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, in6471@w... writes: << 'Romance '76' I found on CD not long ago, in with a bunch of 2nd hand CDs, selling for around £5. Although I don't rate it as highly as 'Epsilon', I did however find it most interesting. The music itself is rather minimalist, lacking any form of EF-style beauty. I rather liked 'Bicentennial Presentation' and 'Phase By Phase', but I found 'Romance' took some time to get started. I reviewed the album for the Classic Rock Central website, giving it a rather reasonable 7 out of 10. 'Epsilon' would get a definite 9. >> * 7 is reasonable. I like this album VERY much, but realize part of it is nostalgia. I got it shortly after delving into EM. But the critical side of me says the album feels unfinished. I'm used to a minimalist aesthetic, but it still feels somewhat wanting for embellishment. I'm surprised you didn't mention Meadow of infinity/Glass Bridge, which I feel to be the highlight of the album, more visionary than the three you mentioned, which have an almost 'pop' feel. For those who like this sound, you should check out Patrick O'Hearn's Ancient Dreams? It was one of the early albums on the Private Music label (Peter Baumann's label.) and has a somewhat similar brooding feel to Romance '76 Though in Patrick's own style. Poly From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: Radu Velicescu From: kstratos0@y... > > Hi, guys. > Just wanted to say that the collection of rare covers on the FTP server > seems to be excellent- and growing up. However, I cant download any! Each > time i get a 'File too large to download-cant initiate data transfer.' > So its either a ratio service or are the files only for certain members of > the list? Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. > Stratos, Greece From: 'twosheds' From: Gustavo Jobim From: kstratos0@y... > >Hi, guys. >Just wanted to say that the collection of rare covers on the FTP server >seems to be excellent- and growing up. However, I cant download any! Each >time i get a 'File too large to download-cant initiate data transfer.' >So its either a ratio service or are the files only for certain members of >the list? Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. >Stratos, Greece gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: 'Craig Chambers' A friend of mine used to work at a record store called Peaches back in the >'70s, and he said he would frequently play Ricochet in the store, and people >would come up to him and ask to buy a copy, even people who had never heard >TD before. He said he sold at least a dozen to people who had never heard of >them. This was in '75 or '76, so they had yet to tour the states. Must be from Atlanta...I remember Peaches. I bought a lot of 8-tracks (unfortunately) in that place. Those were the days before the big chains put all the 'real' record stores out of business. From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Rare covers? FTP server? Never heard of that! > What's the URL?!?!? > From: Ken Beal From: 'Joe Shoults' > >OK. I put a note up on the FTP server. (http://members.xoom.com/tadream1) > > >check in the '.click here for instructions' folder at the top of the 'album >covers' folder. Those instructions should cover the questions, but to be >clear, you don't have to use an FTP program to download, only to upload. >You can also upload using the xoom.com browser-based upload utility, which >is available by logging into xoom.com with : > >Login: tadream1 >Password: admin > >To download, all you have to do is click on the filename, and it 'downloads' >the file to your browser. You can also right-click and 'Save target as...' > >-Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > > > Rare covers? FTP server? Never heard of that! > > What's the URL?!?!? > > > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original >messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this >list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > thanks for any help. You guys/gals have been great about the info I've > asked > about, and I really appreciate it. > > dan > You're welcome! James From: Steve Whiteley From: 'Steve Yensen' I agree, the first track of Richochet is superb. In my opinion, it hints >at some elements of Sorcerer, but maybe that's just in my mind. >Actually, Ricochet Pt. 1, Sorcerer, and parts of Force Majeure remind me >a bit of 'fantasy music' in the vein of, oh, say Bo Hansson. (Does >anyone here know of him?) As no-one else has replied, I have 'Lord of the Rings' by Bo Hansson. Same year, I think? I don't see any resemblance however, but maybe that's just me. I'll play it again and see ... (LURK) Cheers, Steve. np: a better live TD album than those considered already!! ============ STEVE YENSEN =============== Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ (the internet in nottingham) Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... (Siemens Communications) No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Oct 26, 1999 9:00 pm Subject: Re: RE: Light on a dark group: interview w/ TD In a message dated 10/26/99 6:51:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Steve_Whiteley@N... writes: << **************************************************************** Does Chris have any solo work from the 70's? **************************************************************>> * The only one I'm aware of came with the old '70 - '80 box set They all three had a solo piece on one side of an album... It was called Chimes and Chains and was done in '79.... I was wondering about that quote too. Did his work get absorbed into TD? Or is it sitting in a vault somewhere like Michael Hoenig's second album for Warner Bros? Poly From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Beal [mailto:kwb10@c...] > all I get is a 'member page not found' error, so the pix are not > available it me... From: James Joystick From: EFroese@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 12:01 am Subject: Re: The new Cd? Dan, I believe that Mars Polaris is the latest release. I just picked it up recently myself. I think it's the best work that they have done in a while. Tangram is a very good cd also. And yes, it is a studio release. The cd I have says that it was originally released in 1980 on Virgin. I'm sure it's still available. It's a Froese, Franke, Schmoelling collaboration. Try the web if you can't find it locally. Steve From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 1:31 am Subject: Re: Re: D:Live [Ricochet] In a message dated 10/26/99 11:26:25 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jjoy@u... writes: << For the second part I have to point out that the second iteration of the track is structurally identical to Michael Hoenig's music at the time, and since we know that he joined the band for that tour, is seems to be evident that what we hear there is his playing. But he's not credited anywhere in my old Virgin CD. >> * You know, I refrained from saying anything because the music is credited to Froese, Franke, and Baumann, and I've never heard otherwise, but there are certain polyrhythms and playing styles that very closely resemble Departure era Hoenig... hmmm. Poly From: 'Greg' From: Steve Whiteley > Christoph: I'm working with traditional instruments like the > harpsichord for my solo album. Then a new thing, an instrument > called a speech synthesizer which can produce vocals and > consonants in a way that you can synthesize your own speech. > I'm not interested to make sentences in a semantic way. I want > to use speech only as an instrument. On my next album I have > a rhythm programmer because I use pulses from one sequencer to > another at the same time, so that I have several different > rhythms in it. I can programme it up to maybe fifty bars but > I can make it return when I want, maybe after one bar, after > three, or after fifty bars. I can make a notation for it and > then I play it from the notation, with pins and notes and > switches, how many notes. For example, I have a scale, C, D, > E, and so on, and I take C, D and another C and in the next > bar I switch off the second C and take A on it, and in this > way I can get together any melodic line I want. > > **************************************************************** > Does Chris have any solo work from the 70's? > **************************************************************** Yah Ricochet Pt. 2 :| Greg H. :) From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > << For the second part I have to point out that the second iteration of > the > track is structurally identical to Michael Hoenig's music at the time, > and since we know that he joined the band for that tour, is seems to be > evident that what we hear there is his playing. But he's not credited > anywhere in my old Virgin CD. >> > > * You know, I refrained from saying anything because the music > is credited to Froese, Franke, and Baumann, and I've never heard > otherwise, > but there are certain polyrhythms and playing styles > that very closely resemble Departure era Hoenig... hmmm. > Poly > From: 'Craig Chambers' * You know, I refrained from saying anything because the music >is credited to Froese, Franke, and Baumann, and I've never heard otherwise, >but there are certain polyrhythms and playing styles >that very closely resemble Departure era Hoenig... hmmm. IIRC, Departure came out around '78, though I think it was recorded in '76...so maybe he learned a few tricks from Chris. Also, the other Hoenig classic 'Early Water' was recorded around '76 and also features some very similar sequence motifs. From: Radu Velicescu From: Owens James > > As far I know Hoenig only played at the Royal Albert Hall gig during the 75 > British tour. He stood in for Baumann during the entire 75 Australian > concert, and the first show in Brittain 6 days later (April 2 - Albert > Hall), but I think Baumann returned before the Coventry concert on April 4. > Having heard the tapes of the Albert Hall show, I have to say I don't think > much (if any) of the Ricochet music is from that concert. I admit I haven't > compared the April 2 concert with later concerts from the British tour to > see how different the music is. Can anyone provide any additional info on > this? From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: Radu Velicescu > > Actually the Coventry Cathedral concert was on the 4th of October, a good > 6 months after RAH. Baumann returned from Nepal (or wherever) in time to > rejoin the group. I really like Hoenig's influence, the Australian shows > (all in March 75, but only 2 available) and the RAH show have superb > sequences and no guitar. The UK tour 6 months later has a little > different sounding sequences plus they're full of guitar. > > There's no music from the 2 known Australian concerts and RAH on Ricochet > to my ears. Then again, I haven't heard Reims Opera House on Ricochet > either. Ricochet part 1 is still a mystery. Still, there's a lot of 1975 > shows not available, this might be the explanation of Ricochet 1. IMO, > Ricochet 2 is Croydon 75 + 1975 style tangentization = great stuff! > > Radu > > np-Birmingham 75 > From: 'Nick Adams' From: Owens James > > MY BAD! My concert list has 2 shows at Conventry: one in April 2 days after > RAH, and one in October, EXACTLY 6 months later. Did they tour the UK > twice? I'm beginning to wonder how accurate my dates are... > > Anyway, that makes more sense. > Just to add my 2 cents worth to this conversation, I remember watching a video on BBC 2 in about 77 or 78 of what i remember as the Coventry Cathedral Concert, and i'm sure, in fact i'm positive, they played the *whole* of Ricochet live, i also have the Coventry gig on CD-R and it is *not* the whole of the Ricochet album, my information states that they only did one Concert at Coventry Cathedral and that was on 4/10/75, so this is a bit of a puzzle, Could there have been 2 Coventry gigs ?. Maybe our resident TDI Expert Martin Kay could shed some light on this one ? BTW, I first heard Ricochet in 1976, and to this day it's still my favorite TD album, and side 2 is just the most incredible, most played, piece of shear brilliance i will ever have in my collection, and those that know me, know that my collection is quite large, not as large as some though ;-) Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > From: 'Nick Adams' > > > From: Owens James > > > > MY BAD! My concert list has 2 shows at Conventry: one in April 2 days > after > > RAH, and one in October, EXACTLY 6 months later. Did they tour the UK > > twice? I'm beginning to wonder how accurate my dates are... > > > > Anyway, that makes more sense. > > > Just to add my 2 cents worth to this conversation, I remember watching a > video on BBC 2 in about 77 or 78 of what i remember as the Coventry > Cathedral Concert, and i'm sure, in fact i'm positive, they played the > *whole* > of Ricochet live, i also have the Coventry gig on CD-R and it is *not* the > whole of the Ricochet album, my information states that they only did one > Concert at Coventry Cathedral and that was on 4/10/75, so this is a bit of > a puzzle, Could there have been 2 Coventry gigs ?. Maybe our resident > TDI Expert Martin Kay could shed some light on this one ? > > BTW, I first heard Ricochet in 1976, and to this day it's still my > favorite > TD album, and side 2 is just the most incredible, most played, piece of > shear brilliance i will ever have in my collection, and those that know > me, > know that my collection is quite large, not as large as some though ;-) > > Nick > > > Home Nicad@c... > Work Nick.Adams@p... > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18667 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Jens Peschke Wed 10/27/1999 1 KB 18668 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Radu Velicescu Wed 10/27/1999 2 KB 18669 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Carl & Jacqui Kearney Wed 10/27/1999 1 KB 18673 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Nick Adams Wed 10/27/1999 2 KB 18679 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Owens James Wed 10/27/1999 3 KB 18684 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Nick Adams Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB 18693 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Marcel Engels Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB 18694 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Marcel Engels Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB 18699 Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? Lawry Simm Thu 10/28/1999 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Radu Velicescu From: 'Jens Peschke' > > AFAIK Coventry is a small city ..... > with 300.000+ habitants. ;-) > > Best Regards > > Jens > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? ----- Original Message ----- From: Radu Velicescu To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? > From: Radu Velicescu > > Much of it was bombed in November 1940 by the Luftwaffe, including the > cathedral. OOPS !!! Who mentioned the War ???? Coventry is as my friend Jens says a small city I went there once and it was closed . Regards as always the nutter called ' Orch ' ( Bad day at work ) From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:03 pm Subject: Next week's discussion > Cant wait for Stratosfear next week - my fav of all time!! Sorry to disappoint you..... based on recording date, Sorcerer is next (rec Mar/Apr 1976) followed by Stratosfear (rec Jul 1976). I will post the full provisional schedule later. Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18678 Re: Next week's discussion Owens James Wed 10/27/1999 2 KB 18682 Re: Next week's discussion Steven Le Vine Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:22 pm Subject: Re: 'Don't mention the war!' ;-) > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > OOPS !!! Who mentioned the War ???? Right! Psst. 'Don't mention the war!' (*) Jens (*) obviously a quite popular phrase in the UK, as some blokes mentioned recently in a pub down in Nijmegen. They did, however, *scared* me first. Well, as German you tend to be a bit more subtle if it comes to that topic. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18674 Re: 'Don't mention the war!' ;-) Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/27/1999 1 KB 18675 Re: 'Don't mention the war!' ;-) Sean Montgomery Wed 10/27/1999 1 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:30 pm Subject: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Remember, I'm aiming at recording dates rather than release dates wherever possible, so as to better represent the chronological development of TD. However, in the case of modified releases (such as Sohoman), they will appear by release date. Some soundtracks are based on the release date of the film as recording dates are unspecified. Most notably are 1983 -1985 where things were often released out of recording order... All dates taken from 'Mysterious Semblance - A Tangerine Dream Chronology' by Scott Plumer. Also, I do not have all of the soundtracks, and some may merely reissue music from other releases and therefore do not really warrant a discussion of their own (unless we wish to discuss how the music affects the film). So if you know of such items, please let me know and I will adjust this schedule accordingly (this is only provisional!). Conversely, should I have omitted something you think should be in the list (e.g. compilations with unreleased material etc) let's discuss is. This order of items on the list is also open to discussion.... (dates will be added once the order is finalised) 31/10/99 - Week 09 - Sorcerer (Soundtrack) 07/11/99 - Week 10 - Stratosfear (Studio) - Week 11 - Encore (Live) - Week 12 - Cyclone (Studio) - Week 13 - Force Majeure (Studio) - Week 14 - Quichotte / Pergamon (Live) - Week 15 - Tangram (Studio) - Week 16 - Thief (Soundtrack) - Week 17 - Exit (Studio) - Week 18 - White Eagle (Studio) - Week 19 - Logos (Live) - Week 20 - Risky Business (Soundtrack) - Week 21 - Wavelength (Soundtrack) - Week 22 - Hyperborea (Studio) - Week 23 - Poland (Live) - Week 24 - Firestarter (Soundtrack) - Week 25 - Heartbreakers (Soundtrack) - Week 26 - Flashpoint (Soundtrack) - Week 27 - Le Parc (Studio) - Week 28 - The Park Is Mine (Soundtrack) - Week 29 - Legend (Soundtrack) - Week 30 - Underwater Sunlight (Soundtrack) - Week 31 - Tyger (Studio) - Week 32 - Deadly Care (Soundtrack) - Week 33 - Canyon Dreams (Soundtrack) - Week 34 - Three O'clock High (Soundtrack) - Week 35 - Near Dark (Soundtrack) - Week 36 - Shy People (Soundtrack) - Week 37 - Dead Solid Perfect (Soundtrack) - Week 38 - Livemiles (Live) - Week 39 - Optical Race (Studio) - Week 40 - Miracle Mile (Soundtrack) - Week 41 - Lily On The Beach (Studio) - Week 42 - Catch Me If You Can (Soundtrack) - Week 43 - Destination Berlin (Soundtrack) - Week 44 - The Man Inside (L'Affaire Walraff) (Soundtrack) - Is this too rare to include? - Week 45 - Melrose (Studio) - Week 46 - Rockoon (Studio) - Week 47 - 220 Volt Live (Live) - Week 48 - Turn Of The Tides (Studio) - Week 49 - Tyranny Of Beauty (Studio) - Week 50 - Tangents (Disc 5 Only) (Studio) - Should this be here? I think so as it is in effect an album in it's own right... - Week 51 - Rumpelstiltskin (Soundtrack) - Week 52 - The Dream Mixes (Studio) - new versions of old tracks... should this be included? - Week 53 - Zoning (Soundtrack) - Week 54 - Goblin's Club (Studio) - Week 55 - Oasis (Soundtrack) - Week 56 - Tournado (Live) - Week 57 - Timesquare (Dream Mixes II) (Studio) - Week 58 - The Keep (Soundtrack) - Lim Ed so should this be discussed? - Week 59 - Ambient Monkeys (Studio) - Week 60 - Dream Encores (Live) - Week 61 - Hollywood Years (Vol 1) (Studio) - Week 62 - Hollywood Years (Vol 2) (Studio) - Week 63 - Quinoa (Extended) (Studio) - Week 64 - Transsiberia (Soundtrack) - Week 65 - Valentine Wheels (Live) - Week 66 - Sohoman (Live) - Week 67 - What A Blast (Soundtrack) - Week 68 - Mars Polaris (Studio) - Week 69 - and subsequent... any released material between now and then. Please study this list and post any comments or suggestions... Thanks, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18676 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Jens Peschke Wed 10/27/1999 2 KB 18683 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Jared White Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB 18692 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Gabe Yedid Thu 10/28/1999 2 KB 18700 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Lawry Simm Thu 10/28/1999 2 KB 18704 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Tony Walsh Fri 10/29/1999 1 KB 18724 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Lawry Simm Sat 10/30/1999 1 KB 18726 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Antonio Nunes Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18780 Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Lawry Simm Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? > From: Owens James > I don't know much about English geography. Is Coventry a town/region or > just the cathedral. Coventry is a City.. >If it's a town, than it's certainly possible that TD > wcould have played in the town in April (but not in the cathedral) then > played the cathedral in October. It doesn't make sense that they would do 1 > concert at RAH in April, then leave without doing any other concerts until > October! Except for extra special concerts like Osanbrueck 99, Poland 83, > Athens 84, L.A. 95, and East Berlin 80, they didn't do this., which makes me > think that there were 2 tours. Hmm, i clearly remember the whole of Ricochet being played live inside a cathedral, did anyone else see this Concert on BBC TV back in the 70's Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:48 pm Subject: Re: 'Don't mention the war!' ;-) In a message dated 10/27/99 8:26:13 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jpeschke@h... writes: << > OOPS !!! Who mentioned the War ???? Right! Psst. 'Don't mention the war!' (*) >> * Isn't that from an episode of Fawlty Towers with John Cleese? Poly From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:47 pm Subject: Re: 'Don't mention the war!' ;-) > * Isn't that from an episode of Fawlty Towers with John Cleese? Tch! Cuh! Right, right, here's the plan. I'll stand there and ask them if they want something to drink before the war...before their lunch...don't mention the war! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) > From: 'Lawry Simm' > Remember, I'm aiming at recording dates rather than release dates > wherever possible, so as to better represent the chronological > development of TD. Good idea. > - Week 32 - Deadly Care (Soundtrack) > - Week 34 - Three O'clock High (Soundtrack) > - Week 35 - Near Dark (Soundtrack) > - Week 36 - Shy People (Soundtrack) > - Week 37 - Dead Solid Perfect (Soundtrack) > - Week 42 - Catch Me If You Can (Soundtrack) > - Week 43 - Destination Berlin (Soundtrack) Do those really deserve a full week of discussion each ? Why not putting two of each into one week ? > - Week 44 - The Man Inside (L'Affaire Walraff) (Soundtrack) - Is > this too rare to include? Nope. It should be discussed in half a week, IMO. > - Week 50 - Tangents (Disc 5 Only) (Studio) - Should this be here? I > think so as it is in effect an album in it's own right... I agree. This is truly worth being discussed, IMO. > - Week 52 - The Dream Mixes (Studio) - new versions of old tracks... > should this be included? Why not ? > - Week 58 - The Keep (Soundtrack) - Lim Ed so should this be > discussed? I have one of those on sale. Discuss it !!! ;-) > - Week 61 - Hollywood Years (Vol 1) (Studio) > - Week 62 - Hollywood Years (Vol 2) (Studio) Yikes! I still have those - they made me stop buying TD CDs. I still blame Edgar & company for calling them Hollywood years - fooling customers - as E&J never ever worked for Hollywood and there's no Franke/Schmoelling bit in it as the title suggests. > Please study this list and post any comments or suggestions... I guess I already did.. Best Regards and keep on the good work, Lawry. :-) Jens From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet video thingy In a message dated 10/27/99 8:38:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Nicad@c... writes: << Hmm, i clearly remember the whole of Ricochet being played live inside a cathedral, did anyone else see this Concert on BBC TV back in the 70's Nick >> *I saw an unbelievably crappy video of it, so I know it exists. It seemed like it was the twentieth generation of dupes. You could barely make out ANYTHING at some points, at other points it was better, and I remember candles burning, and it seemed to me that they were just miming to backup tapes. There was one point where they had a closeup of Edgars hands for several seconds, and his hands were floating ABOVE the keyboards... I remember someone who was there yelling out 'Well, play something already'!! I came away with the impression that it was a promo of some sorts. (The tape also had a jam session with Michel Huygen and Ashra)!! Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18680 Re: Ricochet video thingy Owens James Wed 10/27/1999 1 KB From: Owens James Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 9:00 pm Subject: RE: Next week's discussion I thought we were just doing studio albums and not soundtracks or live. Of course since we just did Ricochet, I guess that blows that theory. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [SMTP:lawrysimm@u...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:04 PM > To: Tadream Mailing List > Subject: [tadream] Next week's discussion > > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > > Cant wait for Stratosfear next week - my fav of all time!! > > Sorry to disappoint you..... based on recording date, Sorcerer is next > (rec Mar/Apr 1976) followed by Stratosfear (rec Jul 1976). > > I will post the full provisional schedule later. > > Regards, > Lawry > > lawrysimm@u... > ICQ # 23267226 > Instant Messenger - lawrysimm > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Owens James Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 9:15 pm Subject: RE: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? I know the concert you are talking about. I've seen a video of it. The concert is indeed inside the cathedral. I'm not disputing that they played Coventry Cathedral in October. I'm just explaining my earlier mistake in confusing the April Coventry (city) concert with the October Coventry Cathedral concert. BTW: The BBC broadcast is basically images of Edgar, Chris, and Peter playing their respective equipment. The same sequences are looped (how fitting ;) over and over, some in slow motion. There's some neat visual effects added in between for atmosphere (they remind me of some of the Doctor Who openings...). The music is an overdub of Ricochet, or at least of a Ricochet master. There is one section where the music appears to be *slightly* different from the Ricochet album. Basically one or two notes are held a bit longer. This could be just a difference in the mixing, which lends to the idea that the music is essentially Ricochet, but it's taken from a pre-mix master tape, so is a slightly different edit from the album. James PS: Are my posts coming through in Italics? > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Adams [SMTP:Nicad@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:38 PM > To: Tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? > > From: 'Nick Adams' > > > From: Owens James > > I don't know much about English geography. Is Coventry a town/region or > > just the cathedral. > > Coventry is a City.. > > >If it's a town, than it's certainly possible that TD > > wcould have played in the town in April (but not in the cathedral) then > > played the cathedral in October. It doesn't make sense that they would > do > 1 > > concert at RAH in April, then leave without doing any other concerts > until > > October! Except for extra special concerts like Osanbrueck 99, Poland > 83, > > Athens 84, L.A. 95, and East Berlin 80, they didn't do this., which > makes > me > > think that there were 2 tours. > > Hmm, i clearly remember the whole of Ricochet being played live inside a > cathedral, did anyone else see this Concert on BBC TV back in the 70's > > Nick > > > Home Nicad@c... > Work Nick.Adams@p... > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), > send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Owens James Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 9:19 pm Subject: RE: Ricochet video thingy His hands appear to be floating because those scenes are played in slow-motion. I guess they thought it would be more 'artsy' that way. > -----Original Message----- > There was one point where they had a closeup of Edgars hands > for several seconds, and his hands were floating ABOVE the > keyboards... From: Grant M Somerville Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 12:11 am Subject: Video Hi all, Can anyone provide info on UK release date of Architecture in Motion Video? Thanks -- Grant M Somerville Looking for Live Music Recordings...try Http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed Oct 27, 1999 11:22 pm Subject: Re: Next week's discussion Uh Oh! Gotta get it out anda start a re-listening........... np: Sorcerer siberkat > From: 'Lawry Simm' > >> Cant wait for Stratosfear next week - my fav of all time!! > > Sorcerer is next From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 5:36 am Subject: RE: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) > From: 'Lawry Simm' > - Week 52 - The Dream Mixes (Studio) - new versions of old tracks... > should this be included? Heh, are you kiddin'? Seriously, DM1 is one of the best productions of the 90's, and I think a lot of long-time TD fans who may not be, uh, totally impressed by some of TD's more recent output would agree with me. I also think Jens is right, in that devoting whole weeks to rather obsure TD soundtracks seems a bit too much. The 2 soundtracks in a week idea sounds good to me. What do you all think? Anyway, we're having fun -- keep those discussions rolling! Take care, Jared From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 6:42 am Subject: Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? > From: Owens James > > I know the concert you are talking about. I've seen a video of it. The > concert is indeed inside the cathedral. I'm not disputing that they played > Coventry Cathedral in October. Yeh, i know you weren't, :-) I was trying to say that my copy of the Coventry Cathedral concert which is from october, is / was different to the music i heard on the video from the supposedly same venue. it could be as Paul Suggested they were miming, but, hmm i don't know.......this is too heavy, i'm going to work.!! Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 5:50 am Subject: D:[Live] Ricochet OK, here's my review of Ricochet: Ricochet rocks! Thanks, Thomas PS. Have no time for internet activity, but thought at least I'd express my feelings... From: Christopher Robbin From: 'Simon Slator' From: horrod6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 10:49 am Subject: D: Live (Ricochet) I can't really improve on Thomas' contribution! I particularly like the 'sequencer-heavy' material, probably because this is typical of the period when I was first getting into TD. So of course, I love this one. Ricochet remains high on my list of frequently played stuff. LnH Marion From: Christian Villazón From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Kevin Earley' From: 'Nick Adams' > >> From: Owens James >> >> MY BAD! My concert list has 2 shows at Conventry: one in April 2 days after >> RAH, and one in October, EXACTLY 6 months later. Did they tour the UK >> twice? I'm beginning to wonder how accurate my dates are... >> >> Anyway, that makes more sense. >> > >Just to add my 2 cents worth to this conversation, I remember watching a >video on BBC 2 in about 77 or 78 of what i remember as the Coventry >Cathedral Concert, and i'm sure, in fact i'm positive, they played the >*whole* >of Ricochet live, i also have the Coventry gig on CD-R and it is *not* the >whole of the Ricochet album, my information states that they only did one >Concert at Coventry Cathedral and that was on 4/10/75, so this is a bit of >a puzzle, Could there have been 2 Coventry gigs ?. Maybe our resident >TDI Expert Martin Kay could shed some light on this one ? I would suggest that the format of the date 4/10/75 has been misread. Is it in Month/Day/year or Day/Month/Year format. Kevin Earley kearley@r... PS. Coventry is a city because it has a cathedral. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18696 Re: Coventry '75 Owens James Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB 18710 Coventry '75 twosheds Fri 10/29/1999 1 KB 18737 Re: Coventry '75 Owens James Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18744 Re: Coventry '75 Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18746 Re: Coventry '75 Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18747 Re: Coventry '75 Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > > - Week 61 - Hollywood Years (Vol 1) (Studio) > > - Week 62 - Hollywood Years (Vol 2) (Studio) > > Yikes! I still have those - they made me stop buying TD CDs. > I still blame Edgar & company for calling them Hollywood years - > fooling customers - as E&J never ever worked for Hollywood > and there's no Franke/Schmoelling bit in it as the title suggests. I wouldn't totally agree with that. I've only got _HY1_, but there are at least 2 tracks ( ;) ) on it that feature wht I'd say is material from the Franke/Schmoelling era--'Goldhunter' has the Swamp Hag sequence from _Legend_, and 'Chronos Mile' is, IMO, structured rather similarly to the 80s renditions of 'Silver Scale', even though the instrumentation is completely reworked. 'South Camora' from vol. 2 is Logos-era material. If anything, I'd say there are clear cases of them passing off '80s material under their names! In principle, I agree with the sentiment, for the same reason I came down so hard on _Sohoman_, an album which I still refuse to buy no matter how improved (or not) it may be. Most of the time, I like what TD does as musicians and composers. I do NOT agree with how they operate as a *business*. > Jens Gabe From: 'Marcel Engels' From: 'Nick Adams' > > Hmm, i clearly remember the whole of Ricochet being played live inside a > cathedral, did anyone else see this Concert on BBC TV back in the 70's Well, not in the 70s...but gladly I have an okay copy of it! I would love to see more though. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Radu Velicescu > > Much of it was bombed in November 1940 by the Luftwaffe, including the > cathedral. What TD played in is most likely the new cathedral, as only > the tower and some ruins remain of the old one. The recording of it is > pretty bad to do it justice, but then again, I'm walking on sacred ground > here... Btw: there are some superb pictures in an old Rolling Stone magazine of TD in Coventry (or was it Reims I can't remember)... I just bought that magazine for those 2 or 3 photos alone...I wonder what nice pictures they've made more. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... (I don't have time to scan these...maybe next week or so) From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: Owens James Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 6:54 pm Subject: RE: Coventry '75 It's not a date problem. The list I was reading is in the European date format (US military uses this format as well) day/month/year. It lists 2 Coventry concerts: 4/4/75 (April 4th) 4/10/75 (October 4th) James > -----Original Message----- > > I would suggest that the format of the date 4/10/75 has been misread. Is > it in Month/Day/year or > Day/Month/Year format. > > Kevin Earley > kearley@r... > > PS. Coventry is a city because it has a cathedral. > From: Owens James Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 7:02 pm Subject: RE: Mystery Tracks My copy is exactly the same. James > -----Original Message----- > I have this TD CD called Mystery Tracks on the front cover, and the print > on the actual CD says Collected Tunes. I understand this is one of them > 'imports', but I wonder if its supposed to be like this or of my copy is a > mispressing of some sort. > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Next Week's Discussion > I thought we were just doing studio albums and not soundtracks or live. Of > course since we just did Ricochet, I guess that blows that theory. > James Well, that was my original plan, but a few people managed to persuade me to cover all official releases in chronological order, and on reflection I tended to agree. Especially as many of the live albums are studio composites, and of course the soundtracks are all recorded in a studio! :-) Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 10:03 pm Subject: Re: Is Coventry a town or just a cathedral? > Yeh, i know you weren't, :-) I was trying to say that my copy of the > Coventry Cathedral concert which is from october, is / was different to the > music i heard on the video from the supposedly same venue. it could be as > Nick As far as I know, the BBC broadcast was merely a playing of the Ricochet album along with concert footage, as opposed to an actual concert recording. Also, to answer a question posed by someone else.. yes there were _two_ tours in 1975.. the Australian tour which ran from March 13 - March 26, and was topped off with a concert at the Royal Albert Hall on April 2, then they played in Munich on 25th April, and then played The Orange Theatre in Paris on Aug 16th as a warm up to the European tour which ran from 14th Sep - Oct 29th. They played in Coventry again (not the cathedral) in November 1976 as part of the Stratosfear tour. One reason I find many concerts apparently happening on more than one date, is the difference in USA and European date representation. E.g. Coventry Cathedral was on 4/10/75 (i.e. 4th Oct ) which is represented in the US by 10/4/75 (which to us appears to be 10th April). Perhaps this is where the confusion lies??? Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 10:04 pm Subject: Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) >> - Week 52 - The Dream Mixes (Studio) - new versions of old tracks... >> should this be included >Heh, are you kiddin'? Seriously, DM1 is one of the best productions of the >90's, and I think a lot of long-time TD fans who may not be, uh, totally >impressed by some of TD's more recent output would agree with me. I agree... DM is one of my top 10 TD albums... my concern was that all of the music had appeared on previous albums... though I suppose the new treatment warrants it's own discussion (seeing as nearly all of them are better than the original versions! :-) ) > I also think Jens is right, in that devoting whole weeks to rather obscure TD > soundtracks seems a bit too much. The 2 soundtracks in a week idea sounds > good to me. What do you all think? I personally think that the totally original soundtracks (such as Sorcerer next week) do warrant a full week, but I also think that some of the soundtracks, especially those that are just cues of music or reworks of old tracks could be doubled up to two a week. I'll try and condense albums that are pretty much adjacent to each other chronologically... e.g. > - Week 36 - Shy People (Soundtrack) > - Week 37 - Dead Solid Perfect (Soundtrack) become one week... and > - Week 42 - Catch Me If You Can (Soundtrack) > - Week 43 - Destination Berlin (Soundtrack) become another week etc as recommended by Jens. Any one else care to chip in? Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'twosheds' Date: Thu Oct 28, 1999 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Coventry Cathedral performance >My understanding of the issue was that the BBC >simply took Ricochet and dubbed it over the video >of the performance, instead of using the actual >music that was played on that occasion (at least, >that's how Scott Plumer described it). Someone >else has, however, pointed out that it's a >slightly different mix, so maybe the group felt >the actual performance wasn't good enough to air, >and it was decided to best way to get around >airing what they felt was an inferior performance >was to just dub something else over. > I don't have Ricochet's every note memorized, but it sure sounds like Ricochet. I doubt that TD would have wanted them to dub over the original music. At least, I HOPE they wouldn't have wanted that, but with as wacky as Ed can be sometimes, who knows? Perhaps that's a question we should ask of him. Scott From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Two Tangerine Dream Lists? Why? Arggggghhhhh! I am getting really fed up with having to delete 90% of the messages from not one but *two* Tangerine Dream lists. Due to my mailbox getting filled to bursting too often due to my being subscribed to other lists, I have only one choice, and that's to dump one of my Tangerine Dream-related OneList subscriptions. The question is, which one? Is one a moderated one that kisses Ed's keister re playing nice- nice with the boot issue, while the other allows for rampant flames? If so, please tell me which is which. I can't tell by the explanation/ description at the OneList site. Basically, I'm asking -- which is the list I can't live without, and which is the one that's just window dressing? 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New CD with Vangelis 'Reprise 1990-1999', sounds like a compilation, anyone got more info ? Mats, Sweden np : Vivaldi : Gloria Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18706 Re: Vangelis Edom Yannick Fri 10/29/1999 1 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 8:10 am Subject: Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) Lawry Simm wrote on 27/10/99 21:35: >From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Conversely, >should I have omitted >something you think >should be in the list (e.g. >compilations with unreleased >material etc) >let's discuss is. > >Please study this list and >post any comments or >suggestions... > >Thanks, >Lawry > Hi all, A couple of things: Lily on the Beach? The Private Music of Tangerine Dream (2 unreleased tracks). Underwater Sunlight - this wasn't a soundtrack was it? Otherwise an impressive list - a lot of work has gone into this, Respect! Tony. From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 8:53 am Subject: Deleting messages / Album Discussions I don't have this problem as I get all messages from tadream@o... archived into one, single, message delivered daily to my inbox. I think it has something to do with one of the options you choose when you sign up. I'm also a member of app@r... (the Alan Parsons equivalent to this mailing list) and my mailbox constantly gets bombarded with messages - most of which I don't read - because it doesn't have that option. Regarding the weekly album discussions, I think all Tangerine Dream albums - be they live, studio or soundtrack should get at least half a week. Obviously, major releases like 'Ricochet' and 'Stratosfear' warrant full weeks because, let's face it, they are just soooo good! But then again, there's the fact that TaDream have released so many albums, it's going to take almost a year for us to discuss every last one.... and who here owns every TaDream album in existance? One thing's for sure - I don't. I only own between 16-20 of them! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18919 Re: Deleting messages / Album Discussions tom george Sat 11/6/1999 1 KB From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 10:02 am Subject: Re: Vangelis Hi everyone >From: Mats Nordlinder > >Hejsan ! > >New CD with Vangelis 'Reprise 1990-1999', sounds like a compilation, >anyone got more info ? > >Mats, Sweden > The new Vangelis is a compilation CD like 'portrait'. It contains tracks from various 90's albums and two unreleased tracks 'Bitter Moon' and 'The Plague' slightly different (remixes) than the original titles as heard in the films. Best wishes NP : 'Manhunter' CDR boot (19 tracks - complete soundtrack) Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Grant M Somerville Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Re: Coventry Cathedral performance > < At least, I HOPE they wouldn't have wanted that, but with as wacky as > > Scott > Talking of which, are we still looking for questions for Edgar Interview?? If so, I would be interested in hearing what he has to say about including multimedia on future releases. Kind Regards all. -- Grant M Somerville My little homepage... Looking for Live Music Recordings...try Http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 4:12 pm Subject: Interview questions - deadline Nov 5. Yes! thanks for bringing it up. We are about ready to close out the 'Ask TD' interview questions, so if you have any last minute additions to the questions at http://tadream.copfer.com/interv.htm, please post them now, with the word 'interview' in the subject line. This is not necessarily the last time we will do this, but if you have a question for Edgar or Jerome, best to get it in now. I'm sure many new questions for the next interview will pop up as we continue through the D: discussions. Let's set a deadline for next Friday, November 5. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant M Somerville [mailto:Grant.Somerville@V...] ... > Talking of which, are we still looking for questions for Edgar Interview?? > If so, I would be interested in hearing what he has to say about > including multimedia on future releases. From: Grant M Somerville Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 3:03 pm Subject: Re: Two Tangerine Dream Lists? Why? Steven Feldman wrote: > From: Steven Feldman > > < Arggggghhhhh! I am getting really fed up with having to delete...etc, etc, > > > Hi all Both lists do different things for different people.Of course there is bound to be crossover, but (IMHO) I read and gain information from both. Kind Regards -- Grant M Somerville Looking for Live Music Recordings...try Http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html From: 'twosheds' Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 6:58 pm Subject: Coventry '75 Consult the book of armaments! :-) According to Mysterious Semblance, which, as we all know, is the definitive listing of all TD minutiae, there was no Coventry show in April '75. They played the Albert Hall on April 2 with Hoenig, then toured the uK in the Fall. They played Coventry October 4. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18737 Re: Coventry '75 Owens James Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18744 Re: Coventry '75 Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18746 Re: Coventry '75 Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18747 Re: Coventry '75 Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 9:40 pm Subject: RE: Two Tangerine Dream Lists? Why? Your choice. but to clarify (again), this list (tadream) started out with boots as a taboo. this is no longer the case. discussion of boots is encourgaged, as they are an integral part of the fan experience, and are not really offensive to Ed's kiester (>>lips puckered smacking sound<<). but conducting the activity of trading them on the list is not OK. Joel is not only a moderator of the [tadream] list, but set up the [tangerinedream] list as an outlet for this purpose, or as I understand it, just for anybody that doesn't like the idea that moderators will step in if needed. I don't know what to say about the issue of cross-posting, other than I suppose people do it to try to reach the largest audience possible. But most of what gets cross-posted is wholly appropriate for this list. Look at Craig's post 'My Intro' on 10/28. That is the perfect use of [tangerinedream], as I understand it. (Joel correct me ifI'm wrong about any of this). -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:AR402004@B...] > Basically, I'm asking -- which is the list I can't live without, > and which is the one that's just window dressing? From: EFroese@w... (Edgar Froese) Date: Fri Oct 29, 1999 10:36 pm Subject: Ultimate DVD Hello all, I saw an magazine advertisement for 3 DVD's by Unapix Home Entertainment. They are individually titled Silver, Gold and Platinum and are part of The Ultimate DVD Collection. It briefly mentions that the sights and sounds of several bands, including Tangerine Dream are featured. Any ideas what this is. It looks as if it might be demo discs for video stores to play to demonstrate their DVD players There's no mention of song titles, etc. Steve. From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' Date: Sat Oct 30, 1999 1:02 am Subject: SV: Mystery Tracks Hey, Its probably correct, then. glenn -----Opprinnelig melding----- >From: Owens James > >My copy is exactly the same. > >James > >> -----Original Message----- >> I have this TD CD called Mystery Tracks on the front cover, and the print >> on the actual CD says Collected Tunes. I understand this is one of them >> 'imports', but I wonder if its supposed to be like this or of my copy is a >> mispressing of some sort. From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' Date: Sat Oct 30, 1999 1:05 am Subject: Tangents price Hey, I am thinking about maybe selling the Tangents box set. Its in 'very good' condition outside, 'mint' inside. Booklet almost never read. What would an item like that be worth? Thanks for reading, glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18722 Re: Tangents price Gustavo Jobim Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18723 Re: Tangents price TOMX01@xxx.xxx Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18739 Re: Tangents price Owens James Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18745 Re: Tangents price Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18748 Re: Tangents price EMC Holland Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18752 Re: Tangents price Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18813 Re: Tangents price Carlos M. Villa Wed 11/3/1999 1 KB From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sat Oct 30, 1999 1:36 am Subject: Address change Hey there all. Wanted to drop a QUICK note to anyone who happens to have my AOL address. Effective immediately, I have DROPPED this address permanently (was a bit stupid on my part to pay any money for the services I wasn't using regularly), so that address NO LONGER works. Please stop using it effective as of today (yesterday actually, so you might get some bounced mail) I AM always using kayleigh@m... but have activated a BRAND NEW address as well, if you want to send anything there (NO JUNK MAIL, if I get this stuff I will filter it immediately). Send it to tootiehoot2@n... thanks. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Great White/Poison/Online Mailing Lists ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Yahoo Messenger Name kayleigh_tootiehoot From: 'Beuthe, Thomas' Date: Sat Oct 30, 1999 5:30 am Subject: Phaedra: it the one that did it for me... It's been a long time since I officially posted something, but the discussion of Phaedra brought me out of the woodwork again. (Be honest now, anyone recognize my name?) It was the summer of, what was it now, 1976? I think so. The place: Berlin. The wall was still solidly up. The connection: my cousins in Berlin. The albums: Phaedra (TD), and Timewind (KS). That's what did it for me. If you ask my cousins now: they scoff. I think they are wrong. Hope I never get that involved with life that I forget about music. We're only here for a brief instant. Might as well make it worth while. :-) All the best! tgb From: Mario Pacheco Date: Sat Oct 30, 1999 7:07 am Subject: TD videos video for sale If you are interested please check http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/10652842 There are also other related cds for sale. Thanks. ===== From: 'kayleigh' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Oct 30, 1999 8:28 pm Subject: Re: Jocelyn B. Smith In a message dated 10/30/99 7:54:06 PM !!!First Boot!!!, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: << here's something for all you 'Tyger' fans out there..... * Actually that little anecdote also works pretty good for those of us who aren't exactly fans of Tyger. Poly From: Gustavo Jobim From: Sean Montgomery >> * Isn't that from an episode of Fawlty Towers with John Cleese? > >Tch! Cuh! > >Right, right, here's the plan. I'll stand there and ask them if they want >something to drink before the war...before their lunch...don't mention >the war! gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Simon Slator' who here owns every TaDream album in existance? One thing's for sure - I don't. I only own between 16-20 of them! gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18735 Re: album owners' numbers Re: Deleting messages / EMC Holland Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18740 Re: album owners' numbers Re: Deleting messages / Owens James Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' >Hey, >I am thinking about maybe selling the Tangents box set. Its in 'very good' condition outside, 'mint' inside. Booklet almost never read. >What would an item like that be worth? >Thanks for reading, >glenn gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: TOMX01@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 7:03 am Subject: Re: Tangents price I would probably go $30 plus shipping =) Tom (Melrose) NP: Mike Oldfield - Guitars From: 'Lawry Simm' A couple of things: > Lily on the Beach? That's in there.... Week 41 > The Private Music of Tangerine Dream (2 unreleased tracks). Perhaps we should add the bonus tracks from compilations together and discuss these one-offs all together in one week? > Underwater Sunlight - this wasn't a soundtrack was it? No, it was a studio album... well spotted Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 12:21 pm Subject: Re: Discussion Weeks (Provisional Schedule) 'Lawry Simm' wrote: > > Underwater Sunlight - this wasn't a soundtrack was it? > > No, it was a studio album... well spotted Lawry, how could you forget this one? Does Song_Of_The_Whale_Pt1.mid say anything to you? ;-) Antonio From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' From: TOMX01@a... >I would probably go $30 plus shipping =) Tom and Gustavo, I was more looking for the value of the set, or what price YOU would have liked to get for it if you were going to sell it. Considering what I payed for it in 100% new condition 2 years ago, 30 bucks is nowere near my asking price. (I am not beeing greedy, just trying to recoup most of the costs.) kind regards, glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18728 Re: SV: Tangents price Gustavo Jobim Sun 10/31/1999 2 KB 18742 SV: Tangents price Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN) Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 3:01 pm Subject: Re: SV: Tangents price I think we both were kidding (see Tom's emoticon). At least I was... heh Seriously, I would give you something between 50 and 60 USD for it. I think that's a good price. Unfortunately, I don't have the money.. I prefer to save it to finish my JMJ collection and buy more TD studio and live CDs. :) >From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' >>From: TOMX01@a... >>I would probably go $30 plus shipping =) >Tom and Gustavo, > >I was more looking for the value of the set, or what price YOU would have liked to get for it if you were going to sell it. Considering what I payed for it in 100% new condition 2 years ago, 30 bucks is nowere near my asking price. (I am not beeing greedy, just trying to recoup most of the costs.) > >kind regards, >glenn gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: AslanFan1@a... Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 258 I think I have every TD release. Or had. I've let go of a couple stinkers, like the first couple of albums and TOURNADO. TD makes it very difficult to be a complete collector with its constant re-releases and new covers. In a message dated 10/31/99 5:32:28 AM, tadream@o... writes: << and I have 7. - 5 cds, 2 lps anybody can beat that? >From: 'Simon Slator' who here owns every TaDream album in existance? One thing's for sure - I don't. I only own between 16-20 of them! >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18730 Re: Digest Number 258 Gustavo Jobim Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB 18731 Re: Digest Number 258 Jens Peschke Sun 10/31/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 3:25 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 258 I meant beat that inversely; anyone has less TD albums than I do?? >>From: AslanFan1@a... >>I think I have every TD release. Or had. I've let go of a couple stinkers, >>like the first couple of albums and TOURNADO. TD makes it very difficult to >>be a complete collector with its constant re-releases and new covers. >and I have 7. - 5 cds, 2 lps > >anybody can beat that? >(gustavojobim) gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 258 > From: Gustavo Jobim > > I meant beat that inversely; anyone has less TD albums than I do?? Yes, my wife has less. ;-) Jens From: PNaunton@a... Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 4:24 pm Subject: Re: Two Tangerine Dream Lists? Why? In a message dated 28-10-1999 10:56:45 PM EST, AR402004@B... writes: << Basically, I'm asking -- which is the list I can't live without, and which is the one that's just window dressing? >> Why don't you go into digest mode on one or the other or both? Phil N. From: Carlo Ruggiero Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 6:07 pm Subject: Re: More from Can Atilla Hi gang, Speaking of Can Atilla, does anyone have the CD-R of WAVES ON WHEELS? I enjoyed Ave and have heard a one-minute excerpt from a track called Omega Gate from the above mentioned CD-R. Please contact me off-list to let me know and maybe we can arrange a trade. Thanks, Carlo cruggiero@s... From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 7:12 pm Subject: RE: new covers I had a chance to see the INSIDE covers of the newest TDI releases, and they are different too. Lots of photos that didn't appear on the original releases... > -----Original Message----- > From: AslanFan1@a... [mailto:AslanFan1@a...] > TD makes it very > difficult to > be a complete collector with its constant re-releases and new covers. > > From: EMC Holland Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 7:30 pm Subject: Re: album owners' numbers Re: Deleting messages / Album Discussions At 02:26 31-10-99 -0200, you wrote: >From: Gustavo Jobim > >and I have 7. - 5 cds, 2 lps >anybody can beat that? > >>From: 'Simon Slator' > >who here owns every TaDream album in existance? One thing's for sure - I >don't. I only own between 16-20 of them! Not counting singles, bootlegs and different covers I think I own them all. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 3:58 pm Subject: point of nettiquitte (was Re: Digest Number xxx) It would be nice if those who receive the digests and reply to a specific email would take the extra few seconds to change the 'Subject:' to the real title of the specific email they're commenting upon, otherwise the 'Re: [tadream] Digest Number xxx' appears leaving absolutely no clue as to what the content of the message is. I personally have ~100+ emails *per weekday* from the various lists I have subscribed to, and with such vague and useless subject headers which I may or may not delete unread, I may be unintentionally be giving short shrift to those who may have something smart/witty/informative to say Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: Owens James Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 9:09 pm Subject: RE: Coventry '75 Then I stand corrected. One of these days, I'll break down and buy Mysterious Semblence... Thanks Scott and Scott. James The number of the counting shall be 3. Thou shalt not count to 4, niether shalt thou count to 2 lest thou continuest on to 3. 5 is right out. > -----Original Message----- > Consult the book of armaments! :-) > > According to Mysterious Semblance, which, as we all know, is the > definitive > listing of all TD minutiae, there was no Coventry show in April '75. They > played the Albert Hall on April 2 with Hoenig, then toured the uK in the > Fall. They played Coventry October 4. > > Scott > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 9:23 pm Subject: New Email address Hello everybody, my nice, short, old Email address of klaus@i... soon will be no more. Time to make the change, I'm already subscribed here under my new identity as klaus@c... My homepage will move soon as well. Stay tuned. cheers klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 From: Owens James Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 10:06 pm Subject: RE: Tangents price Glenn, I can buy them used here in the US for $45-$50. James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' > > I was more looking for the value of the set, or what price YOU would have > liked to get for it if you were going to sell it. Considering what I payed > for it in 100% new condition 2 years ago, 30 bucks is nowere near my > asking price. (I am not beeing greedy, just trying to recoup most of the > costs.) > > kind regards, > glenn > From: Owens James Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 10:47 pm Subject: RE: album owners' numbers Re: Deleting messages / Album Discussions Not counting singles and special editions, I have them all except: the latest releases: Valentine Wheels, Sohoman, Mars Polaris, What a Blast (aka Architecture in Motion) soundtracks: Zoning, Deadly Care And the remake of Tyger and most of the compilations. James > -----Original Message----- > >who here owns every TaDream album in existance? One thing's for sure - I > >don't. I only own between 16-20 of them! > > Not counting singles, bootlegs and different covers I think I own them > all. > > All the best. > > Kees > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' Date: Sun Oct 31, 1999 9:53 pm Subject: SV: SV: Tangents price >From: Gustavo Jobim >I think we both were kidding (see Tom's emoticon). At least I was... heh >Seriously, I would give you something between 50 and 60 USD for it. I knew you were kidding (I think). 60 dollars is not a bad price. But I am not selling at the moment. >Unfortunately, I don't have the money.. I prefer to >save it to finish my JMJ collection You want to 'finish' your JMJ collection as in 'completing' it? OK, see you in 30 years when you're finished collecting. :-))) Seriously, I know what you mean, Gustavo! kind regards, glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18743 Re: SV: SV: Tangents price TOMX01@a... Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 12:21 am Subject: SV: Tangents price >From: Owens James >I can buy them used here in the US for $45-$50. OK, thats interesting. So I gather the set is not rare, then? glenn From: TOMX01@a... Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 12:35 am Subject: Re: SV: SV: Tangents price I think $60 sounds about right, and you also have to bear in mind that it is a deleted item without any sign of it being re-issued. I still have one order which is allegedly shipable but that remains to be seen. Tom (Melrose) NP. Sohoman (Not being the Larry Flynt of bootlegs, I am actually very happy with this purchase) =) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 12:54 am Subject: RE: Coventry '75 What's this?!? >The number of the counting shall be 3. >Thou shalt not count to 4, niether shalt thou count to 2 lest thou >continuest on to 3. >5 is right out. gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Owens James Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 12:59 am Subject: RE: Tangents price It's not escpecially rare here in the US. It's still very nice and quite pricey. The best NEW price I can find is $56. I only count places that claim to have the set in stock. I found 2 places on the net, one selling for $56, the other $62. I have seen it physically in a used CD store in Little Rock AR for $45. Should have bought it, but I haven't really had the spare cash to do that. James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' > > >From: Owens James > > >I can buy them used here in the US for $45-$50. > > OK, thats interesting. So I gather the set is not rare, then? > From: Owens James Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 1:03 am Subject: RE: Coventry '75 Sorry. This was another of my lame attempts to be funny. Allow me to explain: Scott said: 'Consulting the book of armaments' which is a reference to 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' (more British comedy...). In the movie the Knights of the round table call for the Holy Hand-grenade. The priests come out and 'read from the Book of Armemants'. The quote below is an excerpt from what the priest reads. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > From: Gustavo Jobim > > What's this?!? > > > >The number of the counting shall be 3. > >Thou shalt not count to 4, niether shalt thou count to 2 lest thou > >continuest on to 3. > >5 is right out. > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 1:15 am Subject: RE: Coventry '75 Well, comedy is my favorite literature/movie/tv genre, but i've never seen anything related to monty python... how could I know.AND, as i've said before, i really like british comedy in particular. i realy miss the fast show, french and saunders, the black adder, fawlty towers, a bit of fry and laurie, etc. 'butros butros ghali. butros butros ghali.' (fast show, channel 9) >From: Owens James > >Sorry. This was another of my lame attempts to be funny. Allow me to >explain: >Scott said: > >'Consulting the book of armaments' which is a reference to 'Monty Python >and the Holy Grail' (more British comedy...). In the movie the Knights of >the round table call for the Holy Hand-grenade. The priests come out and >'read from the Book of Armemants'. The quote below is an excerpt from what >the priest reads. > >James > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gustavo Jobim [SMTP:gustavfj@m...] >> From: Gustavo Jobim >> >> What's this?!? >> >> >> >The number of the counting shall be 3. >> >Thou shalt not count to 4, niether shalt thou count to 2 lest thou >> >continuest on to 3. >> >5 is right out. >> > >>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > gfj. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: EMC Holland Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 12:05 pm Subject: RE: Tangents price At 18:59 31-10-99 -0600, you wrote: >From: Owens James > >It's not escpecially rare here in the US. It's still very nice and quite >pricey. The best NEW price I can find is $56. I only count places that >claim to have the set in stock. I found 2 places on the net, one selling >for $56, the other $62. But have you asked if they got it. >I have seen it physically in a used CD store in Little Rock AR for $45. >Should have bought it, but I haven't really had the spare cash to do that. Great price. If I were you I would buy 3 copies. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Gustavo Jobim From: Grant M Somerville From: Gustavo Jobim > > Well, comedy is my favorite literature/movie/tv genre, but i've never seen > anything related to monty python... how could I know.AND, as i've said > before, i really like british comedy in particular. i realy miss the fast > show, french and saunders, the black adder, fawlty towers, a bit of fry and > laurie, etc. > > 'butros butros ghali. butros butros ghali.' (fast show, channel 9) > > >From: Owens James > > > >Sorry. This was another of my lame attempts to be funny. Allow me to > >explain: > >Scott said: > > > >'Consulting the book of armaments' which is a reference to 'Monty Python > >and the Holy Grail' (more British comedy...). In the movie the Knights of > >the round table call for the Holy Hand-grenade. The priests come out and > >'read from the Book of Armemants'. The quote below is an excerpt from what > >the priest reads. > > > >James > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gustavo Jobim [SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > >> From: Gustavo Jobim > >> > >> What's this?!? > >> > >> > >> >The number of the counting shall be 3. > >> >Thou shalt not count to 4, niether shalt thou count to 2 lest thou > >> >continuest on to 3. > >> >5 is right out. > >> > > > > > > > > > gfj. > > Gustavo Ferreira Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavfj@n... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > I take it Gustavo, that your weather is generally 'scorchio!!' (Fast Show) Kind Regards, > -- Grant M Somerville Looking for Live Music Recordings...try Http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html